Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Jamiet99uk]

I am sorry for my lack of participation so far today.

"He's hiding scum!" yells the mob.

No, serious though, work is kicking my ass.

There are a number of explanations for the result I got, and I want to work through them and present them to you - I'll do that later tonight (by which I mean tonight in real time).

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Starting with what we know for certain, sorting the 13 remaining town roles by result type, we have the following:

success/failure (4-7) - Doctor, Curfew Enforcer, News Host, Lobbyist, (Mail Man), any RBed role:
BK3K, foodcoats, Frogsterking, Hamilton, Kakarroto, lfischl, worcej

town/mafia (3 or 4) - Detective, Internal Affairs, Electoral Commission Officer, (Mail Man):
bozotheclown, heart

role (1 or 2) - Middle Manager, (Mail Man):
Diplomacy&Warfare, Jamie

player ID (2 or 3) - Ruber Driver, Polster, (Mail Man):
babyspice, brainbomb, Nephthys

delivered/undelivered (2 or 3) - Paper Delivery Boy, Door-Darter, (Mail Man):
Chaqa, damo, sweetandcool

not claimed:
Bob

I think because we have 2 "failure" reports, it is theoretically possible for all players in the success/failure group to be town, although that does not seem very likely. However, the success/failure, role, player ID, and delivered/undelivered groups all would need to include the Mail Man to not contain a mafia, so at least 3 of these groups contain at least 1 mafia if I have everything correct.

So, either I am a Middle Manager and BobMcBob targeted the Electoral Commissions Officer or I am a Mailman and BobMcBob is the Middle Manager (implying Jamie is a Mafia) or I am a Mailman and BobMcBob is a Mafia Corrupt Cop or Email Hacker. Or something involving the PI. I remember a while back someone said they knew who the PI was but I'm too lazy to go back and figure that out.
The alternative to all that is that I'm a Mafia Corrupt Cop or Email Hacker but I'm not going to go over that because I know I'm not. Someone else can do the logic of how me being a Mafia would work out.

[Jamiet99uk]

So I visited Foodcoats and my return was a role name.

Possibilities as I see it:

1. I am the Corrupt Cop
2. I am the Middle Manager and Foodcoats is lying about who he visited.
3. I am the Ruber Driver and Foodcoats is lying about who he visited.

Obviously (to me) it isn't 1 so it must be 2 or 3 and I am compelled to ##Vote Foodcoats.

[Chaqa]

There will be a great irony if scum!Food arguing to make me comply with the town scheme wound up catching scum!Sweet

[damo666]

@Frog you reported 'success' but haven't confirmed your target. I'm assuming Chaqa. Correct?

@Bob why haven't you reported a result?

[Chaqa]

##vote sweet

I want to do this one first to clear my name

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote sweet

I want to do this one first to clear my name

Forgive me - I'm not properly caught up - what did Sweet claim and how does it present you as scum?

[Jamiet99uk]

Ah I see Sweet claimed "delivered" and Chaqa claimed "undelivered".

Two roles can return that result, the Paper Delivery Boy, and the Door Darter.

Both are town.

So..... how does Chaqa need to "clear his name" ?

(Sorry, I am not caught up, I am probably asking a stupid question).

[Jamiet99uk]

Ah I see Sweet claimed "delivered" and Chaqa claimed "undelivered".

Two roles can return that result, the Paper Delivery Boy, and the Door Darter.

Both are town.

So..... how does Chaqa need to "clear his name" ?

(Sorry, I am not caught up, I am probably asking a stupid question).

Wait, I see it. Damo also claimed a "Delivered".

So possibly one of Sweet, Damo, Chaqa is scum?

[Chaqa]

##vote sweet

I want to do this one first to clear my name

Forgive me - I'm not properly caught up - what did Sweet claim and how does it present you as scum?

I would just get caught up because I don’t feel like typing. I’m on my phone so it’s not that easy. It’s pretty clearly laid out in a couple posts in the last few pages.

[Chaqa]

Ah I see Sweet claimed "delivered" and Chaqa claimed "undelivered".

Two roles can return that result, the Paper Delivery Boy, and the Door Darter.

Both are town.

So..... how does Chaqa need to "clear his name" ?

(Sorry, I am not caught up, I am probably asking a stupid question).

Wait, I see it. Damo also claimed a "Delivered".

So possibly one of Sweet, Damo, Chaqa is scum?

Dude, just get caught up and then read. Jesus.

[Chaqa]

Respond not read

[Jamiet99uk]

actually mine got changed, I put brainbomb in earlier in the phase as I wasn't going to follow the system and then flipped with about an hour left to hamilton brian but the GMs did not see it so I returned failure for brain

Yikes. Claiming the GM messed up is a big thing to say. Very unfortunate if true. I assume the GM will not confirm this (they can't, really, without influencing the game). I certainly hope you're not lying becuase using the GM in this way would be borderline cheating. I have been scumreading you but I'm not going to accuse you of that.

[Jamiet99uk]

Yes ok Chaqa you're right I need to catch up.

I hope your mother is doing okay dude.

[Chaqa]

Yes ok Chaqa you're right I need to catch up.

I hope your mother is doing okay dude.

Thanks. Im waiting on an update from my sister, but as far as I know everything is going well. So long as they don’t find any evidence of a stroke she should be home today

[Hamilton Brian]

It's painfully obvious to me that the game is moving faster than I can keep up.

I'll read back but I want to know how Food has become a wagon.

ISo Kak and bozo have put out some very heavy theories based on claims. How certain of them are we?

Also, with the roles and the deductions that will be clear as we get into N2 actions, should this game be over somewhat quickly?

I think I have to leave all the role/mech stuff to others and trust that they're acting in town's interests and not an overlyimpressive mafia plan. I'll stick to the stuff that comes easier to me.

[Hamilton Brian]

Yes ok Chaqa you're right I need to catch up.

I hope your mother is doing okay dude.

Thanks. Im waiting on an update from my sister, but as far as I know everything is going well. So long as they don’t find any evidence of a stroke she should be home today

Good stuff! I hope you hear positive news!

[Hamilton Brian]

What would be keeping players from revealing their target? Trying to come up with an alibi?

[Chaqa]

Has Bob claimed either his target or result yet?

[Jamiet99uk]

Has Bob claimed either his target or result yet?

His ISO says no. He has only claimed his result did not include the words "delivered" or "undelivered".