Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Chaqa]

I think regardless this clears me as town?

[sweetandcool]

Actually, this will literally be entertaining if we vote me out. Okay, please hammer. You're going to love this you arrogant fools:

##VOTE sweetandcool
##END

[Chaqa]

Sweet, can you explain a bit more why you would lie about your result?

[lfischl]

the biggest hiding threat I think could be frogsterking who could be sicko who told the truth about his chaqa visit and return message (would be the same as curfew enforcer).

but I really doubt it since I townread frog.

Well, I was wrong about either jamie or sweet (currently looks like sweet is mafia ) so who knows, but if we really don't find the last mafia, we could always check frog then

If we get food sweet BK we have miskills to play with + we could have bozo scan someone if he lives

For the doc you want me to save Bozo currently?

[brainbomb]

kak, for our plan with Jamie and myself, are there mafia roles beyond just the roleblock that could mess that up in any way or anything?

[lfischl]

kak, for our plan with Jamie and myself, are there mafia roles beyond just the roleblock that could mess that up in any way or anything?

Make sure the curfew enforcer doesn’t target one of you

[sweetandcool]

Sweet, can you explain a bit more why you would lie about your result?

Because I returned possibly the best role, possibly the 2nd best role, and probably not Mail Man given the results I was seeing.

So I either was Detective or essentially Detective. Of course I would lie. Was stunned when Bozo claimed they got the role PM and decided to reveal it as Detective. (Not shedding doubt on Bozo, just stunned they would do that).

[Kakarroto]

So if Jamie is the middle manager, who are the possible people foodcoats actually visited that couldve returned that result for Jamie?

whoever food visited, was not bunny go then, so who are the people it couldve been>?

well, regarding the claims, food probably visited bob (like BK3K and D&W claimed who didn't follow the list), since D&W ALSO said the return message was Electoral Commissions Officer.

however, with what sweet just told us, there is one possibility:

mafia lied that they scanned bob, but actually scanned sweet who is ECO
that would make middle manager Jamie target food who targeted sweet

D&W would return ECO and we think it's bob, but actually it's sweet

why claiming targeting bob? maybe he is mafia and was the chosen official target but

that would explain why D&W would claim that as mafia, he gives town wrong information but can signal his mates the actual result

oh, that actually falls pretty neatly in. I deem it plausible!

[lfischl]

Sweet, can you explain a bit more why you would lie about your result?

Because I returned possibly the best role, possibly the 2nd best role, and probably not Mail Man given the results I was seeing.

So I either was Detective or essentially Detective. Of course I would lie. Was stunned when Bozo claimed they got the role PM and decided to reveal it as Detective. (Not shedding doubt on Bozo, just stunned they would do that).

Wasn’t the whole point of the coordination to mass claim and narrow the pool to as little as possible?

[Kakarroto]

sweets claim change seems more likely to be an effort to suicide and try to make foodcoats look better

well, possible, but sweets new claim checks out and makes sense. And it would confirm my townread of him, so maybe I'm a bit biased, but the logic is solid enough

[Kakarroto]

kak, for our plan with Jamie and myself, are there mafia roles beyond just the roleblock that could mess that up in any way or anything?

You are the Corrupt Cop. You investigate someone and return your target's role.

You are the Sicko. You cough on someone, forcing them to stay home and be unable to use their role. You return "success" or "faliure", as appropriate.

You are the Police Commissioner. You read reports on your target and their associates. You return the alignment of your target's target.

You are the DaDa Driver. You drive people around. You return the target of your target.

You are the E-Mail Hacker. You read someone's private information. You return a copy of your target's return

1 NK
1 RB
the rest is just info gain

[Jamiet99uk]

Im sure there is probably some way to use my role on one of the remaining scum candidates right? have me tonight visit one of them and I get to see who they targeted?

Since you are so interested in me, I am willing to volunteer to be targeted by you tonight.

I say this sincerely, I do not have any interest in you any longer. and there are much more pro town ways to use my power.

I am delighted that I have become so uninteresting.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie, why do you feel more strongly about killing sweet than killing food?

can you walk me through a scenario where food can be town here?

I think they are both scum; I am happy with either. It would be cool to get them as the two lead wagons and see what the scum team does.

Do you think I am lying about not receiving a delivery of delicious foodstuffs? I assure you, I remain hungry.

[Jamiet99uk]

Dear Lord, I realized my claim was poor after I found out the delivery gave a PM. I misread it completely. Can't believe it took so darn long for anyone to ask Jamiet, possible scum, if he got a PM.

Fine, I thought I was detective (or ECO) and thought my role was worth protecting. In hindsight, this massclaim is incredibly not fun. Instead of having a chance to play out my role as an important role, I get to be used like a disposable piece of garbage. I'm not even playing the game anymore, because instead we're just filling out a logic puzzle. I am definitely not signing up for the next game if massclaiming is a good idea for town.

Anyways, I returned "Mafia". So Jamiet, lfischl, or Food is Mafia (probably multiple).

I keep tripping up on which is possible given the information that we know, but I'm guessing I returned the alignment of Jamiet's target, which is Food.

I'm still staying on lfischl because they could be Mafia and they are acting like a total POS.

Oh.

[Kakarroto]

well, let me check what that means:

D2:
breakfast news: "success"

babyspice666 → lfischl (got JustAGuyNamedWill)
BK3K → Nephthys !!! -> did instead target bob, got SUCCESS
BobMcBob → sweetandcool
bozotheclown → worcej (got TOWN) + RECEIVED THEIR ROLE (detective)
Brainbomb → babyspice666 (got JustAGuyNamedWill)
BunnyGo → BK3K (unknown)
Chaqa → BobMcBob (said something of an odd result) (got UNDELIVERED)
Damo666 → bozotheclown (got delivered)
Diplomacy&Warfare → brainbomb !!! -> did instead target bob, got Electoral Commissions Officer
foodcoats → BunnyGo (got FAILURE)
Frogsterking → Chaqa (got SUCCESS)
Hamilton Brian → damo666 (got SUCCESS)
heartthrob24909 → Diplomacy&Warfare (got TOWN)
Jamiet99uk → foodcoats (got Electoral Commissions Officer)
Kakarroto → Frogsterking (got SUCCESS)
lfischl → Hamilton Brian (got FAILURE) !!! but brain was target not Brian due to communication with GM
Nephthys → heartthrob24909 (got Diplomacy&Warfare)
sweetandcool → Jamiet99uk (got MAFIA)
Worcej → Kakarroto (got SUCCESS)

Townroles would be this:
doctor - LFISCHL
detective - BOZO
internal affairs - HEART
private investigator - BUNNY (rip)
paper delivery boy - DAMO
ruber driver - NEPHTHYS
mail man - BRAIN
curfew enforcer - FROGSTER
human resources - JUST WILL (rip)
electoral commission officer - SWEET
middle manager - JAMIE (if food targeted bob)
news host - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO
door darter - CHAQA
pollster - BABYSPICE
lobbyist - BRIAN/WORCEJ/KAKARROTO (outside chance of BK3K)

mafia would be:
food
D&W
bob
2 out of BK3K/Brian/worcej

[sweetandcool]

Jamie, why do you feel more strongly about killing sweet than killing food?

can you walk me through a scenario where food can be town here?

I think they are both scum; I am happy with either. It would be cool to get them as the two lead wagons and see what the scum team does.

Do you think I am lying about not receiving a delivery of delicious foodstuffs? I assure you, I remain hungry.

Yeah, going to try not to spend much more time on this game, since I've been rendered obsolete.

But personally if I were Mafia then I would definitely have contested your claim that you didn't receive my delivery.

And I wouldn't have made such a brain dead claim in the first place because my scummates would have pointed out that you would expect a PM.

[Kakarroto]

yeah, that sums up my thoughts about the directed PR actions regarding fun.

Well, not the logic puzzle thing, I like some of those. They are pretty neat. But as a group effort in a command system where most just simply follow orders and give up their thinking, it's kinda not what I want from a mafia game. It just drags the fun out for most.

I DO like winning though, so I'm not completely disregarding taking part. just fyai

I want you to explain your vision of fun, Kak.

Example: tonight, you pick me. You get “Success.”

Okay, go ahead with the explanation of the fun this is for you and the other town members.

was there a successful nk? Then I know I'm not the doc
was there no nk? Chances are I AM the doc
do you claim your action didn't work? Pretty sure I'm curfew enforcer
is there no breakfast news show? I'm not the news host

nothing of the above happened? lets see if you got an increased vote. If not, I'm not the lobbyist.

so lets say there WAS an nk and you didn't claim your action didn't work. Lets also say there was a breakfast show and you were in the vote pool that had an increased vote count.

I could be curfew enforcer, news host and lobbyist. And mail man, to not forget it. Well a bit much, but lets say I target someone else and get another success.

Chances of being mail man go down.
If no claim their action was blocked, chances go down that I'm the curfew enforcer.
If breakfast news show happens and that target is ALSO is in the group of increased vote count, I'm pretty sure I'm lobbyist.

Now I can choose who I want to give increased voting power.

Looks pretty fun to me, wouldn't you say?

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Now lets compare it to the directed system:

XYZ told you to do action B. XYZ told you to report what you get. XYZ ordered you to do action C. XYZ ordered you to report what you get. XYZ commanded you to do action D. XYZ commanded you to report what you get.

WOW so much fun ... isn't it?

[damo666]

Actually, this will literally be entertaining if we vote me out. Okay, please hammer. You're going to love this you arrogant fools:

##VOTE sweetandcool
##END

@sweet if you are town please unend

everyone else please no hammers jic sweet is trying to shutdown thinktime.

[Jamiet99uk]

Alright then, back to gladiating Foodcoats.

##Vote Foodcoats.

[sweetandcool]

Wait, I keep misreading.

Only way to get alignment is Detective, ECO or Mail Man.

I'm assuming brainbomb is Mail Man and Bozo is Detective.

Then as ECO, then Jamiet's vote for lfischl makes lfischl Mafia, just as I thought.