Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Kakarroto]

I got delivered.

you got the return message of "delivered", do I understand that correctly? Not that you got (something) delivered, right?

Can anyone actually get anything delivered?

Yes, "delivered".

yes, two different roles can do that, so I'm excited to hear what jamie has to say.

also a third role can produce the same message (but not actual deliver)

[damo666]

Losing Bunny with that role is a shame.

I see nobody is following his recommendation of listing two different returns so I will stay with that pattern and hope it's for the best.

I targeted bozo and my return was 'delivered'.

So either:

I am paper delivery boy and bozo knows his role

or

I am mail man and bozo is PDB

or

I am door darter and bozo will be able to confirm.

[sweetandcool]

Food is either Mafia or is just determined to gut any town players who play any differently than their preference for town play.

At least, that's how their reads list looks.

[foodcoats]

I returned "Electoral Commissions Officer"

Who did you target? (sorry if this is already posted later, catching up)

[damo666]

Losing Bunny with that role is a shame.

I see nobody is following his recommendation of listing two different returns so I will stay with that pattern and hope it's for the best.

I targeted bozo and my return was 'delivered'.

So either:

I am paper delivery boy and bozo knows his role

or

I am mail man and bozo is PDB

or

I am door darter and bozo will be able to confirm.

Given two other [un]delivered claims this rules out mail man [or te other claimants are lying.

I assume when I re-engage tomorrow UK time some one will have posted a summary of target/return claims with the implications.

At first glance it seems we are gonna do ok out of it.

[Kakarroto]

##VOTE lfischl

I'm pretty sure Bunny was killed so that he couldn't catch lfischl in his lie. Very convenient.

what makes you think that bunny could've caught lfischls lie? Bunny was set to target BK3K.

[foodcoats]

Food is either Mafia or is just determined to gut any town players who play any differently than their preference for town play.

At least, that's how their reads list looks.

Huh?

[sweetandcool]

##VOTE lfischl

I'm pretty sure Bunny was killed so that he couldn't catch lfischl in his lie. Very convenient.

what makes you think that bunny could've caught lfischls lie? Bunny was set to target BK3K.

This has nothing to do with returns.

Remember, lfischl bizarrely claimed he could see the same scum tell as Bunny.

Bunny is now dead and can no longer verify what that tell was.

And lfischl has conveniently refused to tell us what he thought the tell was.

[Kakarroto]

##VOTE lfischl

I'm pretty sure Bunny was killed so that he couldn't catch lfischl in his lie. Very convenient.

what makes you think that bunny could've caught lfischls lie? Bunny was set to target BK3K.

This has nothing to do with returns.

Remember, lfischl bizarrely claimed he could see the same scum tell as Bunny.

Bunny is now dead and can no longer verify what that tell was.

And lfischl has conveniently refused to tell us what he thought the tell was.

ah, I see. That is certainly a possibility.

Would you think mafia would set up town(?)food and either send all five to target food or chancing it to risk not rb'ing him so whatever his role is he can't say anything about his target bunny? (I mean low chances are jamie is town-rb and just hit food naturally, but if there isn't a message from jamie saying 'success' then no chance)

[Nephthys]

##VOTE lfischl

I'm pretty sure Bunny was killed so that he couldn't catch lfischl in his lie. Very convenient.

what makes you think that bunny could've caught lfischls lie? Bunny was set to target BK3K.

This has nothing to do with returns.

Remember, lfischl bizarrely claimed he could see the same scum tell as Bunny.

Bunny is now dead and can no longer verify what that tell was.

And lfischl has conveniently refused to tell us what he thought the tell was.

I don't think anyone believes him

[sweetandcool]

what makes you think that bunny could've caught lfischls lie? Bunny was set to target BK3K.

This has nothing to do with returns.

Remember, lfischl bizarrely claimed he could see the same scum tell as Bunny.

Bunny is now dead and can no longer verify what that tell was.

And lfischl has conveniently refused to tell us what he thought the tell was.

ah, I see. That is certainly a possibility.

Would you think mafia would set up town(?)food and either send all five to target food or chancing it to risk not rb'ing him so whatever his role is he can't say anything about his target bunny? (I mean low chances are jamie is town-rb and just hit food naturally, but if there isn't a message from jamie saying 'success' then no chance)

I'm interested in what Jamiet got.

But I don't think so. Either Food is Mafia and failure is just a convenient lie, or of course failure is just a byproduct of the fact they killed bunny.

But the killing of bunny is clearly to cover lfischl.

lfischl being scum would certainly explain D1 voting.

[sweetandcool]

lfischl was a wagon behind me.

I was already nailed so they wanted to introduce more town wagons to compete with me and keep lfischl safer.

So they pushed Will. Then BK3K was flashed (I don't think Mafia influence contributed to that, but possible).

The result was T v T and one uncontrolled candidate (BK3K) that could be either alignment.

But lfischl was kept safe and sound.

[sweetandcool]

I think brain might be right about Jamiet, who chose a safe bus to break the tie.

@brainbomb, I really prefer lfischl here, but am willing to go Jamiet.

Either way, flipping one will be incredibly telling and helpful for town.

[foodcoats]

I returned "Electoral Commissions Officer"

Who did you target? (sorry if this is already posted later, catching up)

This is one of the most important claims so far because it produces the narrowest range of possible roles for D&W: Mafia Corrupt Cop, Mafia Hacker, or Mail Man. He is not the PI because Bunny was.

D&W is 66% scum mechanically, and all 12 other claims so far could also be the Mail Man (I am pretty sure at this stage that basically anyone with any claim could be the Mail Man, until we do second level triage). Overall it is quite likely D&W is scum if he is telling the truth (and if he is lying, I'm not sure why).

[brainbomb]

I returned "Electoral Commissions Officer"

Who did you target? (sorry if this is already posted later, catching up)

This is one of the most important claims so far because it produces the narrowest range of possible roles for D&W: Mafia Corrupt Cop, Mafia Hacker, or Mail Man. He is not the PI because Bunny was.

D&W is 66% scum mechanically, and all 12 other claims so far could also be the Mail Man (I am pretty sure at this stage that basically anyone with any claim could be the Mail Man, until we do second level triage). Overall it is quite likely D&W is scum if he is telling the truth (and if he is lying, I'm not sure why).

How do you explain my result and baby spices result unless one of us is mailman

[sweetandcool]

I returned "Electoral Commissions Officer"

Who did you target? (sorry if this is already posted later, catching up)

This is one of the most important claims so far because it produces the narrowest range of possible roles for D&W: Mafia Corrupt Cop, Mafia Hacker, or Mail Man. He is not the PI because Bunny was.

D&W is 66% scum mechanically, and all 12 other claims so far could also be the Mail Man (I am pretty sure at this stage that basically anyone with any claim could be the Mail Man, until we do second level triage). Overall it is quite likely D&W is scum if he is telling the truth (and if he is lying, I'm not sure why).

So you are assuming Mafia wouldn't lie?

I kind of assumed they would just claim success or more likely failure since that is the broadest category.

[brainbomb]

Who did you target? (sorry if this is already posted later, catching up)

This is one of the most important claims so far because it produces the narrowest range of possible roles for D&W: Mafia Corrupt Cop, Mafia Hacker, or Mail Man. He is not the PI because Bunny was.

D&W is 66% scum mechanically, and all 12 other claims so far could also be the Mail Man (I am pretty sure at this stage that basically anyone with any claim could be the Mail Man, until we do second level triage). Overall it is quite likely D&W is scum if he is telling the truth (and if he is lying, I'm not sure why).

How do you explain my result and baby spices result unless one of us is mailman

actually specifically I would have to be mailman there

[sweetandcool]

Who did you target? (sorry if this is already posted later, catching up)

This is one of the most important claims so far because it produces the narrowest range of possible roles for D&W: Mafia Corrupt Cop, Mafia Hacker, or Mail Man. He is not the PI because Bunny was.

D&W is 66% scum mechanically, and all 12 other claims so far could also be the Mail Man (I am pretty sure at this stage that basically anyone with any claim could be the Mail Man, until we do second level triage). Overall it is quite likely D&W is scum if he is telling the truth (and if he is lying, I'm not sure why).

How do you explain my result and baby spices result unless one of us is mailman

Yeah, barring lying I assume you are Mail Man.

[foodcoats]

I got “undelivered” on Bob

This is the other important-for-being-narrow claim. Chaqa can be one of three roles: Maf Hacker, Paper Delivery Boy, or Mail Man (or the Door Darter, except he CANNOT be the Door Darter if sweet is telling the truth and received a delivery).

[Kakarroto]

the state of D2 claims, so far (2 AM CET edition):
breakfast news: "success"

babyspice666 → lfischl (got JustAGuyNamedWill)
BK3K → Nephthys !!! -> did instead target bob, got SUCCESS
BobMcBob → sweetandcool
bozotheclown → worcej
Brainbomb → babyspice666 (got JustAGuyNamedWill)
BunnyGo → BK3K (unknown)
Chaqa → BobMcBob (said something of an odd result) (got UNDELIVERED)
Damo666 → bozotheclown (got delivered)
Diplomacy&Warfare → brainbomb (ECO)
foodcoats → BunnyGo (got FAILURE)
Frogsterking → Chaqa
Hamilton Brian → damo666 (got SUCCESS)
heartthrob24909 → Diplomacy&Warfare
Jamiet99uk → foodcoats
Kakarroto → Frogsterking (got SUCCESS)
lfischl → Hamilton Brian (got FAILURE)
Nephthys → heartthrob24909
sweetandcool → Jamiet99uk (got DELIVERED)
Worcej → Kakarroto (got SUCCESS)


THOUGHTS ON RESULTS IF NO ONE LIED:

regarding SUCCESS messages:

BK3K can't be doc
Brian can't be doc
Kakarroto can't be doc
worcej can't be doc

BK3K might be Curfew Enforcer
Brian can't be Curfew Enforcer
worcej can't be Curfew Enforcer
Kakarroto might be Curfew Enforcer (depends on Frogsterkings message)

BK3K can't be nes host
Brian can't be news host
worcej might be news host
Kakarroto might be news host (depens on Frogsterkings message)

BK3K might be Lobbyist
Brian might be Lobbyist
Kakarroto might be Lobbyist
worcej might be Lobbyist

I could see news host worcej informing everyone that curfew enforcer Kakarroto was successful (might be confirmed by frogsterking getting the message failure, or at least high chances for that)
that would make brian the lobbyist and give damo double vote power today
although BK3K might be curfew enforcer instead and blocked bob delivering an item

It could also be that news host worcej informed everyone that lobbyist Kakarroto as successful (might be confirmed by frogsterking getting double vote power)
that could make BK3K the curfew enforcer that blocked bob delivering an item

If Frogsterking gets a success message, there is the chance that news host is actually Kakarroto

Still I see kinda too many success messages and with two failure messages outside this pool of four, I think we could have 2 mafia in those 6 (BK3K, Brian, worcej, Kakarroto, food, lfischl)