Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[brainbomb]

Not the same thing.

I am saying that in the case of Bunny's present nonsense, he was focusing on my post and ignoring the conversation.

You, meanwhile, often expect people to read your mind. I would rather not delve into that swamp.

I expect people to do some leg work and have a basic modicum of making logical inferences. something you consistently fail to do after 8 years of playing the game. if it isnt spelled out in bloody detail for you with diagrams, pictures, graphs and quotes you become this wookie in the thread flailing around about how everything is so confusing.

My brain works the way my brain works. I cannot change the functioning of my brain to suit your particular neuro-divergences. Get over it.

Alright. I accept you the way you are. Ive been having to "deal" with you all these years doing this same routine to me over and over. And yet we keep doing this anyway.

[Chaqa]

Chaqa, you mentioned the two most net negative outcomes possible for me. that I come back as guilty, or that you shoot me. Is that the extent of how you view my play so far - that I am so anti town and so loud that I could only either be mafia, or deserving of just dying?

I guess I find that really surprising, or is it just purely you dislike top posting players and want the game to be smaller?

Why are we talking about shooting again?

There isn't a vigilante in play.

A shot rings out!

[foodcoats]

So currently Bob, Chaqa and lfischl are vocally opposed to trying to coordinate our roles to get information because it “isn’t fun.” I find that really strange… maybe I’m just a competitive person? Do most of you not care about trying to win? Why play?

They are a combination of obstinate morons and/or scum.

Or people who want to actually make their own choices with their roles and not be forced into some scheme.

Oh what’s your role again?

[brainbomb]

I don't want to choose someone I strongly townread in case I have a negative effect. I plan to choose brain because he's the highest volume poster.

If I get a scan that indicates him as scum, the game thread becomes shorter and easier to read, and if it indicates him as town, it means I should actually pay attention to what he says.

If it kills him, see the first point.

how would your night action on me kill me instantly if there is no town killing action?

[Jamiet99uk]

the specific reason for you refusing to cast a vote on the lead wagon would be that multiple scum partners of yours are already on said wagon --- or that No scum are on said wagon and you wanted to keep it that way.

those are examples of why you could be mafia and deliberately avoided casting a meaningful vote.

I assume this refers to me.

My vote was extremely meaningful because it prevented a tie. I had to make a split-second decision. Clearly I should not have bothered. I will not seek to break ties in future, I am learning my lesson, thank you.

Maybe you should read this again and respond to the scenarios where you did this because youre mafia. And discuss if you agree with those being possible things you would have done if you were mafia

Where were such scenarios presented, can you link me to the post?

I don't see why as Mafia I would be "unable" to vote for JustWill, knowing he was town. As Mafia I would be happy with JustWill's flip, I think.

[Chaqa]

They are a combination of obstinate morons and/or scum.

Or people who want to actually make their own choices with their roles and not be forced into some scheme.

Oh what’s your role again?

Oh, it's [REDACTED]

[Jamiet99uk]

I expect people to do some leg work and have a basic modicum of making logical inferences. something you consistently fail to do after 8 years of playing the game. if it isnt spelled out in bloody detail for you with diagrams, pictures, graphs and quotes you become this wookie in the thread flailing around about how everything is so confusing.

My brain works the way my brain works. I cannot change the functioning of my brain to suit your particular neuro-divergences. Get over it.

Alright. I accept you the way you are. Ive been having to "deal" with you all these years doing this same routine to me over and over. And yet we keep doing this anyway.

Then maybe the next time I ask you to provide a simple clarification, you could just answer me, instead of insisting on having a screaming match?

That would be nice.

[Chaqa]

I don't want to choose someone I strongly townread in case I have a negative effect. I plan to choose brain because he's the highest volume poster.

If I get a scan that indicates him as scum, the game thread becomes shorter and easier to read, and if it indicates him as town, it means I should actually pay attention to what he says.

If it kills him, see the first point.

how would your night action on me kill me instantly if there is no town killing action?

TBH I just assumed role madness would have at least one or two killing roles. I haven't actually read the role list.

[Jamiet99uk]

Or people who want to actually make their own choices with their roles and not be forced into some scheme.

Oh what’s your role again?

Oh, it's [REDACTED]

He's lying!

I counter-claim. [REDACTED] is my role, it says so in my PM.

[foodcoats]

Or people who want to actually make their own choices with their roles and not be forced into some scheme.

Oh what’s your role again?

Oh, it's [REDACTED]

Ah, great. Can you explain the choices that role gets?

[brainbomb]

Jamie,

I said IF YOU WERE MAFIA, you would maybe be unable to vote for Will because multiple mafia, maybe even your entire mafia team is already voting for Will and you wanted to avoid having all of the mafia on the same wagon.

OR, none of the mafia was on Will at all, and you savored such an option and chose to keep it devoid of any additional mafia.

these are both things you would think about if you were scum there. you cant tell me you arent aware enough to even think about what you maybe wouldve done if you were mafia.

[Chaqa]

Oh what’s your role again?

Oh, it's [REDACTED]

Ah, great. Can you explain the choices that role gets?

I get to choose a person at night to perform my action on

[BobMcBob]

A question for all the good people…

Who thinks that scum don’t care about us mass claiming?

SCUM CARE ABOUT TOWN MASS CLAIMING
1.
2.
3…

SCUM DON’T CARE ABOUT TOWN MASS CLAIMING
1.
2.
3…

what is this question? That's from the same guy that criticised that my naming of the 'directed PR-actions'? OF COURSE mafia cares about a town claiming, in all cases. If it hurts them or if it's useful for them. They absolutely care, but do they love it or do they hate it? Well THAT is a question you DIDN'T ask.

You are very, very strange and I expect you to have a very agenda with all this phrasing and rephrasing. I don't see what brain sees in you that he has you as lock-town and you should be very closely scrutinized!

Okay, I’ll rephrase. Do you think scum will ENCOURAGE or DISCOURAGE mass claiming?

Probably both. Particularly when the massclaim is not a clear path to town victory, I see no reason why the scumteam would willingly place themselves all on one or the other side of this debate.

[foodcoats]

I don't want to choose someone I strongly townread in case I have a negative effect. I plan to choose brain because he's the highest volume poster.

If I get a scan that indicates him as scum, the game thread becomes shorter and easier to read, and if it indicates him as town, it means I should actually pay attention to what he says.

If it kills him, see the first point.

how would your night action on me kill me instantly if there is no town killing action?

TBH I just assumed role madness would have at least one or two killing roles. I haven't actually read the role list.

Ah, so as I suggested before, you probably don’t understand the game or why your approach is suboptimal (or you want town to act suboptimally).

[Chaqa]

what is this question? That's from the same guy that criticised that my naming of the 'directed PR-actions'? OF COURSE mafia cares about a town claiming, in all cases. If it hurts them or if it's useful for them. They absolutely care, but do they love it or do they hate it? Well THAT is a question you DIDN'T ask.

You are very, very strange and I expect you to have a very agenda with all this phrasing and rephrasing. I don't see what brain sees in you that he has you as lock-town and you should be very closely scrutinized!

Okay, I’ll rephrase. Do you think scum will ENCOURAGE or DISCOURAGE mass claiming?

Probably both. Particularly when the massclaim is not a clear path to town victory, I see no reason why the scumteam would willingly place themselves all on one or the other side of this debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdD206eSv0

[Chaqa]

how would your night action on me kill me instantly if there is no town killing action?

TBH I just assumed role madness would have at least one or two killing roles. I haven't actually read the role list.

Ah, so as I suggested before, you probably don’t understand the game or why your approach is suboptimal (or you want town to act suboptimally).

It's a role madness game where everyone doesn't know their role. The rest is just unimportant until we have some actual results.

[foodcoats]

what is this question? That's from the same guy that criticised that my naming of the 'directed PR-actions'? OF COURSE mafia cares about a town claiming, in all cases. If it hurts them or if it's useful for them. They absolutely care, but do they love it or do they hate it? Well THAT is a question you DIDN'T ask.

You are very, very strange and I expect you to have a very agenda with all this phrasing and rephrasing. I don't see what brain sees in you that he has you as lock-town and you should be very closely scrutinized!

Okay, I’ll rephrase. Do you think scum will ENCOURAGE or DISCOURAGE mass claiming?

Probably both. Particularly when the massclaim is not a clear path to town victory, I see no reason why the scumteam would willingly place themselves all on one or the other side of this debate.

Okay, but what outcome do you think scum would prefer?

[foodcoats]

TBH I just assumed role madness would have at least one or two killing roles. I haven't actually read the role list.

Ah, so as I suggested before, you probably don’t understand the game or why your approach is suboptimal (or you want town to act suboptimally).

It's a role madness game where everyone doesn't know their role. The rest is just unimportant until we have some actual results.

There’s this great idea out there about how we can get the most informative results.

[BunnyGo]

BabySpice voted with around 1 minute to go until the deadline. Until that vote was cast there was no tie to break. I had a choice between acting at the very last second, or not acting at all.

It is both of you who are being weird by suggesting that I had some pre-meditated plan.

I would not be surprised if one of you is scum trying to create noise and smoke in the thread by getting me annoyed. BunnyGo has history of doing that; you are apparently just a naturally annoying person, Bob. So I wonder which of you it is.

Why doesn’t your post facto explanation match your stated goals? You have ascribed competing goals and narrative to your action. I have paid this out both with clearly stated logic which you’ve ignored and more emotional ways. You’ve responded with ad hominem attacks.

Wherefor Jamie?

What are you talking about?

I voted Lfischl to break the tie.

Brainbomb and Sweet were having a conversation about why I chose Lfischl for that vote and not JustWill. Brainbomb was implying I had some specific reason for not being able to vote for JustWill (which doesn't make a lot of sense). I replied to explain that I very simply preferred Lfischl over JustWill in that moment.

What is it you don't understand about that response?

Why are you not reading the VERY detailed logically written post I already made about this JUST FOR YOU and asking me to rewrite it all again?

[Chaqa]

This is why this is bad line of reasoning.

Scum clearly prefer town would not mass claim.

However, scum will also likely either be pro-mass claim in the thread or remain silent, specifically because of this whole debate.