Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Kakarroto]

It’s day 1 of a role madness game. The real fun starts tonight

when everyone gets a bunch of confusing results and then we decide to wait to find maf til day 7 and its kilo?

Why don’t we skip to that point now? All agree if he hit town first up we lose?

statistically, it's more likely that town wins if we misvote town D1

statistically, it's also more likely that mafia wins if we vote mafia D1

something something about bussing and connections, I guess. Or it's just a good luck charm. Man, maybe those people throwing others into volcanoes did actually know something ...

[Kakarroto]

VOTE COUNT 1.2

Frogsterking. (3) brainbomb* sweetandcool JustAGuyNamedWill
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) Diplomacy&Warfare foodcoats
damo666 (1) Kakarroto
BobMcBob (1) worcej
Unvote (1) Hamilton Brian
lfischl (1) BobMcBob
BunnyGo (1) Jamiet99uk
sweetandcool (1) damo666
Kakarroto (1) Nephthys
brainbomb(1) BK3K

Currently, Frogsterking is set to be Evicted.

Babyspice666, and BunnyGo have not yet met the minimum post requirement.

And reminder, you vote must be on something (not Unvote) at EOD.

ohh, thank you! Didn't know that.

##vote something

[Kakarroto]

I think you’re correct. Nice to meet you frogster.


##vote sweet

Can you also clarify if you townread Frog, and if so, why?

If not, do you think this is a scum on scum wagon? Why?

I’m thinking of frog like a less obviously arrogant snowy. Posisbly town. Possibly good at open wolfing. But I’ve been vibing on his posts either way so useful to wait and see.

why is your read mirroring my initial frogster read?

[Kakarroto]

Alright, help me reading you correctly:

@everyone not having posted (damo and babyspice): do so, and I hope in good quality and quantity.

@B3K3 after you had a read, tell me three people who you think are most likely mafia

@diplomacy&warfare what are your thoughts of this game? You still think Will fell for sweets trap and is mafia? If so, who do you think are his accomplices?

@lfischl: if you had a gun with one bullet and HAD to choose someone or getting it yourself before the end of the day, who would you choose, and why?

if anyone else wants to answer those questions from their own perspective, feel free to do so, please just don't answer them for them.

Is BunnyGo not included in your request to post in good quality and quantity because you consider his +1'ing to be an adequate substitution?

fair question. Bunny didn't really come to mind as a nonposter here since he did something like that before and posted after he had held himself back. Didn't worry that he will leave no information. Also bunny gets, at least compared to the ones in this post, quite the information out and makes an impression, at least for me. Maybe not useful information for me to sort him and maybe even misleading if he is mafia, but information nonetheless to process.

[Kakarroto]

Hi heart!

Any thoughts? I saw babyspice in the thread watching but she never posted

Hi bunny

Missing abt 10 pages of context including your grand entrance but sure I have thoughts. You know how i think, though; my ingredients are on the table but theres still a ways to go before i have any bread. Do you have any questions for me?

I’m very eager to find out what caused you to break your silence

I'm literally making bread now!

Umm....had to happen eventually, and I have a busy Sunday driving kids around and doing chores so at least wanted to get my initial thoughts out while everyone had a chance to see them.

I was trying to wait to be last to post but Emma Bunton forced my hand.

[Kakarroto]

if it is possible, I'm going to need oter people to figure this out for me

Bozo is usually right about things like this.

Agree

do you two (jamie, damo) think that maf-bozo would suggest a good plan for town?

[Kakarroto]

OH! And for those looking to ISO anyone (in particular D&W though) instead of using the links on the game status page of the bot, do the following (our Grand Monarch said this before, but wanted to make sure everyone understood).

On the landing page of the bot click "Search among all messages"

Then for users you put in dip* (the * is code for "anything at all after this start")

You can add extra filters like game phase, or words to search on (can use * there too if you want to search for both scum and scummy put scum* in the words place)

or you could just ignore the bot and read the whole thread in context

[Hamilton Brian]

Unless something of note happens:

##VOTE FROGSTER

Sorry. I have confirmation that my suspicions of you are, in fact, valid, and I’m not being an idiot

Whoah...what confirmation?

I’m trying not to tunnel Will but I re-read Will when he made this post, and I want to know the answer to HB’s question, too.

Cue Darg to ask, "How do you feel about buddying?"

[Jamiet99uk]

Right, so the only way to get useful information is to identify everyone's role, which of course also tells us who all the town players are. In my opinion, the fastest way to identify everyone's role is to have everyone target a different player N1 and have everyone claim their scan result, and I don't think the mafia can do a lot to obscure the results.

well this sounds simple enough.

hmm

I fear though that could give mafia very good intel, with the 'claim their scan result'. Like if they want to PR hunt, that's a pretty good sorting mechanism.

You are afraid of PR hunting in a setup in which every player is a PR?

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm literally making bread now!

Umm....had to happen eventually, and I have a busy Sunday driving kids around and doing chores so at least wanted to get my initial thoughts out while everyone had a chance to see them.

I was trying to wait to be last to post but Emma Bunton forced my hand.

baking bread.jpg

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa

Very nice

[Kakarroto]

eh, probably not a whole lot. the reasons why Jamie might be scum with lfischl are not relevant, as Jamie for whatever reason, -does scumread- lfischl but needed someone else to make his talking points for him. Not sure it means anything regardless of what lfischl flips at that point.

and then my scumread on chaqa is pretty much voided. foodcoats made me think that if lfischl is town, then bob is probably just opportunistic scum here and I can see that being a thing.

Hamilton would only look bad if lfischl flips mafia, otherwise ham statement is harmless.

My updated scumreads are : bozo, lsfischl, bob, and heart.

so, do I understand you correctly here:

-) hamilton looks bad if lfischl is mafia

-) you think lfischl is mafia

-) yet you don't think hamilton is mafia? At least not enough to put him in your maf-reads?

correct

I kinda want you scanned brain. Most of what you do is what you'd do as town, but some things, they just give me pause, and I really begin to doubt you are town. And then I remember you'd do so much to get reactions and have your own perspective. I hope you are town this game.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bozo is usually right about things like this.

Agree

do you two (jamie, damo) think that maf-bozo would suggest a good plan for town?

Yes I think that Bozo would suggest something like this as any alignment.

[foodcoats]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main gimmick of this setup is that nobody knows what they are. I have a suspicion that this may have been to directly combat mech clears while still having a lot of silly roles. Also I just don't like D1 mechs discussion. Mostly that.

Right, so the only way to get useful information is to identify everyone's role, which of course also tells us who all the town players are. In my opinion, the fastest way to identify everyone's role is to have everyone target a different player N1 and have everyone claim their scan result, and I don't think the mafia can do a lot to obscure the results.

well this sounds simple enough.

hmm

I fear though that could give mafia very good intel, with the 'claim their scan result'. Like if they want to PR hunt, that's a pretty good sorting mechanism.

On the other hand, it wouldn't give mafia too much freedom for fake claiming stuff. Hmm. I'm not sure if it is worth the trade off. I want other people to say what they think about that.

@food
@worcej
@bunny
@jamie
@B3K3

I want you to think about that and give me your opinions and thoughts. Everyone else is welcomed too, but those five I want explicitly to answer it.

Well, lets add one more:

@Nephthys please also add your thoughts and opinion on that matter. Do you maybe have a better idea how we could proceed if there is an all encompassing plan for town?

The big problem is that our (best) PRs can’t clearly interpret their results in a vacuum because of the role interactions.

I don’t think we need to organize anything beforehand, I think everyone just needs to claim their target and their return at start of day.

[Kakarroto]

please explain what do you find here so disgusting, preferable in the english language

I think it's pretty obvious - I quoted you saying townies should never consider voting No-Kill on D1, and then presented an example of you voting No-Kill on D1 in a relatively recent game.

Thank you Nephthys.

Also Jamie, I think you misunderstood something because I messed up the quote.

[Jamiet99uk]

please explain what do you find here so disgusting, preferable in the english language

I think it's pretty obvious - I quoted you saying townies should never consider voting No-Kill on D1, and then presented an example of you voting No-Kill on D1 in a relatively recent game.

Thank you Nephthys.

Also Jamie, I think you misunderstood something because I messed up the quote.

Oh ok, sorry. Could you ask the question again?

[foodcoats]

Right, so the only way to get useful information is to identify everyone's role, which of course also tells us who all the town players are. In my opinion, the fastest way to identify everyone's role is to have everyone target a different player N1 and have everyone claim their scan result, and I don't think the mafia can do a lot to obscure the results.

well this sounds simple enough.

hmm

I fear though that could give mafia very good intel, with the 'claim their scan result'. Like if they want to PR hunt, that's a pretty good sorting mechanism.

On the other hand, it wouldn't give mafia too much freedom for fake claiming stuff. Hmm. I'm not sure if it is worth the trade off. I want other people to say what they think about that.

@food
@worcej
@bunny
@jamie
@B3K3

I want you to think about that and give me your opinions and thoughts. Everyone else is welcomed too, but those five I want explicitly to answer it.

Well, lets add one more:

@Nephthys please also add your thoughts and opinion on that matter. Do you maybe have a better idea how we could proceed if there is an all encompassing plan for town?

The big problem is that our (best) PRs can’t clearly interpret their results in a vacuum because of the role interactions.

I don’t think we need to organize anything beforehand, I think everyone just needs to claim their target and their return at start of day.

It’s also that the information will become more and more valuable with time via deaths.

Honestly anyone who opposes mass claiming is either scum or has not read the setup and considered what they will do with their returns if no one claims. You literally can’t do anything with the return independently.

[BunnyGo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main gimmick of this setup is that nobody knows what they are. I have a suspicion that this may have been to directly combat mech clears while still having a lot of silly roles. Also I just don't like D1 mechs discussion. Mostly that.

Right, so the only way to get useful information is to identify everyone's role, which of course also tells us who all the town players are. In my opinion, the fastest way to identify everyone's role is to have everyone target a different player N1 and have everyone claim their scan result, and I don't think the mafia can do a lot to obscure the results.

well this sounds simple enough.

hmm

I fear though that could give mafia very good intel, with the 'claim their scan result'. Like if they want to PR hunt, that's a pretty good sorting mechanism.

On the other hand, it wouldn't give mafia too much freedom for fake claiming stuff. Hmm. I'm not sure if it is worth the trade off. I want other people to say what they think about that.

@food
@worcej
@bunny
@jamie
@B3K3

I want you to think about that and give me your opinions and thoughts. Everyone else is welcomed too, but those five I want explicitly to answer it.

Well, lets add one more:

@Nephthys please also add your thoughts and opinion on that matter. Do you maybe have a better idea how we could proceed if there is an all encompassing plan for town?

Tonight

[foodcoats]

Whoah...what confirmation?

I’m trying not to tunnel Will but I re-read Will when he made this post, and I want to know the answer to HB’s question, too.

Cue Darg to ask, "How do you feel about buddying?"

I love Hamilton, great city. Great people in Hamilton. Great town.

[Kakarroto]

Right, so the only way to get useful information is to identify everyone's role, which of course also tells us who all the town players are. In my opinion, the fastest way to identify everyone's role is to have everyone target a different player N1 and have everyone claim their scan result, and I don't think the mafia can do a lot to obscure the results.

well this sounds simple enough.

hmm

I fear though that could give mafia very good intel, with the 'claim their scan result'. Like if they want to PR hunt, that's a pretty good sorting mechanism.

You are afraid of PR hunting in a setup in which every player is a PR?

well, not every PR has the same power level. There are PR roles that are pretty useless (like the one that tells you who your target voted last day). So I thought that mafia would hunt for PR's with the highest power

[BunnyGo]

when everyone gets a bunch of confusing results and then we decide to wait to find maf til day 7 and its kilo?

Why don’t we skip to that point now? All agree if he hit town first up we lose?

statistically, it's more likely that town wins if we misvote town D1

statistically, it's also more likely that mafia wins if we vote mafia D1

something something about bussing and connections, I guess. Or it's just a good luck charm. Man, maybe those people throwing others into volcanoes did actually know something ...

It’s like bridge: Lose your losers early and win more later.