Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie, why with one hour to go do you pull up such an old post from fisch to justify your vote despite having Will on two confirmed lies/mistruths

Because it genuinely pinged me. Plus it wasn't *that* old. I don't care if you don't like this answer because it's the true reason.

[Kakarroto]

Hmm, about one and a half hour left to decide for joining the directed PR system or not.

I guess I can't expect answers from bozo and food for all my posts in that time. Hmm.

There aren't too many people taking officially part in the system. Around the half. Maybe some do but didn't say so yet.

Hmm. I think I'll let you know later what I do.

[brainbomb]

I expect worcej to have a certain je ne sais quoi in some aspect of his game, and im seeing no valid reasoning from him why anyone is scum.

granted im one of his targets but he doesnt really explain why im scum and instead just chooses to punish me for arguing with Jamie. I did not get the impression he felt there was any reason that I am engaging in scum theatre there.

[foodcoats]

yeah, that sums up my thoughts about the directed PR actions regarding fun.

Well, not the logic puzzle thing, I like some of those. They are pretty neat. But as a group effort in a command system where most just simply follow orders and give up their thinking, it's kinda not what I want from a mafia game. It just drags the fun out for most.

I DO like winning though, so I'm not completely disregarding taking part. just fyai

I want you to explain your vision of fun, Kak.

Example: tonight, you pick me. You get “Success.”

Okay, go ahead with the explanation of the fun this is for you and the other town members.

was there a successful nk? Then I know I'm not the doc
was there no nk? Chances are I AM the doc
do you claim your action didn't work? Pretty sure I'm curfew enforcer
is there no breakfast news show? I'm not the news host

nothing of the above happened? lets see if you got an increased vote. If not, I'm not the lobbyist.

so lets say there WAS an nk and you didn't claim your action didn't work. Lets also say there was a breakfast show and you were in the vote pool that had an increased vote count.

I could be curfew enforcer, news host and lobbyist. And mail man, to not forget it. Well a bit much, but lets say I target someone else and get another success.

Chances of being mail man go down.
If no claim their action was blocked, chances go down that I'm the curfew enforcer.
If breakfast news show happens and that target is ALSO is in the group of increased vote count, I'm pretty sure I'm lobbyist.

Now I can choose who I want to give increased voting power.

Looks pretty fun to me, wouldn't you say?

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Now lets compare it to the directed system:

XYZ told you to do action B. XYZ told you to report what you get. XYZ ordered you to do action C. XYZ ordered you to report what you get. XYZ commanded you to do action D. XYZ commanded you to report what you get.

WOW so much fun ... isn't it?

Right but you have examples with other claims involved.

[Jamiet99uk]

I know plenty of people have hassled you about your lfishl vote, so I'm sorry to bother you more, but Jamiet, can you explain why you moved from sweetandcool to lfishl?

I'm just shocked you didn't stick with me.

For the fairly weak reasons I have stated in my answers to other people. I don't have a different answer for you.

[Jamiet99uk]

worcej ISO really reinforces my gut that he is mafia.

Really? He seemed he normal recent self to me. Want to tell us more?

[brainbomb]

Can I just say no offense to babyspice but I feel like regardless of what my power is, it is going to pretty boring being used on baby spice who is probably town. They didnt even know how to send the GM a message to submit a night action, which if they were mafia theyd be in a discord and wouldnt even need to use the forum message system to send a night action. usually the discord template has a mafia actions section where scum members submit both their factional kills and their other night actions. Assuming monarch used the discord template, baby spice would have to be really playing dumb there to be anything other than spewed town now

[foodcoats]

Foodcoats,

given the fact Jamie did eventually scumread lfischl, and did choose lfischl over Justaguy named will, when you reread Jamie from early on, do you find it strange that there was this whole dialogue of me putting words in his mouth, where I understood his post to imply he scumread lfischl, when he was really just asking me for reasons to join the wagon?

A. why is he considering joining the lfischl wagon with me if he doesnt scumread lfischl at all?

B. why did you feel Jamie needed to be defended here, and given he did eventually turn on lfischl do you think this should be looked into further?

I'm not in the mood to read isos right now, my main goal is to convince everyone to act pro-town by coordinating night actions to get the most info for town to do POE tomorrow.

I am also planning to go into tomorrow with a fresh and clear head because I was so wrong about Will, so revisiting Jamie and lfischl is definitely a possible agenda item.

Also I wasn't defending Jamie so much as getting annoyed at how you were misreading his statements.

how big does you being so wrong about will influence your opinion of being correct that the directed system is fully pro-town? Where do you get your confidence that the directed system is fully pro-town?

They’re not connected at all.

My confidence is based on my analysis that I’ve explained already. Plus damo and bozo, who I trust to be vastly more sound with mechanics than me, seem to agree.

Seems good.

[brainbomb]

worcej ISO really reinforces my gut that he is mafia.

Really? He seemed he normal recent self to me. Want to tell us more?

No but you could use the internets and go look it up yourself? and make your own conclusions. you certainly can go ahead and go do that

[foodcoats]

worcej posts that feel scummy to me

basically everything on pages 42, 43 and 44 is all just pedestrian type of fluff that scum does to convince people theyre involved in the game. None of what he says there is what I am used to seeing from him when hes town

I have not gone back to iso them but worcej and Chaqa are playing very similar games and I think they both need more scrutiny tomorrow.

[foodcoats]

Can I just say no offense to babyspice but I feel like regardless of what my power is, it is going to pretty boring being used on baby spice who is probably town. They didnt even know how to send the GM a message to submit a night action, which if they were mafia theyd be in a discord and wouldnt even need to use the forum message system to send a night action. usually the discord template has a mafia actions section where scum members submit both their factional kills and their other night actions. Assuming monarch used the discord template, baby spice would have to be really playing dumb there to be anything other than spewed town now

Ah, that is a very neat townslip from baby, thank you for noting this bomb.

[brainbomb]

How is it normal and recent behavior for worcej to have 0 scumreads 72 hours into a game

[sweetandcool]

I know plenty of people have hassled you about your lfishl vote, so I'm sorry to bother you more, but Jamiet, can you explain why you moved from sweetandcool to lfishl?

I'm just shocked you didn't stick with me.

For the fairly weak reasons I have stated in my answers to other people. I don't have a different answer for you.

Ah, but now I'm realizing I am not talking about you breaking the tie. I'm talking about when you moved your vote from me to lfishl with an hour left.

I don't think you ever explained that? At least, I haven't found a reason yet.

[BunnyGo]

Chaqa is just so antitown that it becomes town...right??

Okay for sure we should not kill Frog

@brain this is his first post on 42-44 except for saying he's catching up. Seems legit.

[Kakarroto]

I'm not in the mood to read isos right now, my main goal is to convince everyone to act pro-town by coordinating night actions to get the most info for town to do POE tomorrow.

I am also planning to go into tomorrow with a fresh and clear head because I was so wrong about Will, so revisiting Jamie and lfischl is definitely a possible agenda item.

Also I wasn't defending Jamie so much as getting annoyed at how you were misreading his statements.

how big does you being so wrong about will influence your opinion of being correct that the directed system is fully pro-town? Where do you get your confidence that the directed system is fully pro-town?

They’re not connected at all.

My confidence is based on my analysis that I’ve explained already. Plus damo and bozo, who I trust to be vastly more sound with mechanics than me, seem to agree.

Seems good.

please link me your analysis

how are you so sure that damo and bozo are telling the truth and are town?

[Jamiet99uk]

I know plenty of people have hassled you about your lfishl vote, so I'm sorry to bother you more, but Jamiet, can you explain why you moved from sweetandcool to lfishl?

I'm just shocked you didn't stick with me.

For the fairly weak reasons I have stated in my answers to other people. I don't have a different answer for you.

Ah, but now I'm realizing I am not talking about you breaking the tie. I'm talking about when you moved your vote from me to lfishl with an hour left.

I don't think you ever explained that? At least, I haven't found a reason yet.

Yes I am answering from that point.

[brainbomb]

To be honest Jamie was outted as mafia the moment he started evaluating the people who had voted for justaguy named will, and his response was basically a joke.
Not to mention he managed to forget lfischl in his reads of will voters, despite the fact he was the first to commend the GM on adding lfischl to the vote tally.

I cant explain if he is just scum with lfischl or if hes just dancing around things to waste peoples time, but there is so little of chance of jamie being town at this point that if I am mistaken, I will actually join a trump rally and march on washington dc

[brainbomb]

Chaqa is just so antitown that it becomes town...right??

Okay for sure we should not kill Frog

@brain this is his first post on 42-44 except for saying he's catching up. Seems legit.

that for whatever reason would appear to be the only stance of any kind he took so far was that frog should be above even being looked at

[sweetandcool]

For the fairly weak reasons I have stated in my answers to other people. I don't have a different answer for you.

Ah, but now I'm realizing I am not talking about you breaking the tie. I'm talking about when you moved your vote from me to lfishl with an hour left.

I don't think you ever explained that? At least, I haven't found a reason yet.

Yes I am answering from that point.

Oh, okay. I guess your explanation is that you started scum reading him stronger. I'm just wondering where I lie in your scumreads, then.

[foodcoats]

how big does you being so wrong about will influence your opinion of being correct that the directed system is fully pro-town? Where do you get your confidence that the directed system is fully pro-town?

They’re not connected at all.

My confidence is based on my analysis that I’ve explained already. Plus damo and bozo, who I trust to be vastly more sound with mechanics than me, seem to agree.

Seems good.

please link me your analysis

how are you so sure that damo and bozo are telling the truth and are town?

Maybe analysis is a strong word. I think that if we don’t share information, we can do little in isolation. Even your point about doctor is off - the NKer could be curfew enforced.