Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[worcej]

I would've thought it was just unlikely because you can't kill 3 people on D1.

this gif is from nightcrawler, and he was a scummy dude.... kinda sus

You’re reading way too deeply into the gif. I just thought it was funny.

[foodcoats]

##VOTE sweetandcool

What's this one for? The scumtell thing?

1. When sweet voted for Frog, they claimed they had previously scumread Frog, but they never did. (I see sweet has posted again that "he already explained" his scumread of Frog, which, again, he has not done, independently of agreeing with BK3K). Town can be inconsistent, but I don't think town forgets the evolution of their own internal POE. A scum player is more likely to think they said something about someone being scummy when they actually did not say it, because they already know the game solution and so have a disadvantage when it comes to remembering context and the game's natural evolution.

2. There are multiple credible witnesses (I am coming to townlean Jamie, and I at least do not scumlean Bunny or damo) claiming sweet has a scum tell. I find #1 above to be more compelling, but I am still adding this to my evidence folder.

3. I think the Frog wagon is incredibly scummy, and with 6 hours to go until resolution, I think it is worth putting steam on the wagons.

[foodcoats]

When I started pushing chaqa he got very detailed in his defense of chaqa:

Did I just completely misunderstand everything?

You misread at least some of my posts, most importantly though the part where you got my alignment wrong.

sure. those are explanations I can see as
possibilities. but at this juncture those are avenues not confirmed truth. Chaqa is often pretty unashamed of his play as town. he doesnt care about day 1 so what I see in his posts is that he did care enough to keep posting - for some reason

thought?

I've seen that opener like half a dozen times before and it always draws early suspicion and the slot has always flipped town once it gets run up. Maybe this is the game that a scum slot decided to "chaqa it up" but I'm not going to bet on it.

This is an incredibly interesting statement by Frog. Thank you for noting this, brain.

Frog, just to confirm, you've never played with Chaqa, right?

[worcej]

It’s day 1 of a role madness game. The real fun starts tonight

Here in lies the problem with role madness games…

[foodcoats]

Chaqa is just so antitown that it becomes town...right??

Okay for sure we should not kill Frog

Explain this.

[brainbomb]

I have watched sweet this game and what ive noticed is that he has moved votes around to alot of people, and has engaged with many people.

This was page 8

The "new" players are very interesting. Very active. Very eager to make declarations about player's alignments. Getting strong Champ vibes from their style.

I think there is a decent chance Frog and Will are teammates.

I dont think these two thoughts are connected. because will isnt really new anymore. sweet seems to be serious here at the very least.

votes for will on page 12
defense of jamie on page 13
votes for bunny next
jamie also votes for bunny

##VOTE Jamiet

This is a serious vote.

Feels like they are trying extra hard to get into fights. Presumably to look town and clog up the thread with nonsense.

page 23 cant decipher who jamie would be paired with
page 23 defends Jamie about his comments on my wifes pregnancy
page 27 agrees with my reasons for why Hamilton is town
page 31 agrees frog is scum and is giving off xcution vibes
page 32 votes frog and agrees it feels good

I'm a little conflicted because Frog is new (or just "new"?) and I really do think it's nice to leave them in for at least one day.

Let's try to find pairings and then vote for Frog's pair. Perhaps?

page 43 votes Jamie

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I guess Im stuck in the place where I think sweet could do all this as town, or sweet bussed frog, thus the xcution dialogue. I dunno, ill think it over some more here.

[worcej]

I think you’re correct. Nice to meet you frogster.


##vote sweet

Why sweet and not brain or Will?

I think brain and just are more likely to be town. Brain more than just. Just could be scum.

I think you’re likely town.

I think heart is likelier to be scum.

Won’t be voting the new 3 or kaka d1 for reasons of honor.

Ham B seems stupidly scummy. But in a way that makes me think he’s town and just trying to survive a day for once.


Damo voting sweet as a holding vote is off putting. But in a way that makes me think town.

The mech talk is impressively stupid this game. I disagree with all of you. You’re all wrong. And we’ll talk about it tonight.

Bob is towny.

I still don’t understand what’s going on with fish.

I was planning to rile play coming out of quarantine now a sovereign citizen. Then I thought Jamie would hit the wall with the stupidity of it. So we’ll see. I think he’s my teammate so don’t want to put him on tilt.

Damn I didn’t make the list

[worcej]

Chaqa is just so antitown that it becomes town...right??

Okay for sure we should not kill Frog

Explain this.

Because he’s figuring out player styles at an impressive level and is not possibly being coached at this point.

He’s firmly in my don’t kill D1 list due to the level of deeper reading I am seeing.

[sweetandcool]

Okay, had a moment to do a teensy bit of work.

It is true that I did not make my own post as to why I scumread Frog. That is because it would have been redundant because brainbomb already made the post for me and I explicitly and emphatically agreed with him.

It is easy to see in my ISO, literally the first post I made before voting Frog seriously.

[BunnyGo]

Why sweet and not brain or Will?

I think brain and just are more likely to be town. Brain more than just. Just could be scum.

I think you’re likely town.

I think heart is likelier to be scum.

Won’t be voting the new 3 or kaka d1 for reasons of honor.

Ham B seems stupidly scummy. But in a way that makes me think he’s town and just trying to survive a day for once.


Damo voting sweet as a holding vote is off putting. But in a way that makes me think town.

The mech talk is impressively stupid this game. I disagree with all of you. You’re all wrong. And we’ll talk about it tonight.

Bob is towny.

I still don’t understand what’s going on with fish.

I was planning to rile play coming out of quarantine now a sovereign citizen. Then I thought Jamie would hit the wall with the stupidity of it. So we’ll see. I think he’s my teammate so don’t want to put him on tilt.

Damn I didn’t make the list

Obv. But why comment on it?

[worcej]

Why?

Cuz theyre new

or because she's a girl?

Gross… this isn’t 2004

[worcej]

I think brain and just are more likely to be town. Brain more than just. Just could be scum.

I think you’re likely town.

I think heart is likelier to be scum.

Won’t be voting the new 3 or kaka d1 for reasons of honor.

Ham B seems stupidly scummy. But in a way that makes me think he’s town and just trying to survive a day for once.


Damo voting sweet as a holding vote is off putting. But in a way that makes me think town.

The mech talk is impressively stupid this game. I disagree with all of you. You’re all wrong. And we’ll talk about it tonight.

Bob is towny.

I still don’t understand what’s going on with fish.

I was planning to rile play coming out of quarantine now a sovereign citizen. Then I thought Jamie would hit the wall with the stupidity of it. So we’ll see. I think he’s my teammate so don’t want to put him on tilt.

Damn I didn’t make the list

Obv. But why comment on it?

Because I was interested to see the results of your observations and I am egotistical.

[foodcoats]

Door Darter

You are the Door-Darter. You you deliver a delicious dinner to someone in the building. They will receive an additional PM with the food. You return "delivered" or "undelivered", as appropriate.

##CALL GM

What is “the food?” Is this an item?

[worcej]

Reasonably happy with any of the top 4 wagons although I think it a shame if frog is boiled day 1 as a seemingly experienced newb.

@Bunny care to share re mechs or is it essential to wait until night?

Btw I think Bunny likely town and I think he may be right re sweet's tell.

Did you see my post about the Frog wagon and, in particular, the logical problem with Brainbomb's case?

If you did, I would like your thoughts. If you did not, I would commend you to read it.

Once again you've managed to take a scum-read of mine and water it down to a bunch of buzzwords.

I scum-read Frog because the town-reads came too EASILY, and appear fraudulent on reread. Many of them are blanket phrases like "I think Neph is +town" or "hmm brain is T O W N".

I dont really care if thats what he professed he was GOING to do to establish a POE.

I think the ESTABLISHMENT of those reads is too easy, too rapid and too devoid of any real explanation. they are exactly the sort of reads a scum makes to pocket people and then later when those individuals are in danger, that person will just say nothing or will pivot to get someone killed.

I am even more alarmed by Frogs total lack of scum reads. He admits on one page he doesn't have enough scum-reads, then makes a case about Heart being mafia, but still to this point has never done anything else to identify mafia, he hasn't voted for anyone, and hasn't pushed anything whatsoever.

Jamie, YOU are the one clogging up the thread with misrepresentations. This is twice now you've triedd to use the thread as a platform to assume things about my logic and trash it in front of people to suit your own view of things.

I want to kill either BB or Jamie to end their constant provocation of each other.

[worcej]

For those new to the brain-jamie conflict (and maybe to remind the participants as well):

Jamie is a solicitor (or legal scholar or something like that) who likes his cases laid out with facts, and logic, and step by step clauses.

Brain is an actor. Who enjoys feeling on different cloaks, possibilities, characters and whatnot. He enjoys making cases by trying them on and seeing how the scum!player or town!player feels to him.

So I refer you two to the very very helpful words of Bob Newhart on Mad TV:

This is a very wise way of putting it lol

[Jamiet99uk]

Door Darter

You are the Door-Darter. You you deliver a delicious dinner to someone in the building. They will receive an additional PM with the food. You return "delivered" or "undelivered", as appropriate.

##CALL GM

What is “the food?” Is this an item?

It's your rap name.

[foodcoats]

News Host

You are the News Host. You perform investigative journalism and then tell everyone your target's return on your breakfast news show. Responsible journalistic practices prevent you from revealing the name of your source. You return "success" or "failure", as appropriate.

##CALL GM

Does this mean that the GM will post “Your target’s return” at the start of day? If so does the GM post the name of the target? The name of the news host?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

That was a long game.

And I definitely made a silly choice riding my bike to my friends house lol, I had to ride back in like 15 degree weather lol

I forget about Fahrenheit sometimes…

You odd Americans

[foodcoats]

Okay for sure we should not kill Frog

Explain this.

Because he’s figuring out player styles at an impressive level and is not possibly being coached at this point.

He’s firmly in my don’t kill D1 list due to the level of deeper reading I am seeing.

Interesting point about being coached. I don’t see that it was ever specified that there is daychat.

You get a scum point.

[foodcoats]

Okay, had a moment to do a teensy bit of work.

It is true that I did not make my own post as to why I scumread Frog. That is because it would have been redundant because brainbomb already made the post for me and I explicitly and emphatically agreed with him.

It is easy to see in my ISO, literally the first post I made before voting Frog seriously.

Okay, you are saying you are sheeping brain and BK3K onto Frog, because Frog reminds you of some player named Xcution from a different game of Mafia?