Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[worcej]

woah now, dont go and change too drastically.

Posts like these are why I sympathize with Jamie sometimes when he gets mad at you. Perhaps you don’t understand how provocative you can be and how you spin what people say to your own little narrative.

you were trying to get me killed day 1 not because I was scum but because you wanted my argument with jamie to end. not sure why you picked his side in the argument but most of what I argued was on topic. it kept getting derailed on minutae

Sorry I didn’t play how you liked BB.

Sorry I made a choice to kill you in an effort to stop having to read drama and that if you died, at least the post counts would go down.

Again, sorry.

[Chaqa]

Yeah, I have zero motivation to scum hunt and only want to figure out mechanics and solve the puzzle as it’s being presented.

woah now, dont go and change too drastically.

Posts like these are why I sympathize with Jamie sometimes when he gets mad at you. Perhaps you don’t understand how provocative you can be and how you spin what people say to your own little narrative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsdy_rct6uo

[Kakarroto]

Also I D&W targetting Heart which I think makes me mechanically clearable as rubber driver (assuming yall think I'm town)

I need to learn how to English

My night response was "D&W" and I targetted heart

I think that confirms many of my entries

[lfischl]

D2:
breakfast news: "success"

babyspice666 → lfischl (got JustAGuyNamedWill)
BK3K → Nephthys !!! -> did instead target bob, got SUCCESS
BobMcBob → sweetandcool
bozotheclown → worcej (got TOWN) + RECEIVED THEIR ROLE (detective)
Brainbomb → babyspice666 (got JustAGuyNamedWill)
BunnyGo → BK3K (unknown)
Chaqa → BobMcBob (said something of an odd result) (got UNDELIVERED)
Damo666 → bozotheclown (got delivered)
Diplomacy&Warfare → brainbomb !!! -> did instead target bob, got Electoral Commissions Officer
foodcoats → BunnyGo (got FAILURE)
Frogsterking → Chaqa (got SUCCESS)
Hamilton Brian → damo666 (got SUCCESS)
heartthrob24909 → Diplomacy&Warfare (got TOWN)
Jamiet99uk → foodcoats (got Electoral Commissions Officer)
Kakarroto → Frogsterking (got SUCCESS)
lfischl → Hamilton Brian (got FAILURE) !!! but brain was target not Brian due to communication with GM
Nephthys → heartthrob24909
sweetandcool → Jamiet99uk (got DELIVERED)
Worcej → Kakarroto (got SUCCESS)


sweet voted frogster yesterday. ECO returns alignment their target voted. Bob targeted sweet. D&W targeted bob and got ECO as return

story checks out. Would make frogster scanned town

with the worcej -> Kakarroto -> frogster Success-chain, the news message of "SUCCESS", that should be a big sign that all three here are most likely town (or at least didn't lie)

most likely frogster is our Curfew Enforcer who blocked chaqa
worcej and Kakarroto should be lobbyist/news host, but unclear who is who (would probably be revealed after EoD with votecount). Worcej and Kakarroto should try to not vote for the same target (and best not to vote with either of BK3K or Brain since they also claimed SUCCESS)

damo is our paper delivery boy
bozo is our detective

something doesn't check out with the delivered/undelivered bracket then. There can't be 3 of those messages since neither is connected for a possible mail man copy. Either sweet, damo or chaqa HAS to lie. Given damos on top info of the role, I think he says the truth. If he lies, bozo probably lies too and we get two mafia. Not likely that mafia does this gamble, I think.

Want to hear from bob since he is between chaqa and sweet ... hmm, I don't think there might be no way that that's the connection and all three tell the truth, but I'm not sure right now. I don't think there is a role in here that transmits something further in any possible way. But feel free to check that out.

babyspice and brainbomb most likely Pollster and mail man



doctor - FOOD/LFISCHL -> one is mafia
detective - BOZO
internal affairs - HEART(?)
private investigator - BUNNY (rip)
paper delivery boy - DAMO
ruber driver - ? no one fit the bill right now, maybe Nephthys?
mail man - BRAIN
curfew enforcer - FROGSTER
human resources - JUST WILL (rip)
electoral commission officer - BOB/FOOD -> one is mafia
middle manager - maybe Jamie if food targeted D&W? that would make sense
news host - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO
door darter - CHAQA/SWEET -> one is mafia
pollster - BABYSPICE
lobbyist - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO

please check and your thoughts!

wait if food was doctor would he not have saved bunny?

##vote foodcoats

[Kakarroto]

doctor - FOOD/LFISCHL -> one is mafia
detective - BOZO
internal affairs - HEART
private investigator - BUNNY (rip)
paper delivery boy - DAMO
ruber driver - NEPHTHYS
mail man - BRAIN
curfew enforcer - FROGSTER
human resources - JUST WILL (rip)
electoral commission officer - BOB/FOOD -> one is mafia[color]
middle manager - maybe Jamie if food targeted D&W? that would make sense
news host - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO
door darter - CHAQA/SWEET -> one is mafia
pollster - BABYSPICE
lobbyist - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO

if Jamie said the truth, food lied about his target.

Food is mafia
Lfischl is doc

only chaqa/sweet needs to be cleared

[Kakarroto]

doctor - FOOD/LFISCHL -> one is mafia
detective - BOZO
internal affairs - HEART
private investigator - BUNNY (rip)
paper delivery boy - DAMO
ruber driver - NEPHTHYS
mail man - BRAIN
curfew enforcer - FROGSTER
human resources - JUST WILL (rip)
electoral commission officer - BOB/FOOD -> one is mafia
middle manager - maybe Jamie if food targeted D&W? that would make sense
news host - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO
door darter - CHAQA/SWEET -> one is mafia
pollster - BABYSPICE
lobbyist - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO

if Jamie said the truth, food lied about his target.

Food is mafia
Lfischl is doc

only chaqa/sweet needs to be cleared

[worcej]

But I am not sorry for thinking your position that I did “nothing” on D1 is horseshit.

I am not sorry for thinking you’re a decent sacrifice on D1 - no one is immune to that. My vote ended up being meaningless because I left it on Chaqa.

And almost certainly, I am not sorry for being overly sarcastic right now. I did find your post to be aggravating and rubbed me the wrong way because you say I did “nothing” which isn’t true.

I continue to explain that I have little motivation to dump time and processing into this game because it’s now just a clustering of buckets and we’re going to get the buckets figured out and then kill in those groups, making the potential hours of D1 I could’ve wasted on my phone hours I would’ve lost with my kids. This game clearly became a mechanics argument on D1 and it’s sad to me that it is that way after we just had a game where we used mechanics to make the game a guess and check already.

Satisfied yet BB? Sorry if you’re not.

[Chaqa]

I think I was targeted by the Sicko. I don't see any other way I received an "undeliverable"

[brainbomb]

Sorry that my D1 wasn’t to your liking BB.

Sorry I don’t have the same fanatical motivations like you do BB.

Sorry I don’t find mechanics being the dominant force of a game to be a fun game to play.

Sorry my kids were over and I spent more time with them since I get them 3/14 days as my custody arrangement.

Sorry my son was sick and I missed EOD1 and most of N1 with my first doctors appointment, where our normal family doctor didn’t catch my son was in worse shape than we thought. Then I had to deal with my ex-wife ripping into me for not pushing harder at the doctor so that she had to take my son to urgent care where he was diagnosed with Croup.

Again, Sorry BB - Sorry I don’t live up to your standards and therefore am scum.

Sorry I didnt even try to read your cases on Jamie
or Frog wouldve probably been sufficient

[sweetandcool]

D2:
breakfast news: "success"

babyspice666 → lfischl (got JustAGuyNamedWill)
BK3K → Nephthys !!! -> did instead target bob, got SUCCESS
BobMcBob → sweetandcool
bozotheclown → worcej (got TOWN) + RECEIVED THEIR ROLE (detective)
Brainbomb → babyspice666 (got JustAGuyNamedWill)
BunnyGo → BK3K (unknown)
Chaqa → BobMcBob (said something of an odd result) (got UNDELIVERED)
Damo666 → bozotheclown (got delivered)
Diplomacy&Warfare → brainbomb !!! -> did instead target bob, got Electoral Commissions Officer
foodcoats → BunnyGo (got FAILURE)
Frogsterking → Chaqa (got SUCCESS)
Hamilton Brian → damo666 (got SUCCESS)
heartthrob24909 → Diplomacy&Warfare (got TOWN)
Jamiet99uk → foodcoats (got Electoral Commissions Officer)
Kakarroto → Frogsterking (got SUCCESS)
lfischl → Hamilton Brian (got FAILURE) !!! but brain was target not Brian due to communication with GM
Nephthys → heartthrob24909
sweetandcool → Jamiet99uk (got DELIVERED)
Worcej → Kakarroto (got SUCCESS)


sweet voted frogster yesterday. ECO returns alignment their target voted. Bob targeted sweet. D&W targeted bob and got ECO as return

story checks out. Would make frogster scanned town

with the worcej -> Kakarroto -> frogster Success-chain, the news message of "SUCCESS", that should be a big sign that all three here are most likely town (or at least didn't lie)

most likely frogster is our Curfew Enforcer who blocked chaqa
worcej and Kakarroto should be lobbyist/news host, but unclear who is who (would probably be revealed after EoD with votecount). Worcej and Kakarroto should try to not vote for the same target (and best not to vote with either of BK3K or Brain since they also claimed SUCCESS)

damo is our paper delivery boy
bozo is our detective

something doesn't check out with the delivered/undelivered bracket then. There can't be 3 of those messages since neither is connected for a possible mail man copy. Either sweet, damo or chaqa HAS to lie. Given damos on top info of the role, I think he says the truth. If he lies, bozo probably lies too and we get two mafia. Not likely that mafia does this gamble, I think.

Want to hear from bob since he is between chaqa and sweet ... hmm, I don't think there might be no way that that's the connection and all three tell the truth, but I'm not sure right now. I don't think there is a role in here that transmits something further in any possible way. But feel free to check that out.

babyspice and brainbomb most likely Pollster and mail man



doctor - FOOD/LFISCHL -> one is mafia
detective - BOZO
internal affairs - HEART(?)
private investigator - BUNNY (rip)
paper delivery boy - DAMO
ruber driver - ? no one fit the bill right now, maybe Nephthys?
mail man - BRAIN
curfew enforcer - FROGSTER
human resources - JUST WILL (rip)
electoral commission officer - BOB/FOOD -> one is mafia
middle manager - maybe Jamie if food targeted D&W? that would make sense
news host - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO
door darter - CHAQA/SWEET -> one is mafia
pollster - BABYSPICE
lobbyist - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO

please check and your thoughts!

I need some time to parse the results, but yeah unless there is lying elsewhere it seems we have to many delivery results.

[worcej]

Sorry that my D1 wasn’t to your liking BB.

Sorry I don’t have the same fanatical motivations like you do BB.

Sorry I don’t find mechanics being the dominant force of a game to be a fun game to play.

Sorry my kids were over and I spent more time with them since I get them 3/14 days as my custody arrangement.

Sorry my son was sick and I missed EOD1 and most of N1 with my first doctors appointment, where our normal family doctor didn’t catch my son was in worse shape than we thought. Then I had to deal with my ex-wife ripping into me for not pushing harder at the doctor so that she had to take my son to urgent care where he was diagnosed with Croup.

Again, Sorry BB - Sorry I don’t live up to your standards and therefore am scum.

Sorry I didnt even try to read your cases on Jamie
or Frog wouldve probably been sufficient

If you read my posts, you’d already know why I towned Frog.

[brainbomb]

But I am not sorry for thinking your position that I did “nothing” on D1 is horseshit.

I am not sorry for thinking you’re a decent sacrifice on D1 - no one is immune to that. My vote ended up being meaningless because I left it on Chaqa.

And almost certainly, I am not sorry for being overly sarcastic right now. I did find your post to be aggravating and rubbed me the wrong way because you say I did “nothing” which isn’t true.

I continue to explain that I have little motivation to dump time and processing into this game because it’s now just a clustering of buckets and we’re going to get the buckets figured out and then kill in those groups, making the potential hours of D1 I could’ve wasted on my phone hours I would’ve lost with my kids. This game clearly became a mechanics argument on D1 and it’s sad to me that it is that way after we just had a game where we used mechanics to make the game a guess and check already.

Satisfied yet BB? Sorry if you’re not.

of all the people to direct your anger at the setup over youve chosen me- who bent over backwards to make rational debate, fight for my reads, and push who I scumread. and you wanted me to die because in your opinion I was just clogging up the thread with personal fights with Jamie.

its obvious now jamie was doing exactly what I said he was doing because it was a scum motivated play choice

[worcej]

But I am not sorry for thinking your position that I did “nothing” on D1 is horseshit.

I am not sorry for thinking you’re a decent sacrifice on D1 - no one is immune to that. My vote ended up being meaningless because I left it on Chaqa.

And almost certainly, I am not sorry for being overly sarcastic right now. I did find your post to be aggravating and rubbed me the wrong way because you say I did “nothing” which isn’t true.

I continue to explain that I have little motivation to dump time and processing into this game because it’s now just a clustering of buckets and we’re going to get the buckets figured out and then kill in those groups, making the potential hours of D1 I could’ve wasted on my phone hours I would’ve lost with my kids. This game clearly became a mechanics argument on D1 and it’s sad to me that it is that way after we just had a game where we used mechanics to make the game a guess and check already.

Satisfied yet BB? Sorry if you’re not.

of all the people to direct your anger at the setup over youve chosen me- who bent over backwards to make rational debate, fight for my reads, and push who I scumread. and you wanted me to die because in your opinion I was just clogging up the thread with personal fights with Jamie.

its obvious now jamie was doing exactly what I said he was doing because it was a scum motivated play choice

You can be right about Jamie being scum but also be clogging the thread with fights. These aren’t mutually exclusive.

[sweetandcool]

Sorry that my D1 wasn’t to your liking BB.

Sorry I don’t have the same fanatical motivations like you do BB.

Sorry I don’t find mechanics being the dominant force of a game to be a fun game to play.

Sorry my kids were over and I spent more time with them since I get them 3/14 days as my custody arrangement.

Sorry my son was sick and I missed EOD1 and most of N1 with my first doctors appointment, where our normal family doctor didn’t catch my son was in worse shape than we thought. Then I had to deal with my ex-wife ripping into me for not pushing harder at the doctor so that she had to take my son to urgent care where he was diagnosed with Croup.

Again, Sorry BB - Sorry I don’t live up to your standards and therefore am scum.

Hey, I had severe Croup as a kid.

It just cropped up randomly, but I would literally turn blue from not being able to breathe. My family's solution was to put me in the bathroom and run the bath, getting it extremely steamy. That always did the trick and cleared me up instantly.

[worcej]

Sorry that my D1 wasn’t to your liking BB.

Sorry I don’t have the same fanatical motivations like you do BB.

Sorry I don’t find mechanics being the dominant force of a game to be a fun game to play.

Sorry my kids were over and I spent more time with them since I get them 3/14 days as my custody arrangement.

Sorry my son was sick and I missed EOD1 and most of N1 with my first doctors appointment, where our normal family doctor didn’t catch my son was in worse shape than we thought. Then I had to deal with my ex-wife ripping into me for not pushing harder at the doctor so that she had to take my son to urgent care where he was diagnosed with Croup.

Again, Sorry BB - Sorry I don’t live up to your standards and therefore am scum.

Hey, I had severe Croup as a kid.

It just cropped up randomly, but I would literally turn blue from not being able to breathe. My family's solution was to put me in the bathroom and run the bath, getting it extremely steamy. That always did the trick and cleared me up instantly.

He got steroids at urgent care and seems better. But even they were surprised our family doctor missed it…

The drama and anger fired at me by my Ex on the other hand was not enjoyable. I am very glad I am rid of the “see you next Tuesday”…

[brainbomb]

okay worcej. well I am sorry if I was hurtful with my comment. youve been very kind to me with alot of what my wife and I are going through and I appreciated it.
So whatever is happening here with the direction this conversation went I just didnt like being voted by you or scumread by you and found it to be highly irregular. I didnt trust you were doing that from a real stance

[Kakarroto]

somethings not right

I'm left with them as mafia:

foodcoats
BK3K
Chaqa/sweetandcool
Diplomacy&Warfare
Hamilton Brian/Worcej

which doesn't make sense that food targets D&W when they are on their team, right? (Also I might've been too fast to townclear worcej, Brian has a chance of being lobbyist, though I think worcej is more likely being town.)


Anyway, does anyone of you have an idea why maf-food would target maf-D&W? Especially if they don't know their roles?

[brainbomb]

also I was never saying you werent playing enough- I was thinking you were probably just mafia looking for simplistic reads

[lfischl]

somethings not right

I'm left with them as mafia:

foodcoats
BK3K
Chaqa/sweetandcool
Diplomacy&Warfare
Hamilton Brian/Worcej

which doesn't make sense that food targets D&W when they are on their team, right? (Also I might've been too fast to townclear worcej, Brian has a chance of being lobbyist, though I think worcej is more likely being town.)


Anyway, does anyone of you have an idea why maf-food would target maf-D&W? Especially if they don't know their roles?

did food claim a D&W target or is that what we are assuming

[sweetandcool]

Sorry that my D1 wasn’t to your liking BB.

Sorry I don’t have the same fanatical motivations like you do BB.

Sorry I don’t find mechanics being the dominant force of a game to be a fun game to play.

Sorry my kids were over and I spent more time with them since I get them 3/14 days as my custody arrangement.

Sorry my son was sick and I missed EOD1 and most of N1 with my first doctors appointment, where our normal family doctor didn’t catch my son was in worse shape than we thought. Then I had to deal with my ex-wife ripping into me for not pushing harder at the doctor so that she had to take my son to urgent care where he was diagnosed with Croup.

Again, Sorry BB - Sorry I don’t live up to your standards and therefore am scum.

Hey, I had severe Croup as a kid.

It just cropped up randomly, but I would literally turn blue from not being able to breathe. My family's solution was to put me in the bathroom and run the bath, getting it extremely steamy. That always did the trick and cleared me up instantly.

He got steroids at urgent care and seems better. But even they were surprised our family doctor missed it…

The drama and anger fired at me by my Ex on the other hand was not enjoyable. I am very glad I am rid of the “see you next Tuesday”…

I'm sorry you have to deal with that. It must be very tough.