Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[lfischl]

well, I think I feel good enough if it is randomized by different players.

I suggest brain and jamie for this; one choosing, say, five option, the other picking one of these options. Would anyone have a problem with that? Or would anyone prefer bozo's random lottery choice?

are we actually going to do the everyone does a different target strategy?

Does the mafia being able or not being able to target each other affect your opinion on if this is a good idea? The setup does not say they can't.

If mafia can't target each other I think it's honestly worse, because then if the town PRs who reveal the targets are on a mafia, it's super obvious and I just think that isn't fun. I'd rather we go through the process and figure it out rather than using an organized mechanic or something.

[Jamiet99uk]

I thought he just meant 5 lists.

5 lists of what?

19 people have to enter orders.

I still don't understand the proposal.

I thought 5 lists with 19 players on each list, but maybe I misunderstood.

##Call Kak

Could you clarify please?

[Kakarroto]

well, I think I feel good enough if it is randomized by different players.

I suggest brain and jamie for this; one choosing, say, five option, the other picking one of these options. Would anyone have a problem with that? Or would anyone prefer bozo's random lottery choice?

Something like that is fine with me.

I don't understand the mechanism Kak is describing.

Does he mean that for each player, Brainbomb would select 5 possible targets, thus 95 total selections from which I would pick 19?

Nah, I was thinking one of you (lets say brain since you picked brain here) makes 5 different lists of all 20 (or rather 19 after today?) participants (either by typing the names in order or saying how he would like, for example ordered 'by age' or ordered 'by longitude', and from these 5 lists, the other (lets say you since you picked brain before) decides, which of these different ordered lists to pick from.

Then we use the 'the next one' in the list as our target.

That is, if we actually do this. But with that it should be at least guaranteed to be so much randomized by town that even if one of you two is mafia, that the order of mafia isn't an advantage and even if bozo is mafia didn't suggest it to exploit something he noticed from the list MadMonarch posted.

[BunnyGo]

are we actually going to do the everyone does a different target strategy?

Does the mafia being able or not being able to target each other affect your opinion on if this is a good idea? The setup does not say they can't.

If mafia can't target each other I think it's honestly worse, because then if the town PRs who reveal the targets are on a mafia, it's super obvious and I just think that isn't fun. I'd rather we go through the process and figure it out rather than using an organized mechanic or something.

90 minutes...can we talk about ANYTHING else for the next 90 minutes?

[lfischl]

Does the mafia being able or not being able to target each other affect your opinion on if this is a good idea? The setup does not say they can't.

If mafia can't target each other I think it's honestly worse, because then if the town PRs who reveal the targets are on a mafia, it's super obvious and I just think that isn't fun. I'd rather we go through the process and figure it out rather than using an organized mechanic or something.

90 minutes...can we talk about ANYTHING else for the next 90 minutes?

I was just answering bozo's question, i'd rather remove the mech talk entirely

[bozotheclown]

Furthermore, bozo was more involved in non-mech talk last game, and he is absent without a good reason (or at least one I’ve seen). He seems to be doing this intentionally.

So...

Bozo is scum in your eyes for not getting into mech talk early on.
(He posted about mechs in his first post)

Bozo is scum in your eyes for not talking enough about non-mech things.
(This contradicts your first argument, even though your first argument was wrong).

Both of these points I made constitute an argument: I don’t like that he is absent and not talking in general

I posted when I was available, and I did not see much response to what I was suggesting until recently.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I have seen bozo online on this forum multiple times, and it seems like after most of them, he posts nothing

This seems like a fabrication, I have always had my status hidden for non-mafia game reasons.

Dunno. Maybe someone else. But this does not discredit my argument previously mentioned, although it does make me rethink bozo’s absence

I have never lied deliberately to make a townie seem scummy. thi probably was just a genuine mistake

[BunnyGo]

@kak why are you voting damo?

@fishy why do you think I'm voting sweet?

@bozo do you have any non-mech thoughts to share?

[BunnyGo]

This seems like a fabrication, I have always had my status hidden for non-mafia game reasons.

Dunno. Maybe someone else. But this does not discredit my argument previously mentioned, although it does make me rethink bozo’s absence

I have never lied deliberately to make a townie seem scummy. thi probably was just a genuine mistake

Why did you think it? Did you post about it at the time?

[bozotheclown]

I have seen bozo online on this forum multiple times, and it seems like after most of them, he posts nothing

This seems like a fabrication, I have always had my status hidden for non-mafia game reasons.

Dunno. Maybe someone else. But this does not discredit my argument previously mentioned, although it does make me rethink bozo’s absence

That is a very specific thing to misremember. Do you always check the "who is online" status when you are online?

[BunnyGo]

@froggy don't forget to vote!!

[foodcoats]

I see you and Jamie just going off on each other and I know it won’t stop until one of you is dead.

solution: kill both of them

This is the hard hitting take we need.

Can we STOP talking mechs for 2 more hours please...can we focus on this exciting and close EOD?

Be the change you want to see in the world.

Watcha thinkin’ about?

[BunnyGo]

@froggy don't forget to vote!!

@all new players: you may change your vote as often as you like up until the end of the day in about 90 minutes.

SO VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN! (just like presidential elections)

[brainbomb]

I could vote sweet or justaguy

the thing is they are not in my top 6 scumreads even. and I feel barely anything that would make me think theyre mafia

I feel way more inclined to kill among frog-lfischl-chaqa

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Dunno. Maybe someone else. But this does not discredit my argument previously mentioned, although it does make me rethink bozo’s absence

I have never lied deliberately to make a townie seem scummy. thi probably was just a genuine mistake

Why did you think it? Did you post about it at the time?

No, because when I thought I saw it, I thought nothing of it. But once I started thinking about why bozo is scummy, I “remembered” that and thought it was suspicious

[Kakarroto]

are we actually going to do the everyone does a different target strategy?

maybe, maybe not. We have (at least a bit of) the night to discuss this further

ah ok. I think it removes some of the fun of the setup but if people want to do it ig it's fine.

Also I just realized I haven't voted so I'm gonna ##vote BK3K as a placeholder

Yeah, I know. But if the majority values efficiency over (lets call it) "free PR action fun", why should I try to take their fun away?

So far though I'm not convinced we should do this after D2 going on, so maybe we can have some compromise of 'N1 we do to get info, but after that lets have fun with the info advantage we gained and every PR for themselves', who knows.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

This seems like a fabrication, I have always had my status hidden for non-mafia game reasons.

Dunno. Maybe someone else. But this does not discredit my argument previously mentioned, although it does make me rethink bozo’s absence

That is a very specific thing to misremember. Do you always check the "who is online" status when you are online?

Most of the time. I like to know of people who read and don’t post. I don’t usually click the “Who is online” tab, but I check the little names at the bottom.

[BunnyGo]

solution: kill both of them

This is the hard hitting take we need.

Can we STOP talking mechs for 2 more hours please...can we focus on this exciting and close EOD?

Be the change you want to see in the world.

Watcha thinkin’ about?

Well...pondering Just right now.

I find him to be "wrong" (IMHO, but obviously he's thinking in complete and coherent ways) a lot. But this statement about bozo is a different way of being wrong.

Trying to decide how he would get to it as town. Or as scum.

Besides that, hoping babyspice shows up a bit.

pondering why you were so wrong about what worcej wrote despite several people telling you.


you?

[bozotheclown]

are we actually going to do the everyone does a different target strategy?

Does the mafia being able or not being able to target each other affect your opinion on if this is a good idea? The setup does not say they can't.

If mafia can't target each other I think it's honestly worse, because then if the town PRs who reveal the targets are on a mafia, it's super obvious and I just think that isn't fun. I'd rather we go through the process and figure it out rather than using an organized mechanic or something.

The mafia not being able to target each other would be a significant disadvantage for the mafia, so I assume that is not the case.

I understand what you are saying about how the quality of the game may be affected, but this is the game we are in.

[Jamiet99uk]

Something like that is fine with me.

I don't understand the mechanism Kak is describing.

Does he mean that for each player, Brainbomb would select 5 possible targets, thus 95 total selections from which I would pick 19?

Nah, I was thinking one of you (lets say brain since you picked brain here) makes 5 different lists of all 20 (or rather 19 after today?) participants (either by typing the names in order or saying how he would like, for example ordered 'by age' or ordered 'by longitude', and from these 5 lists, the other (lets say you since you picked brain before) decides, which of these different ordered lists to pick from.

Then we use the 'the next one' in the list as our target.

That is, if we actually do this. But with that it should be at least guaranteed to be so much randomized by town that even if one of you two is mafia, that the order of mafia isn't an advantage and even if bozo is mafia didn't suggest it to exploit something he noticed from the list MadMonarch posted.

Right, I see - so it's like an alphabetised list, but randomised.

Okay. I don't mind this option.