Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[BunnyGo]

@Jamie/brain: why don't we take a break and resume this discussion in the day phase when we have more to work with?

Okay.

I've made myself a nice mug of maple tea.

Stop everything....


WTF is maple tea?

How do you make it?

[Chaqa]

So you dont care how Jamie reads the players on a wagon where town died?

In theory I do care, but I only have so many things to track at any time, and Jamie has read town to me so he isn't one of those things.

[brainbomb]

JustAGuyNamedWill (7)
Diplomacy&Warfare* foodcoats bozotheclown Hamilton Brian brainbomb babyspice666, lfischl

D&W is a new player who contributed minimally day 1. This is a prime candidate for possible scum.

foodcoats was a vocal town leader who had reasons for suspecting Justaguy and food is the least likely to be scum of these voters imo.

bozo was a possible scum day 1 but overall my scum-read on them is just guessing they randed that way. Being part of this elim does not radically increase anything for me to believe hes mafia.

Hamilton had some decent posts and yet didn't do a lot. being part of a town death does not help Hamilton here and only increases scum
possibility.

brain- I was part of this death and it wasn't in my top 5 or 6 scum-reads. I mostly joined this out of curiosity but killing a town here should by no means be a good look for me

babyspice is someone new who barely played. the fact they ended up here will require a lot of explanation given the severe lack of involvement so far

lfischl ending up here does not help their town status. however he was widely scumread and was a wagon d1. lfischl had no reason to help break the tie here if he was mafia so this actually helps my opinion of him a little


in sum I think at least one scum was on here and its possibly a new player or its just Hamilton

reposting these thoughts on the Will wagon for visibility.

[Chaqa]

Do you want to see his answers to my question regarding his opinions of the voters on Will?

Not really. Asking people questions is kinda moot when they can just lie.

Hang on, if you aren't massclaiming or asking questions, what are you doing? There's value in forcing people to lie.

Observing for now. There's little things that I find to be very telling. For example, you made a post earlier that more or less convinced me you're town, simply because I don't think mafia would think to make the post.

[Chaqa]

Do you want to see his answers to my question regarding his opinions of the voters on Will?

Not really. Asking people questions is kinda moot when they can just lie.

This explains a great deal about your approach to the game.

Actions speak much louder than words.

[brainbomb]

So you dont care how Jamie reads the players on a wagon where town died?

In theory I do care, but I only have so many things to track at any time, and Jamie has read town to me so he isn't one of those things.

I think the most important data points to track, apart from actual posts would be looking at who died and who is probably evil that caused their death

[BunnyGo]

Not really. Asking people questions is kinda moot when they can just lie.

This explains a great deal about your approach to the game.

Actions speak much louder than words.

NOT IF YOU USE A MEGAPHONE

[Chaqa]

This explains a great deal about your approach to the game.

Actions speak much louder than words.

NOT IF YOU USE A MEGAPHONE

Using a megaphone is in itself an action

[brainbomb]

I am happy to do that:

Diplomacy&Warfare - Null
foodcoats - Town
bozotheclown - Town
Hamilton Brian - Oh Jeebus he can't have drawn scum again, can he?
brainbomb - Lean town
babyspice666 - Yikes, why did you tie it??

Are you willing to expand on why bozo is town, and if you are saying hamilton couldnt be scum because of a gamblers fallacy? im struggling to understand what youre saying.

And then do you ascribe guilt on babyspice for attempting to tie it?

Im unclear what stances these are and why

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie/brain: why don't we take a break and resume this discussion in the day phase when we have more to work with?

Okay.

I've made myself a nice mug of maple tea.

Stop everything....

WTF is maple tea?

How do you make it?

It is tea which has been flavoured with maple syrup. The tea leaves are treated with maple syrup and then dried. You drink it black, and it is quite strong, but also quite sweet.

You don't really see it in the UK. I have Canadian friends who bring it back to me as a gift, usually with a bottle of good quality maple syrup too.

[BunnyGo]

Okay.

I've made myself a nice mug of maple tea.

Stop everything....

WTF is maple tea?

How do you make it?

It is tea which has been flavoured with maple syrup. The tea leaves are treated with maple syrup and then dried. You drink it black, and it is quite strong, but also quite sweet.

You don't really see it in the UK. I have Canadian friends who bring it back to me as a gift, usually with a bottle of good quality maple syrup too.

Ah...yeah...we've got a lot of maple whiskey here too.

But yeah, snow days are usually feeding my kids maple snow.

I was thinking you brewed tea and then poured syrup in.

[brainbomb]

Im not sure babyspice is experienced enough at forum mafia to consciously know that tying the vote is better for scum there.

Hi everyone!! Sorry for the late post, just getting caught up on everything now. going to take me a bit to read it all but ill post my thoughts once I've gone through the pages

hi still here and reading, promise i will vote before the day ends

okay popping back in, ive read most of the thread and I'm going to ##vote Just

However I have a hard time fully believing that they read most of the thread, and they never posted any thoughts after saying they would do so.

Who is friends with this person and how do they usually play mafia?

[foodcoats]

This is why this is bad line of reasoning.

Scum clearly prefer town would not mass claim.

However, scum will also likely either be pro-mass claim in the thread or remain silent, specifically because of this whole debate.

NICE!!! WE AGREE!!! TOWN SHOULD MASS CLAIM BECAUSE IT IS BEST FOR TOWN!!! YEAH BUDDY!!!

I'm still not gonna go along with your plan

You don't want what you yourself admit is best for town? Why?

[Jamiet99uk]

Actions speak much louder than words.

NOT IF YOU USE A MEGAPHONE

Using a megaphone is in itself an action

Especially if you club your opponent over the head with the megaphone.

[Jamiet99uk]

Stop everything....

WTF is maple tea?

How do you make it?

It is tea which has been flavoured with maple syrup. The tea leaves are treated with maple syrup and then dried. You drink it black, and it is quite strong, but also quite sweet.

You don't really see it in the UK. I have Canadian friends who bring it back to me as a gift, usually with a bottle of good quality maple syrup too.

Ah...yeah...we've got a lot of maple whiskey here too.

But yeah, snow days are usually feeding my kids maple snow.

I was thinking you brewed tea and then poured syrup in.

You can do that as well.

I occasionally put maple syrup in my coffee.

[BunnyGo]

Im not sure babyspice is experienced enough at forum mafia to consciously know that tying the vote is better for scum there.

Hi everyone!! Sorry for the late post, just getting caught up on everything now. going to take me a bit to read it all but ill post my thoughts once I've gone through the pages

hi still here and reading, promise i will vote before the day ends

okay popping back in, ive read most of the thread and I'm going to ##vote Just

However I have a hard time fully believing that they read most of the thread, and they never posted any thoughts after saying they would do so.

Who is friends with this person and how do they usually play mafia?

heart said he introduced her to the game. Told me he even walked her through what to expect early last week.

[foodcoats]

Probably both. Particularly when the massclaim is not a clear path to town victory, I see no reason why the scumteam would willingly place themselves all on one or the other side of this debate.

Okay, but what outcome do you think scum would prefer?

I would think the massclaim. CC's tend to be worrying as scum and this has the potential to generate some, if rather slowly. Although tbh, they'd probably prefer a botched massclaim attempt. It gives them more information about people's roles while putting them at very little risk of getting CC'd, as Kak noted in his simulation earlier (I think). I don't like the way this is headed.

Okay, thank you. I am confused as to why you think scum would want a mass claim that would cause counterclaims that would be problematic for them, but I take your grander point to be that a botched mass claim could be helpful for them, and they would want that. (And, that a successful mass claim would be bad for scum.)

If I understand you correctly, we essentially agree that the failure to properly claim is a reason that scum would, right now, be attempting to undermine town's attempts to organize. In other words, scum would, right now, be discouraging mass claiming.

[BunnyGo]

It is tea which has been flavoured with maple syrup. The tea leaves are treated with maple syrup and then dried. You drink it black, and it is quite strong, but also quite sweet.

You don't really see it in the UK. I have Canadian friends who bring it back to me as a gift, usually with a bottle of good quality maple syrup too.

Ah...yeah...we've got a lot of maple whiskey here too.

But yeah, snow days are usually feeding my kids maple snow.

I was thinking you brewed tea and then poured syrup in.

You can do that as well.

I occasionally put maple syrup in my coffee.

Yeah...there's a reason I buy it by the gallon.

Probably need to just start tapping my trees. Can drink the sap without boiling.

Now...can you go read my post where I spelled things out for you and asked what you were thinking?

Here it is:

I literally moved my vote to avoid a tie.

The question Brainbomb and Sweet were speculating about was why I preferred to move to Lfischl rather than JustWill. So I commented on that.

You are skimming quickly and asking questions that you could see the answers to if you slowed down and looked at the context.

Sorry if I seem tetchy but you're doing Bob's thing where you ask a question about a single post in isolation even though that post is very obviously one part of a conversation. It's annoying because it requires redundant extra posts to answer even though the context was already plainly available.

I understood and read all that.

You had 2 options once you decide to change vote to avoid tie:

1) swap leading wagons
2) leave leading wagons entirely

Advantage of option 1: makes a 2 vote lead so a new person joining doesn't tie again

Disadvantage of option 1: If someone on other wagon cross posts same thing....you guys retie

Advantage of option 2: It's less commonly done, AND if nobody else does it, then there's an odd number of people on the leading wagons now so a tie is impossible.

Disadvantage of option 2: If someone outside the wagons joins...may recause a tie.


I assumed you had this in mind. But you really were voting your preference at the literal last second when your motivation was to avoid a tie?

[Chaqa]

NICE!!! WE AGREE!!! TOWN SHOULD MASS CLAIM BECAUSE IT IS BEST FOR TOWN!!! YEAH BUDDY!!!

I'm still not gonna go along with your plan

You don't want what you yourself admit is best for town? Why?

I'm not gonna sit here and be guilt tripped. I got enough of that growing up.

[BunnyGo]

I'm still not gonna go along with your plan

You don't want what you yourself admit is best for town? Why?

I'm not gonna sit here and be guilt tripped. I got enough of that growing up.

Is good practice for your upcoming parenting