Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[brainbomb]

are you still all in on frog being town?

[sweetandcool]

somethings not right

I'm left with them as mafia:

foodcoats
BK3K
Chaqa/sweetandcool
Diplomacy&Warfare
Hamilton Brian/Worcej

which doesn't make sense that food targets D&W when they are on their team, right? (Also I might've been too fast to townclear worcej, Brian has a chance of being lobbyist, though I think worcej is more likely being town.)


Anyway, does anyone of you have an idea why maf-food would target maf-D&W? Especially if they don't know their roles?

Okay now I know you've messed up somewhere because lfischl and Jamiet aren't on your list.

[worcej]

But I am not sorry for thinking your position that I did “nothing” on D1 is horseshit.

I am not sorry for thinking you’re a decent sacrifice on D1 - no one is immune to that. My vote ended up being meaningless because I left it on Chaqa.

And almost certainly, I am not sorry for being overly sarcastic right now. I did find your post to be aggravating and rubbed me the wrong way because you say I did “nothing” which isn’t true.

I continue to explain that I have little motivation to dump time and processing into this game because it’s now just a clustering of buckets and we’re going to get the buckets figured out and then kill in those groups, making the potential hours of D1 I could’ve wasted on my phone hours I would’ve lost with my kids. This game clearly became a mechanics argument on D1 and it’s sad to me that it is that way after we just had a game where we used mechanics to make the game a guess and check already.

Satisfied yet BB? Sorry if you’re not.

of all the people to direct your anger at the setup over youve chosen me- who bent over backwards to make rational debate, fight for my reads, and push who I scumread. and you wanted me to die because in your opinion I was just clogging up the thread with personal fights with Jamie.

its obvious now jamie was doing exactly what I said he was doing because it was a scum motivated play choice

And I am not taking my anger out at you about the setup, I am explaining to you my frustration and why I am not invested in this game.

I am very annoyed at you for scumming me for not meeting your standards you made for me. You scum me for something that could be applied to numerous other players but choose me solely. It’s the same crap Eden has done where he scummed me for something I cannot address because it’s your opinion made of feelings.

[Chaqa]

Is it possible that one of the delivered/undelivered people has the role that sees the role of someone they target? I’m not sure if the names chosen line up with that.

[worcej]

okay worcej. well I am sorry if I was hurtful with my comment. youve been very kind to me with alot of what my wife and I are going through and I appreciated it.
So whatever is happening here with the direction this conversation went I just didnt like being voted by you or scumread by you and found it to be highly irregular. I didnt trust you were doing that from a real stance

I didn’t make a legitimate vote on D1 because I missed EOD FWIW

[brainbomb]

okay worcej. well I am sorry if I was hurtful with my comment. youve been very kind to me with alot of what my wife and I are going through and I appreciated it.
So whatever is happening here with the direction this conversation went I just didnt like being voted by you or scumread by you and found it to be highly irregular. I didnt trust you were doing that from a real stance

I didn’t make a legitimate vote on D1 because I missed EOD FWIW

im not gonna townread you for how youve handled this argument either just FYI.

[worcej]

are you still all in on frog being town?

I have not seen anything to deviate from this, but I am also not caught up. Waiting on mechanics to create buckets to iso honestly

[worcej]

okay worcej. well I am sorry if I was hurtful with my comment. youve been very kind to me with alot of what my wife and I are going through and I appreciated it.
So whatever is happening here with the direction this conversation went I just didnt like being voted by you or scumread by you and found it to be highly irregular. I didnt trust you were doing that from a real stance

I didn’t make a legitimate vote on D1 because I missed EOD FWIW

im not gonna townread you for how youve handled this argument either just FYI.

I don’t expect you to.

[Kakarroto]

somethings not right

I'm left with them as mafia:

foodcoats
BK3K
Chaqa/sweetandcool
Diplomacy&Warfare
Hamilton Brian/Worcej

which doesn't make sense that food targets D&W when they are on their team, right? (Also I might've been too fast to townclear worcej, Brian has a chance of being lobbyist, though I think worcej is more likely being town.)


Anyway, does anyone of you have an idea why maf-food would target maf-D&W? Especially if they don't know their roles?

my bad, food would target bob, who is the Electoral Commission Officer, which would give Middle Manager Jamie that information. That checks out.

I got confused because D&W also said to target Bob and return Electoral Commission Officer.

So yeah, would fit in. Only a bit strange that D&W would claim openly and truthfully that bob is EOC if D&W is mafia.

But if that all is true, the maf-team is food, BK3K, D&W plus one of Brian/Worcej and one of chaqa/sweet

Townroles would be this:
doctor - LFISCHL
detective - BOZO
internal affairs - HEART
private investigator - BUNNY (rip)
paper delivery boy - DAMO
ruber driver - NEPHTHYS
mail man - BRAIN
curfew enforcer - FROGSTER
human resources - JUST WILL (rip)
electoral commission officer - BOB
middle manager - JAMIE (if food targeted bob)
news host - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO
door darter - CHAQA/SWEET
pollster - BABYSPICE
lobbyist - BRIAN/WORCEJ/KAKARROTO

[Kakarroto]

it's 5:20 am here, I would love some input on those thoughts, did I actually solve it? Do you see any contradictions? Something I've overlooked?

[Chaqa]

In Kak we trust

[Kakarroto]

ok, BK3K has a chance of being lobbyist too (which if true would then make Brian and worcej mafia), I think, but very small and I think he is just mafia in this game.

[sweetandcool]

somethings not right

I'm left with them as mafia:

foodcoats
BK3K
Chaqa/sweetandcool
Diplomacy&Warfare
Hamilton Brian/Worcej

which doesn't make sense that food targets D&W when they are on their team, right? (Also I might've been too fast to townclear worcej, Brian has a chance of being lobbyist, though I think worcej is more likely being town.)


Anyway, does anyone of you have an idea why maf-food would target maf-D&W? Especially if they don't know their roles?

my bad, food would target bob, who is the Electoral Commission Officer, which would give Middle Manager Jamie that information. That checks out.

I got confused because D&W also said to target Bob and return Electoral Commission Officer.

So yeah, would fit in. Only a bit strange that D&W would claim openly and truthfully that bob is EOC if D&W is mafia.

But if that all is true, the maf-team is food, BK3K, D&W plus one of Brian/Worcej and one of chaqa/sweet

Townroles would be this:
doctor - LFISCHL
detective - BOZO
internal affairs - HEART
private investigator - BUNNY (rip)
paper delivery boy - DAMO
ruber driver - NEPHTHYS
mail man - BRAIN
curfew enforcer - FROGSTER
human resources - JUST WILL (rip)
electoral commission officer - BOB
middle manager - JAMIE (if food targeted bob)
news host - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO
door darter - CHAQA/SWEET
pollster - BABYSPICE
lobbyist - BRIAN/WORCEJ/KAKARROTO

Again, haven't passed things yet, but I assume that most of the Mafia team is lying plus possibly some town players.

Are you taking that into account?

[Kakarroto]

somethings not right

I'm left with them as mafia:

foodcoats
BK3K
Chaqa/sweetandcool
Diplomacy&Warfare
Hamilton Brian/Worcej

which doesn't make sense that food targets D&W when they are on their team, right? (Also I might've been too fast to townclear worcej, Brian has a chance of being lobbyist, though I think worcej is more likely being town.)


Anyway, does anyone of you have an idea why maf-food would target maf-D&W? Especially if they don't know their roles?

my bad, food would target bob, who is the Electoral Commission Officer, which would give Middle Manager Jamie that information. That checks out.

I got confused because D&W also said to target Bob and return Electoral Commission Officer.

So yeah, would fit in. Only a bit strange that D&W would claim openly and truthfully that bob is EOC if D&W is mafia.

But if that all is true, the maf-team is food, BK3K, D&W plus one of Brian/Worcej and one of chaqa/sweet

Townroles would be this:
doctor - LFISCHL
detective - BOZO
internal affairs - HEART
private investigator - BUNNY (rip)
paper delivery boy - DAMO
ruber driver - NEPHTHYS
mail man - BRAIN
curfew enforcer - FROGSTER
human resources - JUST WILL (rip)
electoral commission officer - BOB
middle manager - JAMIE (if food targeted bob)
news host - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO
door darter - CHAQA/SWEET
pollster - BABYSPICE
lobbyist - BRIAN/WORCEJ/KAKARROTO

Again, haven't passed things yet, but I assume that most of the Mafia team is lying plus possibly some town players.

Are you taking that into account?

not quite, but except the assumption of food lying about his target, everything else falls in place here. Very neat and orderly. It would also make sense that maf-food would not target the nk but the rest of mafia, in case they are afraid of any scanning or targeting powers, were not lying about their target/message.

If more were lying, I wouldn't expect it fitting that neat into each other and having major issues.

Then again, "SUCCESS" is the message with the highest count, so probably they are lying about that. Maybe D&W forgot to lie or mafia thought that with certain roles, it should be claimed truthfully.

that brings me to one thing:

@Jamie please check if you got "the food". If got it you would clear sweet and send chaqa to the shadowrealms.

[Kakarroto]

also, let me ask you then: did you lie, sweet?

[Kakarroto]

heya bob, there is a chance you are the Electoral Commission Officer which would return the alignment of the person that your target voted for on D1.

if you did target sweet from the direction list, that would mean you get to know the alignment of frogsterking, which should be TOWN, if I'm correct

[sweetandcool]

also, let me ask you then: did you lie, sweet?

Of course not. But I suspect Mafia team has not done as you said. I suspect Mafia team instead used their roles to blend in and that there must be something wrong with your list.

Sorry, I have not done substantial work yet, so I can't make a helpful argument yet, but you know I will (:

[Kakarroto]

if you didn't target sweet, here the VC from EoD1 so you can check:

Final Vote Count

JustAGuyNamedWill (7) Diplomacy&Warfare, foodcoats, bozotheclown, Hamilton Brian, brainbomb, babyspice666, lfischl
BK3K (5) Frogsterking, BobMcBob, Kakarroto, JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (2) damo666, BunnyGo
lfischl (3) Chaqa, heartthrob24909, Jamiet99uk
Kakarroto (1) Nephthys
Diplomacy&Warfare (1) BK3K
Frogsterking (1) sweetandcool
Chaqa (1) worcej

[brainbomb]

gimme names I should reread and ill do the non mech research peice of this

[Kakarroto]

gimme names I should reread and ill do the non mech research peice of this

BK3K, Brian and worcej share one spot for town, so 2/3 should be mafia. Well, if you see me as town that is. But feel free to check me too. I think though those three are quite readable.

If we don't hear from jamie, who might clear sweet, we also need to decide between chaqa and sweet.

And there is a chance that a maf/town combination lied and the whole thing falls into itself like a house of cards because their lies blend so into each other that a town appears as mafia and vice verse, but yeah.