Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[brainbomb]

we could do something like this: you scan bozo (as detective), bozo visits one candidate, lfischl (as doc) saves bozo. If mafia rb's lfischl and nk's bozo, you get bozo's detective message.

This is pretty awesome. they cant have both options, they either have to let bozo live or let bozo provide me a scan

[damo666]

@Kak what do you think of Bob not claiming anything?

I find it odd that no one else is caring about it

I've talked about it twice.

[brainbomb]

Im sure there is probably some way to use my role on one of the remaining scum candidates right? have me tonight visit one of them and I get to see who they targeted?

Since you are so interested in me, I am willing to volunteer to be targeted by you tonight.

I say this sincerely, I do not have any interest in you any longer. and there are much more pro town ways to use my power.

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa: I agree that Bob is being scummy by withholding information, but I think on the basis of Kak's detective work, it's a good idea to swing Sweetie.

Yeah, I just want to get our sacrificial ducks in a row if possible.

[Chaqa]

@Kak what do you think of Bob not claiming anything?

I find it odd that no one else is caring about it

I've talked about it twice.

Ah yeah, i see that now

[brainbomb]

Jamie, why do you feel more strongly about killing sweet than killing food?

can you walk me through a scenario where food can be town here?

[damo666]

It is possible, but it would not be very helpful. What I meant, though, was that no one gave 2 alternative results.

yeah, I know, bunny's suggestion with the 2 different results. Would've been fun, but not the road taken.

disregarding any mechanics, who do you think between Jamie, sweet and chaqa is lying mafia?

I don't think I can disregard what we know, because I believe one of Jamie/foodcoats and one of sweetandcool/Chaqa must be mafia. If sweetandcool delivered something to Jamie, he would have to be the Door-Darter, and Jamie did not claim to have receive a food message, so if sweetandcool is the Door-Darter, I think both Jamie and Chaqa are mafia. However, if Jamie's is town, then foodcoats and sweetandcool are both implicated as mafia.

to be clear are you saying either both J&C are scum or both f&s are scum?

For me it would be sweetfood.

[brainbomb]

Jesus...why BK?

why was this post made Hamilton?

[Kakarroto]

Im sure there is probably some way to use my role on one of the remaining scum candidates right? have me tonight visit one of them and I get to see who they targeted?

Since you are so interested in me, I am willing to volunteer to be targeted by you tonight.

come to think about it, if you target bozo, you act like a second detective

so if we chain bozo targeting a mafia target, jamie targeting bozo, brain targeting jamie, then we should 100% get the alignment info;

if bozo is rb'ed and jamie nk'ed, brain gets the alignment info
if bozo is rb'ed and brain nk'ed, jamie gets the alignment info

if bozo is nk'ed and jamie rb'ed, brain gets the rb info -> lfichl needs to save bozo on top
if bozo is nk'ed and brain rb'ed, jamie gets the alignment info

if jamie is rb'ed and bozo nk'ed, brain gets the rb info -> lfischl needs to save bozo on top
if jamie is rb'ed and brain nk'ed, bozo gets the alignment info

if jamie is nk'ed and bozo rb'ed, brain gets the alignment info
if jamie is nk'ed and brain rb'ed, bozo gets the alignment info

if brain is rb'ed and bozo nk'ed, jamie gets the alignment info
if brain is rb'ed and jamie nk'ed, bozo gets the alignment info

if brain is nk'ed and bozo rb'ed, jamie gets the alignment info
if brain is nk'ed and jamie rb'ed, bozo gets the alignment info

(yeah I know, multiples, but just to check EVERY possible combination)

so lfischl -> bozo;
bozo -> mafia candidate;
jamie -> bozo;
brain -> jamie

whatever happens, we get the alignment info for the mafia candidate

[brainbomb]

well that probably should be pretty game breaking for mafia, not that it wasn't already but I will go for this plan and visit Jamie then.

nice theorizing kak!

[Kakarroto]

small correction, jamie + brain would get the role information not the alignment, but that's pretty equivalent there

[Kakarroto]

we could also let our curfew enforcer visit one mafia candidate, with a good guess we could prevent the nk altogether with that

[Kakarroto]

and on top of it, the news host can scan another candidate where the ECO scans the target that voted for another mafia candidate

yeah, mafia is pretty done here, if I didn't majorly screw up my list

[sweetandcool]

Dear Lord, I realized my claim was poor after I found out the delivery gave a PM. I misread it completely. Can't believe it took so darn long for anyone to ask Jamiet, possible scum, if he got a PM.

Fine, I thought I was detective (or ECO) and thought my role was worth protecting. In hindsight, this massclaim is incredibly not fun. Instead of having a chance to play out my role as an important role, I get to be used like a disposable piece of garbage. I'm not even playing the game anymore, because instead we're just filling out a logic puzzle. I am definitely not signing up for the next game if massclaiming is a good idea for town.

Anyways, I returned "Mafia". So Jamiet, lfischl, or Food is Mafia (probably multiple).

I keep tripping up on which is possible given the information that we know, but I'm guessing I returned the alignment of Jamiet's target, which is Food.

I'm still staying on lfischl because they could be Mafia and they are acting like a total POS.

[brainbomb]

So if Jamie is the middle manager, who are the possible people foodcoats actually visited that couldve returned that result for Jamie?

whoever food visited, was not bunny go then, so who are the people it couldve been>?

[sweetandcool]

Sorry for wasting anyone's time. Particularly Kak.

[Chaqa]

Dear Lord, I realized my claim was poor after I found out the delivery gave a PM. I misread it completely. Can't believe it took so darn long for anyone to ask Jamiet, possible scum, if he got a PM.

Fine, I thought I was detective (or ECO) and thought my role was worth protecting. In hindsight, this massclaim is incredibly not fun. Instead of having a chance to play out my role as an important role, I get to be used like a disposable piece of garbage. I'm not even playing the game anymore, because instead we're just filling out a logic puzzle. I am definitely not signing up for the next game if massclaiming is a good idea for town.

Anyways, I returned "Mafia". So Jamiet, lfischl, or Food is Mafia (probably multiple).

I keep tripping up on which is possible given the information that we know, but I'm guessing I returned the alignment of Jamiet's target, which is Food.

I'm still staying on lfischl because they could be Mafia and they are acting like a total POS.

I don't think this makes much sense.

[Kakarroto]

the biggest hiding threat I think could be frogsterking who could be sicko who told the truth about his chaqa visit and return message (would be the same as curfew enforcer).

but I really doubt it since I townread frog.

Well, I was wrong about either jamie or sweet (currently looks like sweet is mafia ) so who knows, but if we really don't find the last mafia, we could always check frog then

[brainbomb]

I think this is sweets version of reading the great gatsby to us like an old sport.

[brainbomb]

sweets claim change seems more likely to be an effort to suicide and try to make foodcoats look better