Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Jamiet99uk]

I’m trying not to tunnel Will but I re-read Will when he made this post, and I want to know the answer to HB’s question, too.

Cue Darg to ask, "How do you feel about buddying?"

I love Hamilton, great city. Great people in Hamilton. Great town.

What is your opinion of the small town of Brian, Missouri?

[Frogsterking]

bozo is usually more forceful than this in their mech planning correct? I was expecting more because of this statement:

This setup is interesting in terms of D1 because nobody knows anything except:

i) Their alignment, and
ii) IF their alignment is Mafia, the identities of their team-mates.

So it's essentially a pure vanilla D1.

True

We can’t let this turn into a mech snooze fest lol

Hard agree. So don’t get bozo started.

I think this is a set up that probably can be broken mechanically so it feels like they have things left unsaid.

[brainbomb]

My scumreads
bozo
lfischl
frog
jamie
BK3K

[Kakarroto]

retry since I messed up quote
(the blue part is from Neph's post, the uncolored is what I added @Jamie)

totally agree. I shortly pondered if a no-kill vote would be good, but it just loses town an opportunity to vote for a mafia AND robs town of good information before mafia could talk to each other. ESPECIALLY since mafia don't know the roles that they have, so if there is any bussing going on, I'd expect them to prefer bussing the comrade(s) they expect to perform not as good.

This post reeks so bad. In what world would town ever consider a no kill first day? We need all the information we can get... Also it deprives us a chance to kill scum.

exhibit A:

Day 1 Final Vote Count. Please PM me ASAP (webdip or discord) if there are inaccuracies.

Kakarroto (8) TheMadMonarch dargorygel worcej Chaqa damo666 Jamiet99uk JustAGuyNamedWill heartthrob24909
dargorygel (3) ghug rdrivera2005 sweetandcool
Hamilton Brian (2) bozotheclown BK3K
No‑Kill (1) Kakarroto
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) Hamilton Brian

Kakarroto is set to be exiled.

Apologies for lack of flavor text. Will make it up to you later.

Day 1 has ended.

KAKARROTO HAS DIED HE WAS VANILLA TOWN

NIGHT 1 HAS STARTED.

SCUM CHAT IS OPEN.

Vanilla Town, please be sure to PM me (and SpiritoftheRadio) your votes either on Discord or Webdip (Discord preferred by your GM...but whatever).

ESPECIALLY since mafia don't know the roles that they have, so if there is any bussing going on, I'd expect them to prefer bussing the comrade(s) they expect to perform not as good.

ewwwww

please explain what do you find here so disgusting, preferable in the english language

[Jamiet99uk]

My scumreads
bozo
lfischl
frog
jamie
BK3K

My scumreads
Sweetandcool
BobMcBob
Damo666
Unvote
JustAGuyNamedWill

[foodcoats]

bozo is usually more forceful than this in their mech planning correct? I was expecting more because of this statement:

True

We can’t let this turn into a mech snooze fest lol

Hard agree. So don’t get bozo started.

I think this is a set up that probably can be broken mechanically so it feels like they have things left unsaid.

I agree with your statement that this game very likely be mechanically forced.

Given that, what do you make of Bob’s (who designed the setup with MM) statement that the purpose was to avoid mechanics?

[Frogsterking]

I want to believe bunnygo is town.

[lfischl]

My scumreads
bozo
lfischl
frog
jamie
BK3K

My scumreads
Sweetandcool
BobMcBob
Damo666
Unvote
JustAGuyNamedWill

is unvote in there as anyone who doesn't want to kill here?

[Jamiet99uk]

My scumreads
bozo
lfischl
frog
jamie
BK3K

My scumreads
Sweetandcool
BobMcBob
Damo666
Unvote
JustAGuyNamedWill

is unvote in there as anyone who doesn't want to kill here?

Oh look Lfischl is awake.

It was a joke, well done on spotting it. I just copied the first five lines on the Bot.

You will be pleased to know that my actual scumreads are:

BK3K
BobMcBob
Chaqa
JustAGuyNamedWill
Lfischl
Sweetandcool
... and somewhat of a scumlean on Hamilton Brian.

I townread Frogster, Foodcoats, and Brainbomb. Maybe Kak also.

[lfischl]

My scumreads
Sweetandcool
BobMcBob
Damo666
Unvote
JustAGuyNamedWill

is unvote in there as anyone who doesn't want to kill here?

Oh look Lfischl is awake.

It was a joke, well done on spotting it. I just copied the first five lines on the Bot.

You will be pleased to know that my actual scumreads are:

BK3K
BobMcBob
Chaqa
JustAGuyNamedWill
Lfischl
Sweetandcool
... and somewhat of a scumlean on Hamilton Brian.

I townread Frogster, Foodcoats, and Brainbomb. Maybe Kak also.

lol sorry just woke up not too long ago.

I would be happy to vote BK3K if other would want to.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I want to believe bunnygo is town.

Not going to lie at this point you mustve seen our comments about this specific type of post. This is just blatant buddying at this point

[damo666]

Bozo is usually right about things like this.

Agree

do you two (jamie, damo) think that maf-bozo would suggest a good plan for town?

Yes.

[Frogsterking]

bozo is usually more forceful than this in their mech planning correct? I was expecting more because of this statement:

Hard agree. So don’t get bozo started.

I think this is a set up that probably can be broken mechanically so it feels like they have things left unsaid.

I agree with your statement that this game very likely be mechanically forced.

Given that, what do you make of Bob’s (who designed the setup with MM) statement that the purpose was to avoid mechanics?

They'd have to qualify that statement a lot before I could understand it. At face value I don't understand where they're coming from because it's a role madness puzzle box setup.

[bozotheclown]

Reasonably happy with any of the top 4 wagons although I think it a shame if frog is boiled day 1 as a seemingly experienced newb.

@Bunny care to share re mechs or is it essential to wait until night?

Btw I think Bunny likely town and I think he may be right re sweet's tell.

I mean...I think talking about mechs earlier isn't *harmful* in itself, but is distracting.

The biggest upshot that nobody has mentioned re: mechs is how much of an advantage the scum team has in discovering who they are and messing up any coordinated town searches after 1 night.

But as I said: too much distraction, that's what night's for.

The mafia having an advantage sorting their roles is the primary reason I suggested everyone targeting the next player on the list. If all the town did this, the mafia would be forced to comply or pretend to comply, but that would come with risk. The point is there are ways we can make it more difficult for the mafia if we work together.

[bozotheclown]

Hahahahahahah, my innocence this game is going to rest on your ability to believe that I can make reads regardless of my alignment. And you're going to say that since you don't know I'm not scum you can't believe a thing I'm saying.

I totally called this last game!!

This is so fucked XD

##VOTE Jamiet because this really pisses me off.

sweet's towniest post all game. Are we seeing the same tell @damo?

Yes and I don't know.

Are you both not sharing what you think the tell is so that you can continue to use it in future games if you are correct?

[damo666]

Reasonably happy with any of the top 4 wagons although I think it a shame if frog is boiled day 1 as a seemingly experienced newb.

@Bunny care to share re mechs or is it essential to wait until night?

Btw I think Bunny likely town and I think he may be right re sweet's tell.

I mean...I think talking about mechs earlier isn't *harmful* in itself, but is distracting.

The biggest upshot that nobody has mentioned re: mechs is how much of an advantage the scum team has in discovering who they are and messing up any coordinated town searches after 1 night.

But as I said: too much distraction, that's what night's for.

The mafia having an advantage sorting their roles is the primary reason I suggested everyone targeting the next player on the list. If all the town did this, the mafia would be forced to comply or pretend to comply, but that would come with risk. The point is there are ways we can make it more difficult for the mafia if we work together.

Ok let's discuss this after EOD. Bunny also has a plan.

[Frogsterking]

I want to believe bunnygo is town.

Not going to lie ...

Woah there

[damo666]

sweet's towniest post all game. Are we seeing the same tell @damo?

Yes and I don't know.

Are you both not sharing what you think the tell is so that you can continue to use it in future games if you are correct?

If I had a tell on anyone I would not reveal. I think that is reasonable.

[BunnyGo]

well this sounds simple enough.

hmm

I fear though that could give mafia very good intel, with the 'claim their scan result'. Like if they want to PR hunt, that's a pretty good sorting mechanism.

You are afraid of PR hunting in a setup in which every player is a PR?

well, not every PR has the same power level. There are PR roles that are pretty useless (like the one that tells you who your target voted last day). So I thought that mafia would hunt for PR's with the highest power

Oh…just noting this for later. Really really don’t want to discuss mechs with 3.5 hours left in D1.

But this reminds me of the game where two people (or more) have partial information about assigned numbers. And take turns saying “I don’t know my number” until that’s enough information for someone to say “I know my number”

[damo666]

Cue Darg to ask, "How do you feel about buddying?"

I love Hamilton, great city. Great people in Hamilton. Great town.

What is your opinion of the small town of Brian, Missouri?

Missouri is not playing, Jamie.