Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[heartthrob24909]

brainbomb's and babyspice's returns matching one another (both claimed to have received "JustAGuyNamedWill"), and babyspice being brainbomb's target, heavily suggests that brainbomb is either the Email Hacker or the Mail Man.

This has already been pointed out "live" but figured it might be helpful to have this little summary post for anyone skimming.

[heartthrob24909]

Correct, yes, my PM targeted you.

In that case, because I know my PM from the GM says "Failure," and to get that result you must be the maf corrupt cop, maf hacker, or mail man, you are the Corrupt Cop and I am the Electoral Commissions Officer.

GG. Sorry.

Need to dig, but are those the only way you can fail?

I wonder what it looks like when one of the roles who moves after the kill takes place attempts to use their action on the player who just got killed? I think this was brought up early early which I can dig for but it came to mind reading this Q

[worcej]

This is fun!

I think we have a different definition of fun. Or at least taste.

Yeah, I have zero motivation to scum hunt and only want to figure out mechanics and solve the puzzle as it’s being presented.

[Chaqa]

meh

[brainbomb]

heart is locked in to what going on and seems pretty town here

[brainbomb]

it sounds like my role is one that is going to be cumbersome to actually clear mechanically. therefore maybe we should flip jamie today and verify that my push on him was accurate and was never scum theatre.

and if that still isnt enough we should then flip worcej also and see if im 2/2 on scumreads today

[heartthrob24909]

Additional Rules:

This is the order of operations:
[...]
15 Mafia NK
16 Gerrymander-er (not in this game)
17 Lobbyist
18 Door-Darter
19 Paper Delivery Boy
20 News Host
21 E-Mail Hacker
22 Mail Man

If you get NK'd and your role is number 16-22, you won't perform it.


There is no "you have been roleblocked" message. If your role would normally receive a result of some kind, you will receive a "failure" message if it can't be performed for any reason (RB, protection, etc).

You cannot self-target.

Foodcoats claims to have targeted BunnyGo and to have received a return of "Failure." It's possible that he was one of these last 6 roles and could not perform his action due to BunnyGo having been killed. It's also possible that he had a normal Success/failure role within the first 14 roles to move in the order of operations (sicko, doctor, or curfew enforcer).

Sicko is on the scum team.

Doctor wouldn't make sense here assuming Foodcoast was telling the truth about his target and his return.

##CALL GM Does Curfew Enforcer prevent the target from being NK'd? If not, this role is still a plausible match for Foodcoats assuming he was telling the truth about his target and his return.

It's also possible that Foodcoats is scum, knew BunnyGo was going to be the nightkill, and claimed failure so he could be mapped to one of those roles but it's not like the options there are that plentiful since 1 is scum and at least one of the others is impossible or a lie.

Again pls jump in if I am getting this wrong or forgetting possibilities. Trying to do this kinda fast and I'm not triple-checking

[worcej]

meh

I feel this lol

[brainbomb]

This is fun!

I think we have a different definition of fun. Or at least taste.

Yeah, I have zero motivation to scum hunt and only want to figure out mechanics and solve the puzzle as it’s being presented.

woah now, dont go and change too drastically.

[heartthrob24909]

Additional Rules:

This is the order of operations:
[...]
15 Mafia NK
16 Gerrymander-er (not in this game)
17 Lobbyist
18 Door-Darter
19 Paper Delivery Boy
20 News Host
21 E-Mail Hacker
22 Mail Man

If you get NK'd and your role is number 16-22, you won't perform it.


There is no "you have been roleblocked" message. If your role would normally receive a result of some kind, you will receive a "failure" message if it can't be performed for any reason (RB, protection, etc).

You cannot self-target.

Foodcoats claims to have targeted BunnyGo and to have received a return of "Failure." It's possible that he was one of these last 6 roles and could not perform his action due to BunnyGo having been killed. It's also possible that he had a normal Success/failure role within the first 14 roles to move in the order of operations (sicko, doctor, or curfew enforcer).

Sicko is on the scum team.

Doctor wouldn't make sense here assuming Foodcoast was telling the truth about his target and his return.

##CALL GM Does Curfew Enforcer prevent the target from being NK'd? If not, this role is still a plausible match for Foodcoats assuming he was telling the truth about his target and his return.

It's also possible that Foodcoats is scum, knew BunnyGo was going to be the nightkill, and claimed failure so he could be mapped to one of those roles but it's not like the options there are that plentiful since 1 is scum and at least one of the others is impossible or a lie.

Again pls jump in if I am getting this wrong or forgetting possibilities. Trying to do this kinda fast and I'm not triple-checking

For completeness:

Other s/f roles are News Host and Lobbyist.

You are the News Host. You perform investigative journalism and then tell everyone your target's return on your breakfast news show. Responsible journalistic practices prevent you from revealing the name of your source. You return "success" or "failure", as appropriate.

News Host Monarch posted a "Success" message at BoD2. Regardless of timing of death/whether BunnyGo got a return or not before he died, since we know his role, we know his return definitely would have been a Role and not a Success/Failure. So assuming Foodcoats told the truth about his target and his return, then Foodcoats is not the News Host.

(BunnyGo was PI:

You are the Private Investigator. You snoop around in a player's buisness and return their role. Mafia targets will return a town role with the same or similar powers.

)

Next up

You are the Lobbyist. You spend time and money for your target to make their voice heard, doubling the power of their vote in the next day phase. They will not know their vote has been doubled, and the additional vote will only be displayed as a 1 higher count for the appropriate wagon at EOD. You return "success" or "failure", as appropriate.

A "Failure" message for Foodcoats would make sense here were he the Lobbyist and telling the truth about his return and his target, since BunnyGo was killed before he could be Lobbied.

[worcej]

it sounds like my role is one that is going to be cumbersome to actually clear mechanically. therefore maybe we should flip jamie today and verify that my push on him was accurate and was never scum theatre.

and if that still isnt enough we should then flip worcej also and see if im 2/2 on scumreads today

Your read on Jamie seems to be highly plausible based off the mechanics so far.

[heartthrob24909]

Okay, it's bedtime for me unfortunately. Good night all and good luck and see you tomorrow.

@BunnyGhost: if you see me working on this in the office tomorrow, no you didn't

[worcej]

I think we have a different definition of fun. Or at least taste.

Yeah, I have zero motivation to scum hunt and only want to figure out mechanics and solve the puzzle as it’s being presented.

woah now, dont go and change too drastically.

Posts like these are why I sympathize with Jamie sometimes when he gets mad at you. Perhaps you don’t understand how provocative you can be and how you spin what people say to your own little narrative.

[Kakarroto]

D2:
breakfast news: "success"

babyspice666 → lfischl (got JustAGuyNamedWill)
BK3K → Nephthys !!! -> did instead target bob, got SUCCESS
BobMcBob → sweetandcool
bozotheclown → worcej (got TOWN) + RECEIVED THEIR ROLE (detective)
Brainbomb → babyspice666 (got JustAGuyNamedWill)
BunnyGo → BK3K (unknown)
Chaqa → BobMcBob (said something of an odd result) (got UNDELIVERED)
Damo666 → bozotheclown (got delivered)
Diplomacy&Warfare → brainbomb !!! -> did instead target bob, got Electoral Commissions Officer
foodcoats → BunnyGo (got FAILURE)
Frogsterking → Chaqa (got SUCCESS)
Hamilton Brian → damo666 (got SUCCESS)
heartthrob24909 → Diplomacy&Warfare (got TOWN)
Jamiet99uk → foodcoats (got Electoral Commissions Officer)
Kakarroto → Frogsterking (got SUCCESS)
lfischl → Hamilton Brian (got FAILURE) !!! but brain was target not Brian due to communication with GM
Nephthys → heartthrob24909
sweetandcool → Jamiet99uk (got DELIVERED)
Worcej → Kakarroto (got SUCCESS)


sweet voted frogster yesterday. ECO returns alignment their target voted. Bob targeted sweet. D&W targeted bob and got ECO as return

story checks out. Would make frogster scanned town

with the worcej -> Kakarroto -> frogster Success-chain, the news message of "SUCCESS", that should be a big sign that all three here are most likely town (or at least didn't lie)

most likely frogster is our Curfew Enforcer who blocked chaqa
worcej and Kakarroto should be lobbyist/news host, but unclear who is who (would probably be revealed after EoD with votecount). Worcej and Kakarroto should try to not vote for the same target (and best not to vote with either of BK3K or Brain since they also claimed SUCCESS)

damo is our paper delivery boy
bozo is our detective

something doesn't check out with the delivered/undelivered bracket then. There can't be 3 of those messages since neither is connected for a possible mail man copy. Either sweet, damo or chaqa HAS to lie. Given damos on top info of the role, I think he says the truth. If he lies, bozo probably lies too and we get two mafia. Not likely that mafia does this gamble, I think.

Want to hear from bob since he is between chaqa and sweet ... hmm, I don't think there might be no way that that's the connection and all three tell the truth, but I'm not sure right now. I don't think there is a role in here that transmits something further in any possible way. But feel free to check that out.

babyspice and brainbomb most likely Pollster and mail man



doctor - FOOD/LFISCHL -> one is mafia
detective - BOZO
internal affairs - HEART(?)
private investigator - BUNNY (rip)
paper delivery boy - DAMO
ruber driver - ? no one fit the bill right now, maybe Nephthys?
mail man - BRAIN
curfew enforcer - FROGSTER
human resources - JUST WILL (rip)
electoral commission officer - BOB/FOOD -> one is mafia
middle manager - maybe Jamie if food targeted D&W? that would make sense
news host - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO
door darter - CHAQA/SWEET -> one is mafia
pollster - BABYSPICE
lobbyist - WORCEJ/KAKARROTO

please check and your thoughts!

[brainbomb]

Yeah, I have zero motivation to scum hunt and only want to figure out mechanics and solve the puzzle as it’s being presented.

woah now, dont go and change too drastically.

Posts like these are why I sympathize with Jamie sometimes when he gets mad at you. Perhaps you don’t understand how provocative you can be and how you spin what people say to your own little narrative.

you were trying to get me killed day 1 not because I was scum but because you wanted my argument with jamie to end. not sure why you picked his side in the argument but most of what I argued was on topic. it kept getting derailed on minutae

[Nephthys]

A "Failure" message for Foodcoats would make sense here were he the Lobbyist and telling the truth about his return and his target, since BunnyGo was killed before he could be Lobbied.

Wont this be mechanically clearable if there is no extra voting at EOD today?

Also, told you about Jamie
##vote Jamie

[Nephthys]

I think we have a different definition of fun. Or at least taste.

Yeah, I have zero motivation to scum hunt and only want to figure out mechanics and solve the puzzle as it’s being presented.

woah now, dont go and change too drastically.

I mean this is kinda funny, I appreciate you have a reason for being less active, doesn't mean it isn't funny

[worcej]

Sorry that my D1 wasn’t to your liking BB.

Sorry I don’t have the same fanatical motivations like you do BB.

Sorry I don’t find mechanics being the dominant force of a game to be a fun game to play.

Sorry my kids were over and I spent more time with them since I get them 3/14 days as my custody arrangement.

Sorry my son was sick and I missed EOD1 and most of N1 with my first doctors appointment, where our normal family doctor didn’t catch my son was in worse shape than we thought. Then I had to deal with my ex-wife ripping into me for not pushing harder at the doctor so that she had to take my son to urgent care where he was diagnosed with Croup.

Again, Sorry BB - Sorry I don’t live up to your standards and therefore am scum.

[Nephthys]

Also I D&W targetting Heart which I think makes me mechanically clearable as rubber driver (assuming yall think I'm town)

[Nephthys]

Also I D&W targetting Heart which I think makes me mechanically clearable as rubber driver (assuming yall think I'm town)

I need to learn how to English

My night response was "D&W" and I targetted heart