Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE Jamiet

This is a serious vote.

Feels like they are trying extra hard to get into fights. Presumably to look town and clog up the thread with nonsense.

Do you think I am scum with BunnyGo, and that I am therefore bussing him?

What on earth kind of question is this?

If only the sequence of events was a matter of public record:

1. Sweetandcool scumread Bunnygo and voted for him.

2. I joined the Bunnygo wagon started by Sweetandcool.

3. Sweetandcool moved his vote to me.

4. Therefore it is implied that Sweet thinks Bunny and I are both scum. Therefore I directly asked him about it.

What doesn't make sense about that, please?

[Jamiet99uk]

no its part of his game as both alignments is that if he doesnt make you waste tons of time arguing nuances with him or pedantry - then he will get accused of being too off this game. so he does it as scum to look like his town game and he does it as town because he gets caught up in dead end topics and thinks he needs to just keep fighting with people

How soon do they do this?

Early enough to lead multiple D1 miskills because a town said something Jamie takes to be lying and is unwilling to give up on.

D1 miskills are frequent anyway due to lack of information - and they also provide information.

[BobMcBob]

I thought you helped come up with the idea for this game. Why do you think in a game where every player is a PR that we should not try to use that to our advantage?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main gimmick of this setup is that nobody knows what they are. I have a suspicion that this may have been to directly combat mech clears while still having a lot of silly roles. Also I just don't like D1 mechs discussion. Mostly that.

For me one of the fun elements of this setup is trying to work out what role I am, so that I can hopefully use my powers for good.

Don't you hope to find out your role, Bob?

Unfortunately, my role PM arrived with water damage, so I can't read it. There is no way of finding out what role I am at the moment. Maybe later, definitely not now.

[Jamiet99uk]

But for real, next day we should each vote the person next in line on the player list and then ask Monarch what the vote count is so we can figure out who the lobbyist targeted and thus we can determine that the person targeted is not the Lobbyist. It isn’t much information, but it should help us out a teensy bit.

How do you all feel about this?

I like this more than bozo's plan.

No. This plan does not work. The Lobbyist role specifically says the extra vote is only displayed at EoD.

So unless you're willing to use up an entire day of voting to find something out about the Lobbyist, it's not a good plan at all.

[Jamiet99uk]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main gimmick of this setup is that nobody knows what they are. I have a suspicion that this may have been to directly combat mech clears while still having a lot of silly roles. Also I just don't like D1 mechs discussion. Mostly that.

For me one of the fun elements of this setup is trying to work out what role I am, so that I can hopefully use my powers for good.

Don't you hope to find out your role, Bob?

Unfortunately, my role PM arrived with water damage, so I can't read it. There is no way of finding out what role I am at the moment. Maybe later, definitely not now.

Don't be deliberately stupid, it's not a good look.

We are talking about a plan to find out our roles later, definitely not now.

[damo666]

I think bozo could be scum because his plan for us to all coordinate night actions is just simply not a scalable idea, and youd never get the entire town to agree to that idea. So it felt more like bozo just trying to put on his hat where he puts forward some scheme or survey to get people thinking; and in this situation it felt like it came in super late and was super unrealistic.

So its more likely its just scum bozo throwing some random idea out there, rather than actually contributing

Neither. It's based on insufficient evidence to vote.

That occurred to me too but I wouldn't vote him simply on that because he is too valuable if town.

is this based on the expectation that he is town and hes just gonna totally ball out and become mega bozo later?

or is this based on what youve seen from him so far, and thats indicating something brilliant is yet to come?

[Jamiet99uk]

But for real, next day we should each vote the person next in line on the player list and then ask Monarch what the vote count is so we can figure out who the lobbyist targeted and thus we can determine that the person targeted is not the Lobbyist. It isn’t much information, but it should help us out a teensy bit.

How do you all feel about this?

The role PM for the lobbyist says the extra vote does not show up until EOD.

Aha Bozo knows the score as usual, spotted the same problem as myself.

[Jamiet99uk]

If you asked a random sample of 100 people the question "What colours are the two sides in a game of chess?" I think that the majority of people would give an answer mentioning white and black. Don't you?

This presumes the fact that there are, in fact, two colors on a chess board, which I do not believe to be so.

Begging the Question Fallacy. At least that weird guy in the car park who claimed to be an English professor taught me something

In normal human language, Jamie is right and Will is wrong

Thank you.

[Jamiet99uk]

BunnyGo seems to immediately read every post, if not for the sweetandcool joke, I would suspect he managed to set up a bot.

Would that even be allowed??

[BobMcBob]

Out of everybody in the game, I feel like fisch is most likely to provide an interesting response to being voted. Looking through his posts... not really. He notably didn't get very defensive about it though, which I have seen him do before, and was the main thing I was probing for.

So what did you learn from voting fisch? What are you currently learning with your vote still there?

Absolutely nothing at the moment, but it doesn't need to be moved yet. I hate the other question though because it forces me to go back over past games and admit that my memories of players aren't quite as clear as I'd like. The only games I saw lfischl being defensive D1 were both town games, although he was being pushed harder in both instances. It's not much to go off tbh.

In fact I'd probably say that my vote on lfischl provided more insight on you than it did on fisch. You seem to have spent a whole lot of posts this game talking about fisch with people. Why have you asked so many questions about interactions with him specifically? Do you have a read on him yet?

[Jamiet99uk]

Hey, I want to remind everyone that there are 5 scum slots and on a social level 5 people in 20 have an immense amount of influence over the group. I'm going to focus on my aggressive scum hunting stuff and build a PoE as fast as I can. I hope that we have a few mech-minded townies who can focus on solving the setup.

Every time i post, it jumps me to the end, and I saw someone call out frog for not having scum reads. this conflicts with that.

Also, I saw frog trying to tell me what to do, and I don't even know them yet. I'd prefer a hello first, and an understanding that I have a life outside this.

##Vote Frog

I am still only on page 4, this may change

I mean we're more than a day into the game it's reasonable to expect some level of participation

This is highly ironic coming from you, the lord high emperor of hardly ever participating.

[Jamiet99uk]

Unless something of note happens:

##VOTE FROGSTER

Sorry. I have confirmation that my suspicions of you are, in fact, valid, and I’m not being an idiot

What confirmation?

[Jamiet99uk]

Over the last 3 games, I’ve noticed that usually people who are scummy right out of the gate tend to just be unlucky and also victims of mafia manipulation. I don’t feel that lfishl should be suspicious just because of that.

How can someone be the victim of mafia manipulation "right out of the gate"?

Do you mean you think the Mafia set bear-traps in their very early posts and then use them to snag unsuspecting townies just walking along the sidewalk innocently eating vanilla ice-cream?

I think it just means that people leave openings early that mafia hook into to feed wagons later. But mafia will do that to somebody regardless. "scummy" is in the eyes of the beholder

For the record, JustAGuyNamedWill never answered my question.

[Jamiet99uk]

So much to learn about

itll make you wanna shout

Bliiiiiipiiii Bliiipiiii

How dare you. I come here for a break from my home life.

##VOTE Brainbomb

You know something funny? My wife’s friends think I look like Blippi.

your wife needs new friends. or you need a new wife. or you need to become blipi, I'm sure he is wealthy af

Wow.

Pretty harsh advising a guy to divorce his wife in the middle of a friendly game of webDip Mafia.

Jeez.

[Jamiet99uk]

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Unnecessary.

[Jamiet99uk]

Neither. It's based on insufficient evidence to vote.

That occurred to me too but I wouldn't vote him simply on that because he is too valuable if town.

is this based on the expectation that he is town and hes just gonna totally ball out and become mega bozo later?

or is this based on what youve seen from him so far, and thats indicating something brilliant is yet to come?

Did you mean to say something, Damo?

[Jamiet99uk]

So I'm all caught up.

It appears to me that Brainbomb's case against Frogsterking is totally upside-down.

Brainbomb accusesd Frog of being scum for only having Townreads. However, Frog outright said, on Page 4 of the game, that his methodology would be to build a PoE. As any experienced player knows, you do that by establishing Townreads and then applying Occam's Razor.

Frog is therefore doing exactly what he said he was going to do, and I don't think it's fair to scumread him for that.

It is weird that BK3K noticed the same Page 4 post that I did, and yet his reaction was to vote Frog as well. Really odd response to noticing that detail which, for me, actually weakens Brainbomb's case as I have said.

This leads me to suspect BK3K a little bit, I have to say.

Sweet quickly piling on looks really scummy if Frog is town; it strikes me as Sweet just looking for whatever low-hanging-fruit he can find. Like his vote for me earlier, in fact.

I am confident that if Frog is town, he is right that there is a minimum of one scum in BK3K, Sweetandcool, and Brainbomb.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Vote Sweetandcool.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Vote Sweetandcool.

(For reasoning, see my post above about the Frog wagon).

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

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Unnecessary.

That's the best kind of necessary!
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