Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[brainbomb]

TLDR
don't expect us to do things for you and make assumptions for you and believe you just had thoughts that aren't shown anywhere. Especially if you plan to lambast the others who do this very thing. A thing you profess to find irksome and completely contrary to how the game should be played.

It is a scummy double standard and I cannot envision you being town and leaving so much off the table.

[Jamiet99uk]

1. There were four posts, not three.

2. I said "a more critical lens" not "a much more critical lens". Why are you trying to add heavy emphasis to things in this way?

3. I did not say he became my top scumread; I said I began scumreading him. Why are you trying to add heavy emphasis to things in this way?

He became one of the people in my scum pool partly because his post about meeting participation requirements appeared deeply insincere without coming across as a joke. I am not claiming that I then constructed an open-and-shut case on him.

1. the fourth post after page 37 is you changing your vote over to avoid the tie. I hardly think this reinforces the argument that you had put pressure on lfischl, and had viewed him with a more critical lens.

2." I said "a more critical lens" not "a much more critical lens". Why are you trying to add heavy emphasis to things in this way?"
Because you also scumread Justaguynamed will as of page 37, but at end of day with no reason as to why you preferred someone else, who you had never talked about, who you claim you viewed under a critical lens but there is no evidence in the forum or anywhere to suggest you were intensifying your read on him

3. "I did not say he became my top scumread; I said I began scumreading him. Why are you trying to add heavy emphasis to things in this way?"
Again, you preferred this option over someone else you scumread, and there is no evidence anywhere as to why. The heavy emphasis is because this would appear to be fraudulent, made up reasons to scumread lfischl, reasons you cant cite for anyone, and a ramping up of this feeling that is not displayed anywhere in the framework of the game thread. this is something you are expressly against, and would not allow someone else to get away with. You are creating a double standard for yourself that you can purport to scumread someone and provide no trail of why, but expect us to read your mind as to when and why it happened.
Purely reading the forum as of page 37 the only logical conclusion anyone could reach is that you were annoyed lfischl noticed your unvote reads list. there really is no other stated reasons provided or evidence of you moving that direction, or why you preferred him.

Why does my post *on* page 37 not count?

Why only posts *after* page 37?

Since you want more, I think I have mentioned, but I became a little doubtful of my earlier stance on Will, partly due to Bob's goading. I was wavering on thr question of what if Will was just Bad Town and his apparent lie about bozo was a genuine error.

One thing you keep overlooking is that I had to make a split-second decision and that decision was not based on deep, careful analysis. It was a split second call to avoid a tie.

[foodcoats]

No Jamiet, so proud of you for not doing so thus far <3

It's a bit of a joke post.

But brainbomb registers where I expect and I think is Town.

Jamiet is feeling a bit less where I expect and I think is more likely Mafia.

But I phrased it as a joke because I haven't put in any work yet and consequently I don't have much to backy reads.

There is some chance you are both Mafia, but I actually don't think so. At least, if I compare your bickering with when I did the same as brainbomb's teammate.

So what does:

"Jamiet is feeling a bit less where I expect and I think is more likely Mafia."

Mean? What is less like you expect that makes him more likely to be mafia?

I expect more tea and crumpet emojis.

Well you logged off sweet but I'll repost this, Jamie is scum because he's not crumpeting enough tea. That's a lock in my books.

[brainbomb]

babyspice666 → lfischl
BK3K → Nephthys
BobMcBob → sweetandcool
bozotheclown → worcej
Brainbomb → babyspice666
BunnyGo → BK3K
Chaqa → BobMcBob
Damo666 → bozotheclown
Diplomacy&Warfare → brainbomb
foodcoats → BunnyGo
Frogsterking → Chaqa
Hamilton Brian → damo666
heartthrob24909 → Diplomacy&Warfare
Jamiet99uk → foodcoats
Kakarroto → Frogsterking
lfischl → Hamilton Brian
Nephthys → heartthrob24909
sweetandcool → Jamiet99uk
Worcej → Kakarroto

Implied compliance emboldened in red.

[Jamiet99uk]

TLDR
don't expect us to do things for you and make assumptions for you and believe you just had thoughts that aren't shown anywhere. Especially if you plan to lambast the others who do this very thing. A thing you profess to find irksome and completely contrary to how the game should be played.

It is a scummy double standard and I cannot envision you being town and leaving so much off the table.

I am answering your questions. I am granting you a lot of my time and attention.

[Jamiet99uk]

TLDR
don't expect us to do things for you and make assumptions for you and believe you just had thoughts that aren't shown anywhere. Especially if you plan to lambast the others who do this very thing. A thing you profess to find irksome and completely contrary to how the game should be played.

It is a scummy double standard and I cannot envision you being town and leaving so much off the table.

I am answering your questions. I am granting you a lot of my time and attention.

If you don't realise that a split-second vote to break a tie at EoD is fundamentally different from someone making a case halfway through a day, you surprise me. You know enough about this game to be aware there's a difference.

[BunnyGo]

I am 30 pages behind due to managing sick kids since before EoD.

Do we have a plan or mechanics decision on what to do? I am not going to easily catch up as I continue to shuttle to doctors appointments.

you target kaka.

if you're happy going along with this schema.

I confirm this is the case (ie Bunny is not trying to screw you or the system)

Serious question, @damo: what about my past play as scum or town makes you feel the need to confirm this? Do you think I'd attempt such a "screw with you or the system" play as either alignment?

[Hamilton Brian]

Holy cow, there's way more N1 conversation than I was expecting.

So I am targeting damo, yeah?

[foodcoats]

Holy cow, there's way more N1 conversation than I was expecting.

So I am targeting damo, yeah?

Yes.

Hey, we haven’t talked much yet. What are your big scums/towns right now?

[brainbomb]

Why does my post *on* page 37 not count?

Why only posts *after* page 37?

Since you want more, I think I have mentioned, but I became a little doubtful of my earlier stance on Will, partly due to Bob's goading. I was wavering on thr question of what if Will was just Bad Town and his apparent lie about bozo was a genuine error.

One thing you keep overlooking is that I had to make a split-second decision and that decision was not based on deep, careful analysis. It was a split second call to avoid a tie.

Why does my post *on* page 37 not count?
Because you spent significant energy on holding a nuanced position on lfischl early game, critiquing the way I was pushing there. You focused more in my lack of providing evidence to my thought process then you did to explaining your own null position. it would've been incredibly easy to type null, and say you null read him. instead your stance was that you dont townread him, and would consider voting him. and later when I assumed that meant he was a scumread of yours you jumped three miles out of your skin with backing from foodcoats to claim you NEVER scumread him whatsoever.

Why only posts *after* page 37?
I dont know what you want me to look at, but you didnt talk about lfischl at all after he points out your scumread includes an unvote. I have no idea why your scumreads are listed in some random order that isnt based on the strength of them. I dont understand even now who your top scumread was. I actually dont even know who your current top scumread is NOW?? As for this question, this feels like you want me to waste time getting sucked into some sequential crap about why this format or why this time frame. You didnt articulate the read at all, or why it became preferential until now.

One thing you keep overlooking is that I had to make a split-second decision and that decision was not based on deep, careful analysis. It was a split second call to avoid a tie.

Sure, lets talk about that.
You made a split second decision by taking a very nuanced route to do so. That tells me there is a deep thought in play there. You can keep denying there isnt, but how can you make a split second nuanced decision. That just doesnt add up.

It would be like if someone asked you and you only have three seconds to answer, who do you support in Israel vs Palestine, and you went into supporting Israel without explanation.

That would be what we call Nuance, we know Jamie supports Palestine. SO if Jamie answers Israel here, we know there must be some nuance to the answer.

Compare to Jamie scumreads both Will and Lfischl and can break the tie by voting one of his scumreads, Jamie instead chooses a nuanced direction to break the tie by voting someone who has no chance of being the flip. Which lends itself to saying you didnt want to be on the will wagon.

I dont know why thats hard for you to confess, but its pretty obvious. So youre just scum.

[brainbomb]

TLDR
don't expect us to do things for you and make assumptions for you and believe you just had thoughts that aren't shown anywhere. Especially if you plan to lambast the others who do this very thing. A thing you profess to find irksome and completely contrary to how the game should be played.

It is a scummy double standard and I cannot envision you being town and leaving so much off the table.

I am answering your questions. I am granting you a lot of my time and attention.

If you don't realise that a split-second vote to break a tie at EoD is fundamentally different from someone making a case halfway through a day, you surprise me. You know enough about this game to be aware there's a difference.

No Jamie. I do understand all of that. Because I understand you dont tolerate people who play the way you played that. You dont allow people to coast by without explaining themselves. These are YOUR rules for proper play. And you arent able to show evidence of YOU following them.

[BunnyGo]

babyspice666 → lfischl
BK3K → Nephthys
BobMcBob → sweetandcool
bozotheclown → worcej
Brainbomb → babyspice666
BunnyGo → BK3K
Chaqa → BobMcBob
Damo666 → bozotheclown
Diplomacy&Warfare → brainbomb
foodcoats → BunnyGo
Frogsterking → Chaqa
Hamilton Brian → damo666
heartthrob24909 → Diplomacy&Warfare
Jamiet99uk → foodcoats
Kakarroto → Frogsterking
lfischl → Hamilton Brian
Nephthys → heartthrob24909
sweetandcool → Jamiet99uk
Worcej → Kakarroto

This is the definitive list. E.g. I target bozo.

Follow it or not, the choice is yours.

could someone explain how this list was created? and how we are supposed to do our night action?

You message the GM either via WebDiplomacy's mail system (where you received your role assignment...you can just reply to that message) OR if you have been in touch with the GM via Discord you can use that too.

[brainbomb]

The only counter arguments you have left is just going to be conjecture and trying to flip the narrative of what you actually did it, how much you really bought into it, and hoping to provide people with a revisionist history of what you did.

That for me cements your guilt, the hypocrisy alone is overwhelming evidence of you needing to be eliminated next.

I have no further comments on the subject. Please destroy Jamie tomorrow.

[damo666]

you target kaka.

if you're happy going along with this schema.

I confirm this is the case (ie Bunny is not trying to screw you or the system)

Serious question, @damo: what about my past play as scum or town makes you feel the need to confirm this? Do you think I'd attempt such a "screw with you or the system" play as either alignment?

worcej stuck for time, I was merely confirming so he didn't have to think or worry about it, nothing more. The fact I was confirming you was irrelevant. Two people saying the same thing should be sufficent to put worcej's mind at rest and we thus get compliance.

[damo666]

I imagine that at this stage I am not the only player not bothering to read the brain/Jamie back and forth.

[foodcoats]

Compare to Jamie scumreads both Will and Lfischl and can break the tie by voting one of his scumreads, Jamie instead chooses a nuanced direction to break the tie by voting someone who has no chance of being the flip. Which lends itself to saying you didnt want to be on the will wagon.

Sorry to clip your post, just want to focus on this part.

In reviewing Jamie's iso, he scumread all three of these players - Will, lfischl and Burger King 3000. So in theory it was "okay" for him to vote for him any of them.

But, I can see how moving off-lead-wagons versus just voting for Will is scummy in this spot, as it maybe gets him away from the limelight of VCA over time.

Very interesting, thank you bomb.

[foodcoats]

I imagine that at this stage I am not the only player not bothering to read the brain/Jamie back and forth.

I think in general there is a significant number of players who aren't reading the game at all.

[sweetandcool]

I imagine that at this stage I am not the only player not bothering to read the brain/Jamie back and forth.

I think in general there is a significant number of players who aren't reading the game at all.

I doubt that.

[Chaqa]

My mom is at the ER. She’s okay for now but I might be a bit absent here and there.

I’ve updated my order to Bob

best of wishes good sir. hope all is ok

Waiting on an MRI to fully confirm that it wasn't a stroke, but they think she's been having atypical migraines with neurological symptoms. I didn't know that was a thing, but if that's all it is, it's pretty simple to treat.

[Nephthys]

My mom is at the ER. She’s okay for now but I might be a bit absent here and there.

I’ve updated my order to Bob

best of wishes good sir. hope all is ok

Waiting on an MRI to fully confirm that it wasn't a stroke, but they think she's been having atypical migraines with neurological symptoms. I didn't know that was a thing, but if that's all it is, it's pretty simple to treat.

Here’s hoping!
V impressive MRI access though