Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[lfischl]

@kak why are you voting damo?

@fishy why do you think I'm voting sweet?

@bozo do you have any non-mech thoughts to share?

I think I may have figured of the scum tell for sweet but I'm not 100% sure.

[lfischl]

@kak why are you voting damo?

@fishy why do you think I'm voting sweet?

@bozo do you have any non-mech thoughts to share?

I think I may have figured of the scum tell for sweet but I'm not 100% sure.

+ that's the reason i think you're voting him, need to go do smth quickly, then will go back and read sweet more in depth

[BunnyGo]

I could vote sweet or justaguy

the thing is they are not in my top 6 scumreads even. and I feel barely anything that would make me think theyre mafia

I feel way more inclined to kill among frog-lfischl-chaqa

tell me about them.

I won't be voting froggy today.

But I don't remember fishy well enough to have a mental model of him.

And chaqa is...hard to read.

[Kakarroto]

are we actually going to do the everyone does a different target strategy?

Does the mafia being able or not being able to target each other affect your opinion on if this is a good idea? The setup does not say they can't.

If mafia can't target each other I think it's honestly worse, because then if the town PRs who reveal the targets are on a mafia, it's super obvious and I just think that isn't fun. I'd rather we go through the process and figure it out rather than using an organized mechanic or something.

I doubt anything that easily broken would be accepted by the council and ghug would've rejected it.

[BunnyGo]

@kak why are you voting damo?

@fishy why do you think I'm voting sweet?

@bozo do you have any non-mech thoughts to share?

I think I may have figured of the scum tell for sweet but I'm not 100% sure.

What do you think of it? Convincing?

[Kakarroto]

5 lists of what?

19 people have to enter orders.

I still don't understand the proposal.

I thought 5 lists with 19 players on each list, but maybe I misunderstood.

##Call Kak

Could you clarify please?

sorry, I think I took a bit of time to type it out

[brainbomb]

I could vote sweet or justaguy

the thing is they are not in my top 6 scumreads even. and I feel barely anything that would make me think theyre mafia

I feel way more inclined to kill among frog-lfischl-chaqa

tell me about them.

I won't be voting froggy today.

But I don't remember fishy well enough to have a mental model of him.

And chaqa is...hard to read.

tell you about what? you just made it clear that anything I have to tell you is probably not gonna matter

[lfischl]

maybe, maybe not. We have (at least a bit of) the night to discuss this further

ah ok. I think it removes some of the fun of the setup but if people want to do it ig it's fine.

Also I just realized I haven't voted so I'm gonna ##vote BK3K as a placeholder

Yeah, I know. But if the majority values efficiency over (lets call it) "free PR action fun", why should I try to take their fun away?

So far though I'm not convinced we should do this after D2 going on, so maybe we can have some compromise of 'N1 we do to get info, but after that lets have fun with the info advantage we gained and every PR for themselves', who knows.

I'd be fine with it if it was that, I'm never a PR and i just want to have fun doing it

[lfischl]

@kak why are you voting damo?

@fishy why do you think I'm voting sweet?

@bozo do you have any non-mech thoughts to share?

I think I may have figured of the scum tell for sweet but I'm not 100% sure.

What do you think of it? Convincing?

like I said, I need to re-read him but I'm leaning that way

[BunnyGo]

I don't understand the mechanism Kak is describing.

Does he mean that for each player, Brainbomb would select 5 possible targets, thus 95 total selections from which I would pick 19?

Nah, I was thinking one of you (lets say brain since you picked brain here) makes 5 different lists of all 20 (or rather 19 after today?) participants (either by typing the names in order or saying how he would like, for example ordered 'by age' or ordered 'by longitude', and from these 5 lists, the other (lets say you since you picked brain before) decides, which of these different ordered lists to pick from.

Then we use the 'the next one' in the list as our target.

That is, if we actually do this. But with that it should be at least guaranteed to be so much randomized by town that even if one of you two is mafia, that the order of mafia isn't an advantage and even if bozo is mafia didn't suggest it to exploit something he noticed from the list MadMonarch posted.

Right, I see - so it's like an alphabetised list, but randomised.

Okay. I don't mind this option.

It's almost like there's an entire industry and field of mathematics developed to do this for us THAT WE CAN DISCUSS LATER

[bozotheclown]

This seems like a fabrication, I have always had my status hidden for non-mafia game reasons.

Dunno. Maybe someone else. But this does not discredit my argument previously mentioned, although it does make me rethink bozo’s absence

I have never lied deliberately to make a townie seem scummy. thi probably was just a genuine mistake

Are you saying that in games where you are mafia you would not fabricate anything to try to get a town mis-killed?

[Jamiet99uk]

I have never lied deliberately to make a townie seem scummy. thi probably was just a genuine mistake

Why did you think it? Did you post about it at the time?

No, because when I thought I saw it, I thought nothing of it. But once I started thinking about why bozo is scummy, I “remembered” that and thought it was suspicious

What about the other part of your argument that I have repeatedly told you is factually incorrect?

The part where you said Bozo did not talk mechs early in the game - when, in fact, he talks mechs in his first post.

I keep asking you to answer this and your unwillingness to do so is bothersome.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Dunno. Maybe someone else. But this does not discredit my argument previously mentioned, although it does make me rethink bozo’s absence

I have never lied deliberately to make a townie seem scummy. thi probably was just a genuine mistake

Are you saying that in games where you are mafia you would not fabricate anything to try to get a town mis-killed?

Yes. I will use what they say to misrepresent them, but I would never pull something out of my ass

[BunnyGo]

I could vote sweet or justaguy

the thing is they are not in my top 6 scumreads even. and I feel barely anything that would make me think theyre mafia

I feel way more inclined to kill among frog-lfischl-chaqa

tell me about them.

I won't be voting froggy today.

But I don't remember fishy well enough to have a mental model of him.

And chaqa is...hard to read.

tell you about what? you just made it clear that anything I have to tell you is probably not gonna matter

I have 0 opinion of your other two candidates.

I'd like to understand.

And I'm willing to vote the frogprince tomorrow.

[brainbomb]

you wanna discuss things like mech later
and I just gave you three people we could discuss and kill today who arebt contributing to the game at all.

and you basically wanted me to do all the convincing which never amounts to anything

[Jamiet99uk]

Right, I see - so it's like an alphabetised list, but randomised.

Okay. I don't mind this option.

It's almost like there's an entire industry and field of mathematics developed to do this for us THAT WE CAN DISCUSS LATER

Why are you shouting?

Please calm down. It's only a game.

[ghug]

Door Darter

You are the Door-Darter. You you deliver a delicious dinner to someone in the building. They will receive an additional PM with the food. You return "delivered" or "undelivered", as appropriate.

##CALL GM

What is “the food?” Is this an item?

Note that I am attempting to answer questions to the best of my ability while the primary GM is asleep. She may correct me later on.

The recipient will be informed that they received food. The food itself has no impact on the game beyond the notification.

[BunnyGo]

you wanna discuss things like mech later
and I just gave you three people we could discuss and kill today who arebt contributing to the game at all.

and you basically wanted me to do all the convincing which never amounts to anything

You don't think I listen to your opinions?

[foodcoats]

This is the hard hitting take we need.

Can we STOP talking mechs for 2 more hours please...can we focus on this exciting and close EOD?

Be the change you want to see in the world.

Watcha thinkin’ about?

Well...pondering Just right now.

I find him to be "wrong" (IMHO, but obviously he's thinking in complete and coherent ways) a lot. But this statement about bozo is a different way of being wrong.

Trying to decide how he would get to it as town. Or as scum.

Besides that, hoping babyspice shows up a bit.

pondering why you were so wrong about what worcej wrote despite several people telling you.


you?

Well, after they told me I realized that I was wrong about worcej’s “slip.” A man can be wrong and learn from his mistakes, can’t he? (I didn’t post about it because Jamie said it was clogging the thread.)

I have never played with Will but I almost feel they are obvscum with how many weird things they’ve said.

##VOTE JustAGuyNamedWill

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Yeah I’m starting to see the holes in my bozo case. Made a few mistakes in my research. Still find his play weird, but now it is not enough to warrant a vote.

##UNVOTE

Sorry bozo