Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Jamiet99uk]

I mean this with the utmost seriousness.

Jamie, bob if there is any remote chance you are town, stop. We simply cannot afford to have a bunch of people trolling and getting themselves killed.

You know, "utmost" is a funny word.

I have long thought that if utmost is a word, "utleast" should be, too.

You know as in "Donald Trump does his utleast to be a decent human being."

[brainbomb]

I mean this with the utmost seriousness.

Jamie, bob if there is any remote chance you are town, stop. We simply cannot afford to have a bunch of people trolling and getting themselves killed.

Sorry, I was already behind during the claim analysis yesterday so now that the day got hammered I am almost completely lost, and I don't even know where to start looking to get back into this. It doesn't help my willpower when almost all the discussion is focused on conflicting mech solves.

im right here, researching, hunting, reviewing. there is plenty im doing to change that so feel free to do what im doing, or enagage with my thoughts on it.

[brainbomb]

I mean this with the utmost seriousness.

Jamie, bob if there is any remote chance you are town, stop. We simply cannot afford to have a bunch of people trolling and getting themselves killed.

You know, "utmost" is a funny word.

I have long thought that if utmost is a word, "utleast" should be, too.

You know as in "Donald Trump does his utleast to be a decent human being."

This makes me think you are actually just conceding being caught scum by the mechanics.

In which case, I was right in the first place. I will say I regret some of how our dialogue went but it was very intense and interesting. Verbally sparring is probably not my strong suit as I just come off as hard to understand.
I think what drew my attention to you being scum was the moment I asked you who on the will wagon was scummy.

I made mention that you voted lfischl because you didnt want to be on that wagon.

It was a very robust dialogue and a page or two prior you mentioned that the GM added lfischl to the vote count accurately. You commended monarch for doing so.

I am happy to do that:

Diplomacy&Warfare - Null
foodcoats - Town
bozotheclown - Town
Hamilton Brian - Oh Jeebus he can't have drawn scum again, can he?
brainbomb - Lean town
babyspice666 - Yikes, why did you tie it??

Are you willing to expand on why bozo is town, and if you are saying hamilton couldnt be scum because of a gamblers fallacy? im struggling to understand what youre saying.

And then do you ascribe guilt on babyspice for attempting to tie it?

Im unclear what stances these are and why

the sarcasm shown in your answer above is where I truly began to think "he might really be scum this time around". Everything before that I was just pissed off at you and felt like you were being obnoxious and overly pedantic.

And then after this, I realized holy shit he didnt even put lfischl on this list, someone he scumreads.

And it made me realize that most of the things you were saying; you were already outted at this point. And the mech outing you wasnt even relevant. You definetely survived on reputation because people just dont like killing you.

And thats a compliment, so dont feel too down about the game or the setup. You are very good at this game.

[Chaqa]

@Brain I know it helps you, but randomly quote copying old posts with no context is really hard for us to follow. Can you consolidate them into one post, at least, and then your commentary in a followup, if not all in one?

[Chaqa]

based on the way the hammer went yesterday damo is also scum, not sure how the mech works out on that but I dont really care. Ive been scumreading damo all game and I think we should get back to playing mafia here because were getting blitzed hard by a very happy scumteam.

I would stop reading the mech posts, stop reading what roles people claim to be, and scale this back to who killed who, who said what they said, and play the actual game- because there is very much a game here being played that has nothing to do with roles or mechs at all.

Damo is confTown

[Chaqa]

Frankly given how mechanically broken this setup is (sorry GMs, but it's true), I think that within a couple of phases my team will look like this:

White Flag.jpg

This is not a commentary on any of your theories tonight because I have not been reading the thread anymore.

This falls somewhat close to the "no public concessions" rule, I would be careful.

[damo666]

@Chaqa Bozo or Sweet and who's 5th?

[brainbomb]

@Brain I know it helps you, but randomly quote copying old posts with no context is really hard for us to follow. Can you consolidate them into one post, at least, and then your commentary in a followup, if not all in one?

I think it is much better to show each, allowing each one room to be easily read and to be taken in on its own. These were various players thoughts on someone who is now a dead town and I wanted to bring these posts back for visibility.

Also, I am going to ignore any mech or mech clears during my investigations and go by what the people have said and done. I am not interested in the mech aspect of this for what I am doing. If someone I find said something scummy, and happens to be a townclear, thats fine; people get things wrong also, and I am going to cover any loose ends.

[Chaqa]

##Vote Jamie
He should definitely be the D2 kill here
By the way, has anyone seen food lately?

it's night

[Chaqa]

I mean this with the utmost seriousness.

Jamie, bob if there is any remote chance you are town, stop. We simply cannot afford to have a bunch of people trolling and getting themselves killed.

Sorry, I was already behind during the claim analysis yesterday so now that the day got hammered I am almost completely lost, and I don't even know where to start looking to get back into this. It doesn't help my willpower when almost all the discussion is focused on conflicting mech solves.

You still havent told us who you targeted or your result.

[bozotheclown]

Ok if Bozo is scum with Jam Ham Bob
then

one of baby/brain is Pollster

one of Kak/worcej is New Host

one of Kak/worcej/brain is mailman

one of baby/brain/worcej is scum [or really sneaky Kak]

I think everyone should reveal who they are going to target tonight and reveal their return asap D3. This should help finish our jigsaw puzzle.

I am targeting Frogsterking because the only thing left to resolve for me is which one of Frogsterking and Bob is the Sicko, and I suspect it is Frogsterking based on the way he jumped on your interpreted of my use of the word "assume" and has ignored my explanation.

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa Bozo or Sweet and who's 5th?

My understanding is Bozo is also confTown but Im not sure

[Chaqa]

@Brain I know it helps you, but randomly quote copying old posts with no context is really hard for us to follow. Can you consolidate them into one post, at least, and then your commentary in a followup, if not all in one?

I think it is much better to show each, allowing each one room to be easily read and to be taken in on its own. These were various players thoughts on someone who is now a dead town and I wanted to bring these posts back for visibility.

Also, I am going to ignore any mech or mech clears during my investigations and go by what the people have said and done. I am not interested in the mech aspect of this for what I am doing. If someone I find said something scummy, and happens to be a townclear, thats fine; people get things wrong also, and I am going to cover any loose ends.

If you're going to ignore mechanically clear information, I am going to ignore your posts. I see no reason to read a post where you argue damo is scum when he's conf town mechanically

[damo666]

Ok if Bozo is scum with Jam Ham Bob
then

one of baby/brain is Pollster

one of Kak/worcej is New Host

one of Kak/worcej/brain is mailman

one of baby/brain/worcej is scum [or really sneaky Kak]

I think everyone should reveal who they are going to target tonight and reveal their return asap D3. This should help finish our jigsaw puzzle.

I am targeting Frogsterking because the only thing left to resolve for me is which one of Frogsterking and Bob is the Sicko, and I suspect it is Frogsterking based on the way he jumped on your interpreted of my use of the word "assume" and has ignored my explanation.

This clinches it for me since Frog is definitely CE since nobody else can be.

Bozo is fourth man.

Fifth is baby brain worcej Kak in that order.

Kak is semi-deep could be the reason for no surrender.

Anyway, only a matter of time.

Unlucky scum, somewhat ironic that Bozo's targetplan done for you.

[Chaqa]

In Damo and Kak we trust

[damo666]

@Chaqa Bozo or Sweet and who's 5th?

My understanding is Bozo is also confTown but Im not sure

No. He reported that he received his role in additional pm thereby making me PDB but in light of sweet's claim Bozo may (perhaps probably) was notified of his mafia role and just claimed detective thereby quasi clearing worcej.

[bozotheclown]

Ok if Bozo is scum with Jam Ham Bob
then

one of baby/brain is Pollster

one of Kak/worcej is New Host

one of Kak/worcej/brain is mailman

one of baby/brain/worcej is scum [or really sneaky Kak]

I think everyone should reveal who they are going to target tonight and reveal their return asap D3. This should help finish our jigsaw puzzle.

I am targeting Frogsterking because the only thing left to resolve for me is which one of Frogsterking and Bob is the Sicko, and I suspect it is Frogsterking based on the way he jumped on your interpreted of my use of the word "assume" and has ignored my explanation.

This clinches it for me since Frog is definitely CE since nobody else can be.

Bozo is fourth man.

Fifth is baby brain worcej Kak in that order.

Kak is semi-deep could be the reason for no surrender.

Anyway, only a matter of time.

Unlucky scum, somewhat ironic that Bozo's targetplan done for you.

Did you not read my post? Frogsterking and Bob are confirmed as the Sicko and the Curfew Enforcer, but Frogsterking is not confirmed as the Curfew Enforcer.

[Frogsterking]

Bozotheclown is losing his CC battle against a confirmed liar

[bozotheclown]

@Brain I know it helps you, but randomly quote copying old posts with no context is really hard for us to follow. Can you consolidate them into one post, at least, and then your commentary in a followup, if not all in one?

I think it is much better to show each, allowing each one room to be easily read and to be taken in on its own. These were various players thoughts on someone who is now a dead town and I wanted to bring these posts back for visibility.

Also, I am going to ignore any mech or mech clears during my investigations and go by what the people have said and done. I am not interested in the mech aspect of this for what I am doing. If someone I find said something scummy, and happens to be a townclear, thats fine; people get things wrong also, and I am going to cover any loose ends.

If you're going to ignore mechanically clear information, I am going to ignore your posts. I see no reason to read a post where you argue damo is scum when he's conf town mechanically

If you read my first N2 post you will see why brainbomb is confirmed mafia as soon as I am confirmed as the Detective.

[bozotheclown]

Bozotheclown is losing his CC battle against a confirmed liar

This makes me "assume" you are sweetandcool's teammate.