Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[BobMcBob]

It seems to me that we could match up everyone with a role or get it down to a 50/50 with a mafia counterpart by N3 if we coordinate our night targets.

Aaaand the mechs talk has arrived, right on cue.

[BobMcBob]

We know JustAGuyNamedWill is a Mafia because they claimed to know their role, which they definitely don't.
##VOTE JustAGuyNamedWill

And you believe that only mafia would do this? Why would scum claim a role on D1 like that?

I really can’t tell if you guys are joking or what

I have no idea, but dip is still voting you for some reason. Would love to hear anything else from him.

[Nephthys]

Do you think I town read you too quickly, nephthys?

I might have to read jamie, wok and fish games in order to move forward here

Who TF is "Wok" ??

Woc

I'm not against instinct reads at all but you threw it out on page 8 when I only had one analysis post so I guess it depends on why the read is there. If its gut, then cool beans. If its content then its warm beans

[Nephthys]

My reads (not ordered within colors):
babyspice666
BK3K
BobMcBob
bozotheclown
Brainbomb
BunnyGo
Chaqa
Damo666
Diplomacy&Warfare
foodcoats
Frogsterking
Hamilton Brian
heartthrob24909
Jamiet99uk
Kakarroto
lfischl
Nephthys
sweetandcool
Worcej

JustAGuyNamedWill

So you don't have reads?

[bozotheclown]

I think bozo could be scum because his plan for us to all coordinate night actions is just simply not a scalable idea, and youd never get the entire town to agree to that idea. So it felt more like bozo just trying to put on his hat where he puts forward some scheme or survey to get people thinking; and in this situation it felt like it came in super late and was super unrealistic.

So its more likely its just scum bozo throwing some random idea out there, rather than actually contributing

I don't know what you mean by "scalable", but there is no reason why coordinating the night actions is not realistic. For N1 I think the best option is for everyone to have a different target, so we could just target the next player on the list. How else would anyone chose a target anyway when they have no idea what power they are using?

[bozotheclown]

It seems to me that we could match up everyone with a role or get it down to a 50/50 with a mafia counterpart by N3 if we coordinate our night targets.

Aaaand the mechs talk has arrived, right on cue.

What is your opinion of what I am suggesting?

[Nephthys]

I'm not sure if I said this yet: Foodoats you can go please go ahead and post a full reads list with explanations sometime over the next few hours.

Firstly, Will is my strongest scumread.

Will says:

Over the last 3 games, I’ve noticed that usually people who are scummy right out of the gate tend to just be unlucky and also victims of mafia manipulation. I don’t feel that lfishl should be suspicious just because of that.

For context, there were zero votes on lfischl at the time that Will made this statement. Slightly before Will's comment, brain was scrumreading lfischl, but was also scumreading Chaqa, and Bob was townreading lfischl. Why did Will hone in to defend lfischl here when he was really just being called scum in passing?

When I asked Will about this, his responses never addressed all my questions, which I find suspicious; but more importantly, they introduced further inconsistencies. Look at the below sequence, where he says he wanted to specifically intercede for lfischl, but then he immediately says lfischl was just a convenient example.

Lots of people have been scumread (e.g., you have scumread Neph), but you interceded specifically to say that lfischl should not be scumread early, and that he might be the victim of manipulation or bad luck.

There is nowhere else that you give reasons that lfischl is townie, or why he is not scummy.

Can you please explain in more detail why you think the scumreads of lfischl are not warranted?

The current topic was lfischl. I just used them as an example

This appears, to me, to be pure self-contradiction, and Will has simply ignored my questions where I tried to get him to clarify his position.

If Will is scum, I am not sure whether lfischl is a teammate he was defending, or a townie he decided to defend to appear good. But, due to how completely random Will's defense of lfischl was, I think it is slightly more likely that, if Will is scum, lfischl is also scum.

##VOTE JustAGuyNamedWill

This is kinda the line I'm thinking along with a town fish.
Have they played together much in thepast?

[BobMcBob]

Well I'm going to bed. ##vote lfischl

Bob, you made a couple statements that suggested you town-read lfischl (pasted below). Why did you vote for lfischl?

I feel like lfischl is being his usual overly serious and hedgy self here. Seems towny.

chaqa just felt like trying to hit a post quota and act oblivious

which when he is town he is usually pretty shameless
and will flat out tell you he hasnt read, plans not to read, doesnt care about day 1 or something to that effect.

and his posts seem strangely filler and formulaic without the shamelessness of his usual meta

and lfischl seems like someone who barely plays, rarely posts, and often coasts or just lurks. he is trying and is actually forcing some things out and it seems rushed and almost like he is just doing this to benefit his scum rand as opposed to actually solving

Okay, now I've embarassed myself even more with that crosspost lol. Chaqa's entrance did feel a little weird, but I had put that down to poor execution rather than scumminess.

Fisch I thought felt the need to respond to direct questions from frogster, which feels like something he would do. He hasn't pinged me as scum!fisch with his responses, and he definitely does lurk as scum.

Out of everybody in the game, I feel like fisch is most likely to provide an interesting response to being voted. Looking through his posts... not really. He notably didn't get very defensive about it though, which I have seen him do before, and was the main thing I was probing for.

[BobMcBob]

It seems to me that we could match up everyone with a role or get it down to a 50/50 with a mafia counterpart by N3 if we coordinate our night targets.

Aaaand the mechs talk has arrived, right on cue.

What is your opinion of what I am suggesting?

Same as every other game bozo. Except this time it may be even more uncalled for than normal.

[Nephthys]

/snip

Frogster, why haven't you asked me anything yet?

Do you have any scumreads yet?

I feel like I have played with players similar to you before and I think you are +town here. I don't expect you to say anything really telling in response to being questioned. I'm a little curious though about who you have experience with in the player list and if you have any solid meta reads other than lfishl.

I wish I had a good scum read but I haven't locked onto anyone yet.

Aside from new players, I haven't played with BK3K, heartthrob, will or sweet before.

I feel like Jamie and Kak are both acting pretty normal for them so far. Nephthys "picking a fight" with fisch so early seems pretty standard for him. Brain and Bunny are also normal but not in a way that I think makes them more likely to be town. I've got nothing from worcej. (Yes I'd already said most of that).

What do you know of my meta? Have we played together much?

[bozotheclown]

Aaaand the mechs talk has arrived, right on cue.

What is your opinion of what I am suggesting?

Same as every other game bozo. Except this time it may be even more uncalled for than normal.

I thought you helped come up with the idea for this game. Why do you think in a game where every player is a PR that we should not try to use that to our advantage?

[BK3K]

Good evening, Fellow Townspeople. I am excited that the game is here. This setup is cRaZy.

No PR hunting!

[BobMcBob]

/snip


I feel like I have played with players similar to you before and I think you are +town here. I don't expect you to say anything really telling in response to being questioned. I'm a little curious though about who you have experience with in the player list and if you have any solid meta reads other than lfishl.

I wish I had a good scum read but I haven't locked onto anyone yet.

Aside from new players, I haven't played with BK3K, heartthrob, will or sweet before.

I feel like Jamie and Kak are both acting pretty normal for them so far. Nephthys "picking a fight" with fisch so early seems pretty standard for him. Brain and Bunny are also normal but not in a way that I think makes them more likely to be town. I've got nothing from worcej. (Yes I'd already said most of that).

What do you know of my meta? Have we played together much?

I've played at least one or two games with you, so I have at least a vague idea of what I expect from you. Although to be fair it isn't much to go off.

[BK3K]

Idk what's scarier, this game setup or the fact that I'm going on a field trip to the Nether tonight with friends of mine who actually played Minecraft as kids

Hell yeah

[BobMcBob]

What is your opinion of what I am suggesting?

Same as every other game bozo. Except this time it may be even more uncalled for than normal.

I thought you helped come up with the idea for this game. Why do you think in a game where every player is a PR that we should not try to use that to our advantage?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main gimmick of this setup is that nobody knows what they are. I have a suspicion that this may have been to directly combat mech clears while still having a lot of silly roles. Also I just don't like D1 mechs discussion. Mostly that.

[bozotheclown]

I'm not sure if I said this yet: Foodoats you can go please go ahead and post a full reads list with explanations sometime over the next few hours.

Firstly, Will is my strongest scumread.

Will says:

Over the last 3 games, I’ve noticed that usually people who are scummy right out of the gate tend to just be unlucky and also victims of mafia manipulation. I don’t feel that lfishl should be suspicious just because of that.

For context, there were zero votes on lfischl at the time that Will made this statement. Slightly before Will's comment, brain was scrumreading lfischl, but was also scumreading Chaqa, and Bob was townreading lfischl. Why did Will hone in to defend lfischl here when he was really just being called scum in passing?

When I asked Will about this, his responses never addressed all my questions, which I find suspicious; but more importantly, they introduced further inconsistencies. Look at the below sequence, where he says he wanted to specifically intercede for lfischl, but then he immediately says lfischl was just a convenient example.

The current topic was lfischl. I just used them as an example

This appears, to me, to be pure self-contradiction, and Will has simply ignored my questions where I tried to get him to clarify his position.

If Will is scum, I am not sure whether lfischl is a teammate he was defending, or a townie he decided to defend to appear good. But, due to how completely random Will's defense of lfischl was, I think it is slightly more likely that, if Will is scum, lfischl is also scum.

##VOTE JustAGuyNamedWill

This is kinda the line I'm thinking along with a town fish.
Have they played together much in thepast?

They haven't previously been in a game together on this site.

[bozotheclown]

Same as every other game bozo. Except this time it may be even more uncalled for than normal.

I thought you helped come up with the idea for this game. Why do you think in a game where every player is a PR that we should not try to use that to our advantage?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main gimmick of this setup is that nobody knows what they are. I have a suspicion that this may have been to directly combat mech clears while still having a lot of silly roles. Also I just don't like D1 mechs discussion. Mostly that.

Right, so the only way to get useful information is to identify everyone's role, which of course also tells us who all the town players are. In my opinion, the fastest way to identify everyone's role is to have everyone target a different player N1 and have everyone claim their scan result, and I don't think the mafia can do a lot to obscure the results.

[BobMcBob]

I do think lfischl is scum however.

##Vote lfischl

This vote seems worth noting. Not sure what for yet.

[brainbomb]

I do think lfischl is scum however.

##Vote lfischl

This vote seems worth noting. Not sure what for yet.

This post does not seem worth noting. Not sure if it ever will be.

[BobMcBob]

##VOTE Jamiet

This is a serious vote.

Feels like they are trying extra hard to get into fights. Presumably to look town and clog up the thread with nonsense.

Do you think I am scum with BunnyGo, and that I am therefore bussing him?

What on earth kind of question is this?