Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[BunnyGo]

Reasonably happy with any of the top 4 wagons although I think it a shame if frog is boiled day 1 as a seemingly experienced newb.

@Bunny care to share re mechs or is it essential to wait until night?

Btw I think Bunny likely town and I think he may be right re sweet's tell.

I mean...I think talking about mechs earlier isn't *harmful* in itself, but is distracting.

The biggest upshot that nobody has mentioned re: mechs is how much of an advantage the scum team has in discovering who they are and messing up any coordinated town searches after 1 night.

But as I said: too much distraction, that's what night's for.

[Jamiet99uk]

It seems to me that we could match up everyone with a role or get it down to a 50/50 with a mafia counterpart by N3 if we coordinate our night targets.

if it is possible, I'm going to need oter people to figure this out for me

Bozo is usually right about things like this.

[damo666]

It seems to me that we could match up everyone with a role or get it down to a 50/50 with a mafia counterpart by N3 if we coordinate our night targets.

if it is possible, I'm going to need oter people to figure this out for me

Bozo is usually right about things like this.

Agree

[BK3K]

if it is possible, I'm going to need oter people to figure this out for me

This strikes me as uncharacteristic

Agreed.

I know he has some irl stuff this weekend, but I expected him to enjoy digging into this at some point.

still on page 20, but i did see this. I love a good puzzle, but at this stage, there are too many variables for me. I could analyze it 1000 differnt ways and get nowhere. I am waiting for D1 and possibly N1 to conclude so there is actually a foothold to get started on. I think I've said it many times before that I think D1 is mostly meaningless (until its over) and I think people who try to make anything of it are silly

[BK3K]

This strikes me as uncharacteristic

Agreed.

I know he has some irl stuff this weekend, but I expected him to enjoy digging into this at some point.

still on page 20, but i did see this. I love a good puzzle, but at this stage, there are too many variables for me. I could analyze it 1000 differnt ways and get nowhere. I am waiting for D1 and possibly N1 to conclude so there is actually a foothold to get started on. I think I've said it many times before that I think D1 is mostly meaningless (until its over) and I think people who try to make anything of it are silly

considering we're already at page 40 and i'm still on 20, maybe I'll just skip a bunch and join you all in the present.

[Jamiet99uk]

Reasonably happy with any of the top 4 wagons although I think it a shame if frog is boiled day 1 as a seemingly experienced newb.

@Bunny care to share re mechs or is it essential to wait until night?

Btw I think Bunny likely town and I think he may be right re sweet's tell.

Did you see my post about the Frog wagon and, in particular, the logical problem with Brainbomb's case?

If you did, I would like your thoughts. If you did not, I would commend you to read it.

[Hamilton Brian]

Jesus, 40 pages.

Most compelling thing I read on the last page I read was someone telling us their scumtell.

[BunnyGo]

OH! And for those looking to ISO anyone (in particular D&W though) instead of using the links on the game status page of the bot, do the following (our Grand Monarch said this before, but wanted to make sure everyone understood).

On the landing page of the bot click "Search among all messages"

Then for users you put in dip* (the * is code for "anything at all after this start")

You can add extra filters like game phase, or words to search on (can use * there too if you want to search for both scum and scummy put scum* in the words place)

[Hamilton Brian]

That was frogsterking, btw, who I notice is one of our lead tie wagons.

Not sure I agree with brain's rationale for the vote, plus the endvote.

[sweetandcool]

##Vote Sweetandcool.

(For reasoning, see my post above about the Frog wagon).

The only problem with your reasoning is that I was already comfortably nestled in my Jamiet voting nest. Scum sweetandcool would have happily stayed there.

[sweetandcool]

Do you think I am scum with BunnyGo, and that I am therefore bussing him?

I'm not sure who you are paired with. I'm going to go back and look at your scumgame, but I'm reasonably convinced you are scum here.

Sweet, can you clarify what you mean by “paired with” here?

Paired with= teammates

[BobMcBob]

Reasonably happy with any of the top 4 wagons although I think it a shame if frog is boiled day 1 as a seemingly experienced newb.

@Bunny care to share re mechs or is it essential to wait until night?

Btw I think Bunny likely town and I think he may be right re sweet's tell.

This is lazy from you damo. Why are you so content with just leaving things the way they are?

[Hamilton Brian]

Unless something of note happens:

##VOTE FROGSTER

Sorry. I have confirmation that my suspicions of you are, in fact, valid, and I’m not being an idiot

Whoah...what confirmation?

[sweetandcool]

If only the sequence of events was a matter of public record:

1. Sweetandcool scumread Bunnygo and voted for him.

2. I joined the Bunnygo wagon started by Sweetandcool.

3. Sweetandcool moved his vote to me.

4. Therefore it is implied that Sweet thinks Bunny and I are both scum. Therefore I directly asked him about it.

What doesn't make sense about that, please?

I appreciate you sharing this context, Jamie. These reviews are helpful. I have gone back and looked at the exchange…

Bob, what was in your head when you posted the “what kind of question is this” reaction?

Bob was obviously not actually interested in my reply because he could have obtained the information extremely easily by reading the surrounding posts.

No, I was baffled by your question as well. I did not realize every scum vote had to be a bus. I'm glad to learn there was some secret logic hidden behind your question, but it was not at all obvious.

[brainbomb]

Reasonably happy with any of the top 4 wagons although I think it a shame if frog is boiled day 1 as a seemingly experienced newb.

@Bunny care to share re mechs or is it essential to wait until night?

Btw I think Bunny likely town and I think he may be right re sweet's tell.

Did you see my post about the Frog wagon and, in particular, the logical problem with Brainbomb's case?

If you did, I would like your thoughts. If you did not, I would commend you to read it.

Once again you've managed to take a scum-read of mine and water it down to a bunch of buzzwords.

I scum-read Frog because the town-reads came too EASILY, and appear fraudulent on reread. Many of them are blanket phrases like "I think Neph is +town" or "hmm brain is T O W N".

I dont really care if thats what he professed he was GOING to do to establish a POE.

I think the ESTABLISHMENT of those reads is too easy, too rapid and too devoid of any real explanation. they are exactly the sort of reads a scum makes to pocket people and then later when those individuals are in danger, that person will just say nothing or will pivot to get someone killed.

I am even more alarmed by Frogs total lack of scum reads. He admits on one page he doesn't have enough scum-reads, then makes a case about Heart being mafia, but still to this point has never done anything else to identify mafia, he hasn't voted for anyone, and hasn't pushed anything whatsoever.

Jamie, YOU are the one clogging up the thread with misrepresentations. This is twice now you've triedd to use the thread as a platform to assume things about my logic and trash it in front of people to suit your own view of things.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Vote Sweetandcool.

(For reasoning, see my post above about the Frog wagon).

The only problem with your reasoning is that I was already comfortably nestled in my Jamiet voting nest. Scum sweetandcool would have happily stayed there.

I find this uncompelling.

In M84 you were scum and moved your vote 5 times on D1.

[damo666]

This strikes me as uncharacteristic

Agreed.

I know he has some irl stuff this weekend, but I expected him to enjoy digging into this at some point.

still on page 20, but i did see this. I love a good puzzle, but at this stage, there are too many variables for me. I could analyze it 1000 differnt ways and get nowhere. I am waiting for D1 and possibly N1 to conclude so there is actually a foothold to get started on. I think I've said it many times before that I think D1 is mostly meaningless (until its over) and I think people who try to make anything of it are silly

Yes D1 is pretty useless during D1 itself. However rereading in light of subsequent info can be revealing.

[Jamiet99uk]

Unless something of note happens:

##VOTE FROGSTER

Sorry. I have confirmation that my suspicions of you are, in fact, valid, and I’m not being an idiot

Whoah...what confirmation?

Could it be the same scumtell you think you have seen?

If so could one of you tell us what it is?

[BobMcBob]

Assuming BK3K didn't see my vote (and even if he did, I guess), I like that he seems to be making some effort at least. His reads list is alright.

##Vote Chaqa

[BK3K]

Agreed.

I know he has some irl stuff this weekend, but I expected him to enjoy digging into this at some point.

still on page 20, but i did see this. I love a good puzzle, but at this stage, there are too many variables for me. I could analyze it 1000 differnt ways and get nowhere. I am waiting for D1 and possibly N1 to conclude so there is actually a foothold to get started on. I think I've said it many times before that I think D1 is mostly meaningless (until its over) and I think people who try to make anything of it are silly

Yes D1 is pretty useless during D1 itself. However rereading in light of subsequent info can be revealing.

that's what i meant by "until its over"