Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Jamiet99uk]

A question for all the good people…

Who thinks that scum don’t care about us mass claiming?

SCUM CARE ABOUT TOWN MASS CLAIMING
1.
2.
3…

SCUM DON’T CARE ABOUT TOWN MASS CLAIMING
1.
2.
3…

I think scum *would* care.

[BobMcBob]

Bob why are you analyzing the sweet wagon?

I was wondering why it seemed to just disappear from contention (it didn't really, but at that point I'd already written half an analysis so sunk-cost fallacy won out). I did note that it's a bit of a silly thing to analyse. I would like answers from food though.

[BobMcBob]

So currently Bob, Chaqa and lfischl are vocally opposed to trying to coordinate our roles to get information because it “isn’t fun.” I find that really strange… maybe I’m just a competitive person? Do most of you not care about trying to win? Why play?

If I wanted to solve a formula, I'd be playing Excel.

Logic puzzles are an inherent part of the game of Mafia.

If you don't like that, may I suggest Mario Kart?

I second that, Mario Kart is good fun with friends.

[Jamiet99uk]

Of particular note is that Jamie effort to ensure no ties was to vote lfischl which implies he just fundamentally couldnt vote justaguy.

Maybe Jamiet was trying out my method and legitimately forgot that Will wasn't his teammate.

Funny.

I preferred Lfischl over JustWill, that's all.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bozo is correct. @Jamie to select someone to select up or down.

Back in 6 to 7 hours.

Alright.

I nominate Chaqa.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bob why are you analyzing the sweet wagon?

Why shouldn't he?

[Kakarroto]

Ok, caught up.

First, this is the current state of where people stand:

Directed PR-actions D1 over free-for-all?

YEA: bozo, damo, Jamie, heart (and if I'm not wrong, food too? didn't really vote but I think his stance is quite clear)

NEY: lfischl, sweet, bob, chaqa

??? (explain below): BK3K (does what group thinks is smartest - so I think YEA but only in majority?)

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(ney but would still follow if majority is up to: lfischl, sweet) (lfischl retracted his support I think in post number 1384?)

(9/19 voted)

I'm currently uncertain on the fence. However with what I've read and think about it, I tend more to NEY. After I woke up I was thinking it might be fine, but foods strange stance made me ponder.

But let me list advantages/disadvantages:

-) If reaching 100% role-knowledge early enough, town autowins (well that is also true if we don't use the system, but I guess it can still be counted as an advantage?)
-) scans/actions are saved for later/don't require special effort saving
-) mafia needs to pin in their options early if they want to fake claim
-) speeds up finding out own role (effect starts only after SoD3 though)

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-) gives mafia information for their nk (starts with N2 if we reveal D2; N3 if we reveal EoN2) which probably helps their PR hunt
-) takes initiative away from town which might probably lead to decreased fun/morale/investment
-) it's not a slam dunk win chance


Hmm ... maybe I'm overlooking something but that kinda sums it up, no? Please tell me if I'm overlooking something.

That tradeoff between giving mafia information and forcing them to lock their fake messages is the crux, I think. I'm not sure I value that high enough to handshake it.

Saving the messages can easily be done if people are diligent posting them when they are voted out. There are also ways to hide them in your posts, some people would call it 'crumb', so I wouldn't be too worried about that.

I also think that the "finding your own role", or how much it speeds it up, is overrated by some people here. It shouldn't take too long to have a grasp on things and have at least a probability for two to four roles. People should be able to work with that.

Yeah, hmm, I'm not convinced it's a good idea to use the system. Especially not if we just blurt out what we got on D2. I'm on NAY for this one.

Feel free to enlighten me if I'm overlooking something or am wrong with a perspective.

[Kakarroto]

Also, page 79 is mine. MIIINE. MIIIINNE ALOOOOONE! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Kakarroto]

A question for all the good people…

Who thinks that scum don’t care about us mass claiming?

SCUM CARE ABOUT TOWN MASS CLAIMING
1.
2.
3…

SCUM DON’T CARE ABOUT TOWN MASS CLAIMING
1.
2.
3…

I think scum *would* care.

what are your thoughts of foods phrasing? Do you see a situation where mafia wouldn't care?

[Kakarroto]

Bozo is correct. @Jamie to select someone to select up or down.

Back in 6 to 7 hours.

Alright.

I nominate Chaqa.

So chaqa now decides if we count up 4 or down 4, right? Basically decides between the two lists I posted (if I didn't make a mistake that is)?

[Jamiet99uk]

A question for all the good people…

Who thinks that scum don’t care about us mass claiming?

SCUM CARE ABOUT TOWN MASS CLAIMING
1.
2.
3…

SCUM DON’T CARE ABOUT TOWN MASS CLAIMING
1.
2.
3…

I think scum *would* care.

what are your thoughts of foods phrasing? Do you see a situation where mafia wouldn't care?

I read "care" to mean "would rather it did not happen because they would feel it harms them".

[BunnyGo]

trying to by my sympathy with voting up my posts, chaqa?

grmph I want to say how dare you, but it's kinda working ...

would scum kaka bpost this?

scub kaka dosn't like to take people out of the game. he just wants to have fun and play with friendss and solwve a puzze.

So...why...?

Unless chaqa scum buddy?

that....is possible.

yeah, I do buss a lot as mafia. There are some games where I don't though. You could shoot me to find out?

Why do you keep asking about who people are going to shoot?

[Jamiet99uk]

** A SHOT RINGS OUT! **

[BunnyGo]

would scum! chaq argue about this?

yes...?


shit...

no way town!heart ends on vanity. or disappears with 14 minutes and a teammate on the chopping blocj

why'd damo end on vanity?

scum team:

heart, sweet, froggy, neph?

I think there's some nice symmetry there and had good interactions between them all.

for what it's worth: it's good that there are more people off the voted out wagon than on it. It increases our chances.

huh? My head hurts and I don't understand this.

But I slept the night...so calling it a win

[Kakarroto]

I think scum *would* care.

what are your thoughts of foods phrasing? Do you see a situation where mafia wouldn't care?

I read "care" to mean "would rather it did not happen because they would feel it harms them".

hmm I see. So you didn't take into account that getting information about PR would help mafia, or at least it didn't cross your mind in terms of this question? Or do you think that point isn't too important?

Would you say that with the information of me mentioning the mafia-gets-PR-reads that it changes the meaning of foods question? Do you agree with me that there seems to be an agenda behind that phrasing? Or do you think I'm imagining things or even try to twist food?

[Kakarroto]

would scum kaka bpost this?

scub kaka dosn't like to take people out of the game. he just wants to have fun and play with friendss and solwve a puzze.

So...why...?

Unless chaqa scum buddy?

that....is possible.

yeah, I do buss a lot as mafia. There are some games where I don't though. You could shoot me to find out?

Why do you keep asking about who people are going to shoot?

maybe I just want to be vig

[BunnyGo]

Of particular note is that Jamie effort to ensure no ties was to vote lfischl which implies he just fundamentally couldnt vote justaguy.

Maybe Jamiet was trying out my method and legitimately forgot that Will wasn't his teammate.

Funny.

I preferred Lfischl over JustWill, that's all.

wait...what?

You weren't consciously trying to make it an odd number of people on the leading 2 wagons to avoid a tie?

[Kakarroto]

would scum! chaq argue about this?

yes...?


shit...

no way town!heart ends on vanity. or disappears with 14 minutes and a teammate on the chopping blocj

why'd damo end on vanity?

scum team:

heart, sweet, froggy, neph?

I think there's some nice symmetry there and had good interactions between them all.

for what it's worth: it's good that there are more people off the voted out wagon than on it. It increases our chances.

huh? My head hurts and I don't understand this.

But I slept the night...so calling it a win

probably because I'm fixated on a role and overestimate its value. But I'm glad you had a nice sleep, hope it was comfy.

[BunnyGo]

for what it's worth: it's good that there are more people off the voted out wagon than on it. It increases our chances.

huh? My head hurts and I don't understand this.

But I slept the night...so calling it a win

probably because I'm fixated on a role and overestimate its value. But I'm glad you had a nice sleep, hope it was comfy.

oh...you think the person who gets told who they voted for will self-identify quickly and learn...they dumb?

[Jamiet99uk]

what are your thoughts of foods phrasing? Do you see a situation where mafia wouldn't care?

I read "care" to mean "would rather it did not happen because they would feel it harms them".

hmm I see. So you didn't take into account that getting information about PR would help mafia, or at least it didn't cross your mind in terms of this question? Or do you think that point isn't too important?

Would you say that with the information of me mentioning the mafia-gets-PR-reads that it changes the meaning of foods question? Do you agree with me that there seems to be an agenda behind that phrasing? Or do you think I'm imagining things or even try to twist food?

I certainly did take that into account, thank you for not assuming my thought process.

I think mechanically solving the role distribution is very bad for Mafia because it will very much narrow down the POE. There are some town roles that have no Mafia equivalent. This outweighs any benefit to them in potentially killing the more powerful town PRs, in my assessment.

I townread Foodcost and therefore I think you are over-analysing his wording.