Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[brainbomb]

my scumread on you jamie was because your entry to the game felt scummy. I had alreadyy listed you as a scumread then below there thought I had forgotten to list you.

so you got added twice in the post. not sure what you are saying happened but you didnt become a scumread purely for being in my list.

[Jamiet99uk]

Sorry, Doctor Newhart.

[Jamiet99uk]

my scumread on you jamie was because your entry to the game felt scummy. I had alreadyy listed you as a scumread then below there thought I had forgotten to list you.

so you got added twice in the post. not sure what you are saying happened but you didnt become a scumread purely for being in my list.

Okay.

Here was my first post:

Good evening, Fellow Townspeople. I am excited that the game is here. This setup is cRaZy.

Break down why it is a scummy post. Go ahead.

[brainbomb]

if you continue to keep insulting me and misrepresenting me im gonna have to assume you are just mafia trying this as some gambit to fill pages and waste my time and energy

[sweetandcool]

(For reasoning, see my post above about the Frog wagon).

The only problem with your reasoning is that I was already comfortably nestled in my Jamiet voting nest. Scum sweetandcool would have happily stayed there.

I find this uncompelling.

In M84 you were scum and moved your vote 5 times on D1.

Look again. I bounced around with joke votes (as I have done this game) and then I settled on Ham. I would have stayed there happily, and had positioned myself to do so, but then Ham threatened me with an axe, and I couldn't find a way to extricate myself.

Or wait, you talking about the next scum game? I feel like I did something similar yt don't remember right now

[worcej]

Too many posts, too many posts
Too many posts, too many posts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8

I have 18 pages to read and this was my thought too

[BK3K]

So I'm all caught up.

It appears to me that Brainbomb's case against Frogsterking is totally upside-down.

Brainbomb accusesd Frog of being scum for only having Townreads. However, Frog outright said, on Page 4 of the game, that his methodology would be to build a PoE. As any experienced player knows, you do that by establishing Townreads and then applying Occam's Razor.

Frog is therefore doing exactly what he said he was going to do, and I don't think it's fair to scumread him for that.

It is weird that BK3K noticed the same Page 4 post that I did, and yet his reaction was to vote Frog as well. Really odd response to noticing that detail which, for me, actually weakens Brainbomb's case as I have said.

This leads me to suspect BK3K a little bit, I have to say.

Sweet quickly piling on looks really scummy if Frog is town; it strikes me as Sweet just looking for whatever low-hanging-fruit he can find. Like his vote for me earlier, in fact.

I am confident that if Frog is town, he is right that there is a minimum of one scum in BK3K, Sweetandcool, and Brainbomb.

i was calling out that Frog said he was looking for scum yet only called out town (without reasoning). Honestly, I didn't consider the process of elimination the same way you point out here. Deeper into the game, i town lean frog. 50/50 on you

[BunnyGo]

Sorry, Doctor Newhart.

[Jamiet99uk]

if you continue to keep insulting me and misrepresenting me im gonna have to assume you are just mafia trying this as some gambit to fill pages and waste my time and energy

I haven't insulted you. My posts are polite and calm. You are the one getting in a mood.

[brainbomb]

my scumread on you jamie was because your entry to the game felt scummy. I had alreadyy listed you as a scumread then below there thought I had forgotten to list you.

so you got added twice in the post. not sure what you are saying happened but you didnt become a scumread purely for being in my list.

Okay.

Here was my first post:

Good evening, Fellow Townspeople. I am excited that the game is here. This setup is cRaZy.

Break down why it is a scummy post. Go ahead.

-my scumread on you jamie was because your entry to the game felt scummy. -

this does not refer to your opening post. rather your entire start to the game. once again reaching and misrepresenting my statements.

pages 1 and 2 are mostly mech talk or pleasntries and there is not much to say about them. its page 4

##Vote Kak

This weirdness seems forced.

this is where I felt you might be scum, because the vote seems to be for easy to fake reasoning and it felt more like scum jamie wanted to get a vote out so his first two pages arent accused of just being filler posts

[damo666]

Reasonably happy with any of the top 4 wagons although I think it a shame if frog is boiled day 1 as a seemingly experienced newb.

@Bunny care to share re mechs or is it essential to wait until night?

Btw I think Bunny likely town and I think he may be right re sweet's tell.

Did you see my post about the Frog wagon and, in particular, the logical problem with Brainbomb's case?

If you did, I would like your thoughts. If you did not, I would commend you to read it.

Well, put it this way. I'm voting sweet (like you are).

[Jamiet99uk]

The only problem with your reasoning is that I was already comfortably nestled in my Jamiet voting nest. Scum sweetandcool would have happily stayed there.

I find this uncompelling.

In M84 you were scum and moved your vote 5 times on D1.

Look again. I bounced around with joke votes (as I have done this game) and then I settled on Ham. I would have stayed there happily, and had positioned myself to do so, but then Ham threatened me with an axe, and I couldn't find a way to extricate myself.

Or wait, you talking about the next scum game? I feel like I did something similar yt don't remember right now

You voted Hamilton / Bona / ND / Bona / Justwill

[brainbomb]

if you continue to keep insulting me and misrepresenting me im gonna have to assume you are just mafia trying this as some gambit to fill pages and waste my time and energy

I haven't insulted you. My posts are polite and calm. You are the one getting in a mood.

if this is how you think you make other people feel with your posts, that you are inducing in others a state of politeness and calm; I got news for you, it creates a toxic environment to play this game in.

[heartthrob24909]

I’m gonna try to check in periodically throughout the day, but I’ll be most active again in the last hour of the phase. Sorry, weekends are busy. I’m on page 20something.

For now,
##vote Bob McBob

At this early stage (and unfortunate disclaimer that I’m not fully caught up) what stands out to me the most is how many different conversations/arguments revolved around lfischl due to what was for me, at the time, not a whole lot to go on (granted idrk him but I think we were mafia togeth when I played a year ago).

I find Bob McBob and Just McWill’s inconsistency in their early reads re lfischl to be kinda eyebrow raising but I feel more comfortable casting a vote for Bob since I think I’ll have an easing time reading Just further down the line.

Wait, walk me through this?

1) People talked about officious way too much

2) Bob and Just kept changing minds about officiousness' minimal posts.

ergo Bob is your vote?

Basically. Still definitely subj to change bc it doesn’t feel that strong to me. But in general the lfischl discourse stuck out since it came up a lot and between lots of different people and in a couple different tones/flavors. The amount of conversation surprised me.

[damo666]

This is lazy from you damo. Why are you so content with just leaving things the way they are?

It's day 1. Like most of us I haven't a clue. No point pretending otherwise.

Give me your top town and scum anyway. Something something rereading in light of subsequent info can be revealing.

I'm voting sweet, my best guess at scum. I've already stated I think Bunny is town, I suspect Jamie is as well.

[Jamiet99uk]

my scumread on you jamie was because your entry to the game felt scummy. I had alreadyy listed you as a scumread then below there thought I had forgotten to list you.

so you got added twice in the post. not sure what you are saying happened but you didnt become a scumread purely for being in my list.

Okay.

Here was my first post:

Good evening, Fellow Townspeople. I am excited that the game is here. This setup is cRaZy.

Break down why it is a scummy post. Go ahead.

-my scumread on you jamie was because your entry to the game felt scummy. -

this does not refer to your opening post. rather your entire start to the game. once again reaching and misrepresenting my statements.

pages 1 and 2 are mostly mech talk or pleasntries and there is not much to say about them. its page 4

##Vote Kak

This weirdness seems forced.

this is where I felt you might be scum, because the vote seems to be for easy to fake reasoning and it felt more like scum jamie wanted to get a vote out so his first two pages arent accused of just being filler posts

I am reacting to the things you say. I am not misrepresenting anything. I don't live inside your fucking head. If you don't fully explain yourself I can only respond to the words you actually post.

Jesus you're hard work.

[heartthrob24909]

This strikes me as uncharacteristic

Agreed.

I know he has some irl stuff this weekend, but I expected him to enjoy digging into this at some point.

still on page 20, but i did see this. I love a good puzzle, but at this stage, there are too many variables for me. I could analyze it 1000 differnt ways and get nowhere. I am waiting for D1 and possibly N1 to conclude so there is actually a foothold to get started on. I think I've said it many times before that I think D1 is mostly meaningless (until its over) and I think people who try to make anything of it are silly

I agree with you re d1 but I dont think u were asking ppl to make ur d1 takes for you. You were asking other people to discuss/figure out the mech for you.

[sweetandcool]

Owie, with two different people claiming they see my scumtell, I am effectively screwed. Probably flipping D1. And if not, then sooner rather than later.

Mafia reads:

Jamiet could just be doing his usual stuff. I've scumread him for seemingly being extra eager to get into Jamiet arguments, but remember that while the effect can be scummy, the place it comes from could be towny. So I lean scum him, but voting him just because he's behaving in a way I don't like is obviously an incredibly weak reason.

Bunnygo/damo: I think there is a real chance on eof them is scum. Pushing the damning narrative of my scumtell seems like an incredibly easy way to get today's misskill.

Frog: I've already explained, today is my busiest day, I've ran out of time to make this post.

Would be willing to switch to any of these players by EoD, especially since it is Frog's first game.

[brainbomb]

ill be back at end of day, this is just gonna annoy people anyway.

for someone who values understanding things, im assuming that your goal Jamie, is to jump to as many conclusions as possible and spin my words into watered down buzz phrases as often as you can. You clearly have an agenda to derail logical discourse and re-frame it in your own words when it suits you.

And when challenged on this, even with facts being shown to you, your pivot is to find some other thing to rally back too. you didnt even read frogs posts, or my explanations because, you are probably mafia; and the goal was never to solve.

good day

[Jamiet99uk]

if you continue to keep insulting me and misrepresenting me im gonna have to assume you are just mafia trying this as some gambit to fill pages and waste my time and energy

I haven't insulted you. My posts are polite and calm. You are the one getting in a mood.

if this is how you think you make other people feel with your posts, that you are inducing in others a state of politeness and calm; I got news for you, it creates a toxic environment to play this game in.

You just need to chill the fuck out and not have a temper tantrum when someone disagrees with you or misunderstands something you said.

I'm not trying to offend you but you're being extremely thin-skinned. I am allowed to respond to you and I am allowed to disagree with you. Get over yourself.