Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Investigator. Trust.

We know JustAGuyNamedWill is a Mafia because they claimed to know their role, which they definitely don't.
##VOTE JustAGuyNamedWill

And you believe that only mafia would do this? Why would scum claim a role on D1 like that?

I really can’t tell if you guys are joking or what

[foodcoats]

Over the last 3 games, I’ve noticed that usually people who are scummy right out of the gate tend to just be unlucky and also victims of mafia manipulation. I don’t feel that lfishl should be suspicious just because of that.

Will, what do you think it is that appears to be scummy about lfischl (even if lfischl is not actually scum)?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Over the last 3 games, I’ve noticed that usually people who are scummy right out of the gate tend to just be unlucky and also victims of mafia manipulation. I don’t feel that lfishl should be suspicious just because of that.

Will, what do you think it is that appears to be scummy about lfischl (even if lfischl is not actually scum)?

I don’t fine anything fishy (get it) about lfischl. But there was some discussion about fisch being scummy, and I wanted to make my input heard.

[foodcoats]

Well I'm going to bed. ##vote lfischl

Bob, you made a couple statements that suggested you town-read lfischl (pasted below). Why did you vote for lfischl?

I feel like lfischl is being his usual overly serious and hedgy self here. Seems towny.

chaqa just felt like trying to hit a post quota and act oblivious

which when he is town he is usually pretty shameless
and will flat out tell you he hasnt read, plans not to read, doesnt care about day 1 or something to that effect.

and his posts seem strangely filler and formulaic without the shamelessness of his usual meta

and lfischl seems like someone who barely plays, rarely posts, and often coasts or just lurks. he is trying and is actually forcing some things out and it seems rushed and almost like he is just doing this to benefit his scum rand as opposed to actually solving

Okay, now I've embarassed myself even more with that crosspost lol. Chaqa's entrance did feel a little weird, but I had put that down to poor execution rather than scumminess.

Fisch I thought felt the need to respond to direct questions from frogster, which feels like something he would do. He hasn't pinged me as scum!fisch with his responses, and he definitely does lurk as scum.

[foodcoats]

Over the last 3 games, I’ve noticed that usually people who are scummy right out of the gate tend to just be unlucky and also victims of mafia manipulation. I don’t feel that lfishl should be suspicious just because of that.

Will, what do you think it is that appears to be scummy about lfischl (even if lfischl is not actually scum)?

I don’t fine anything fishy (get it) about lfischl. But there was some discussion about fisch being scummy, and I wanted to make my input heard.

Lots of people have been scumread (e.g., you have scumread Neph), but you interceded specifically to say that lfischl should not be scumread early, and that he might be the victim of manipulation or bad luck.

There is nowhere else that you give reasons that lfischl is townie, or why he is not scummy.

Can you please explain in more detail why you think the scumreads of lfischl are not warranted?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Will, what do you think it is that appears to be scummy about lfischl (even if lfischl is not actually scum)?

I don’t fine anything fishy (get it) about lfischl. But there was some discussion about fisch being scummy, and I wanted to make my input heard.

Lots of people have been scumread (e.g., you have scumread Neph), but you interceded specifically to say that lfischl should not be scumread early, and that he might be the victim of manipulation or bad luck.

There is nowhere else that you give reasons that lfischl is townie, or why he is not scummy.

Can you please explain in more detail why you think the scumreads of lfischl are not warranted?

The current topic was lfischl. I just used them as an example

[worcej]

There's names I don't recognize.

For those who are new, you're best to just assume everything I say is a joke for legal reasons.

unless it’s later than D3

[Jamiet99uk]

this game is unique in that the town PR who are important dont know that they are even important, which is why I would be more sus of someone like Jamie here, or someone like Chaqa here who knows their role, and if it is town they know there really is a slim chance they are someone important. I dont think either of them played normally with that possibility in mind. I think they have both played as if they need to "do" some posts to look active as opposed to really getting invested.

You can piss off with levelling that fake accusation at me. Look at your own first 8 to 10 posts. Meaningless filler posts unconnected to the game. Like Chaqa, padding your post count and then, in your case, bragging about it.

Chaqa
Brainbomb
BobMcBob
Kak

is this your list of scumreads? based on above stated criteria bob did not do this at all

You are surprisingly oblivious to how easy it is to satirise you.

The list above should be read in conjunction with this post:

You can piss off with levelling that fake accusation at me. Look at your own first 8 to 10 posts. Meaningless filler posts unconnected to the game. Like Chaqa, padding your post count and then, in your case, bragging about it.

Chaqa
Brainbomb
BobMcBob
Kak

Hey look, Brainbomb's name is on that list. I've just noticed!! That's potential evidence that he is scum (based on his own methodology).

In posting that pair of posts, I was making reference to your nonsense when you did this:

my scumreads at this present time are
lfischl
frogster
chaqa
jamie

I think bob is pretty clearly town, and sweet is also very likely town. I have some uncomfortable feelings about townreading worcej-kak-neph but nothing they said really “bothers” me necessarily.

I wasnt that impressed by Jamie posts and that could definetely also be a scumread.

my top town is probably bob just because hes a completely ridiculous person who lacks social tact and yet is incredibly charismatic in his own way

And then this:

and now I see I put Jamie in my scumreads and also said he could also be a scumread. so lets just go ahead and say Jamie is maybe mafia here

So, your stated logic for scumreading me, in the last quoted post above, is as follows:

1. I gave a list of scumreads which had Jamie in it.
2. I have noticed that Jamie's name is in that list which I just posted.
3. So let's go ahead and say that Jamie is mafia.

From a logical standpoint this is is nonsense. Rubbish. Really just utter dog shit.

Saying "and now I see I put Jamie in my scumreads" suggests that when you originally posted the list, you were not even conscious that you were typing!?!

Get it?

[worcej]

This may be helpful for us to work who we are eventually

Scan returns
Success/Failure
- Doctor
- Curfew Enforcer
- HR
- Lobbyist
- ANYONE if RB etc

Town/Mafia
- Detective
- Internal affairs (Town only)
- ECO

Role
- PI

Delivered/Undelivered
- PDB
- Door darter

Targets target
- Ruber Driver
- Middle manager

Specific person
- Pollster

Anything
- Mail man

Welcome back to hell Neph

Its been far too long, hate it when you actually have to do things in life

Well, glad to have you back.

[Jamiet99uk]

Person X scumreading me because my name is in a list posted by Person X is the most absurd reason for a scumread that I have ever encountered in 1,277 games of Mafia.

[worcej]

What do you mean by influence, I would argue no-one has more influence. Information yes, but without disclosing that they have more info that wouldn't have any further influence.

I think you overestimate the level to which scum team would work together although I do cede they have more potential to develop wagons

Do you think scum are more likely to work independently?

[worcej]

Person X scumreading me because my name is in a list posted by Person X is the most absurd reason for a scumread that I have ever encountered in 1,277 games of Mafia.

playing catchup and seeing a post like this makes me wanna ask who pissed Jamie off lol

[worcej]

Monster Trucks have great big tires
to crush the cars they land on
monster trucks can jump so high
I wonder if they could jump over the mooon

woahhhh MONSTER TRUCKS

Is BB quoting child shows this game?

[foodcoats]

I don’t fine anything fishy (get it) about lfischl. But there was some discussion about fisch being scummy, and I wanted to make my input heard.

Lots of people have been scumread (e.g., you have scumread Neph), but you interceded specifically to say that lfischl should not be scumread early, and that he might be the victim of manipulation or bad luck.

There is nowhere else that you give reasons that lfischl is townie, or why he is not scummy.

Can you please explain in more detail why you think the scumreads of lfischl are not warranted?

The current topic was lfischl. I just used them as an example

Okay, but with the below post, were you saying that, in general, town should not make scumreads early in D1 (and lfischl was just a convenient example)?

Over the last 3 games, I’ve noticed that usually people who are scummy right out of the gate tend to just be unlucky and also victims of mafia manipulation. I don’t feel that lfishl should be suspicious just because of that.

If so, why did you scumread Neph? What makes Neph a valid scumread? Or is your scumread of Neph no different than others' scumreads of lfischl? If so, why did you make the scumread at all?

At this point everyone is null to me, except for neph. I very slightly scumread neph, because they got immediately into the mechs, which feels to me like scum thinking of a strategy beforehand and then implementing it too fast.

I could just as easily be wrong but who knows. Only neph.

Also @Frogster if you weren’t from a completely separate community I would say suspicion for another player this early is not a good look, but I digress.

[worcej]

I also very much enjoy Bunny and I know having been a GM the secret theory crafting he does behind the scenes and how he tries to express his view of the game via god chats. there is always alot in his head that doesnt end up in the thread and I think that actually helps him to work out all the kinks in his own thinking. so if you see him giving +1 to people just be aware that man is always thinking and its usually very deep and impactful concepts

He’s the ChatGPT of computers.

[worcej]

I need to know if worcej is town or if his posts are just super scummy. I wanna think its clean and good worcej here

Was I funny?

[worcej]

Aaaaaaaand the joke phase is gone. Usually we get at least 13 pages.

Why do you all type scum!(name) and town!(name) with the exclamation point?

I actually never asked this and just started doing it because I saw others doing it

[brainbomb]

God I’m starting to sound like you all. God save me

It really comes with the territory
the slang the verbiage

are you down to become my ally and form a voting
bloc with me and sweetycool?

brainbomb, are sweetycool and Will your strongest townreads?

Why would you propose becoming an "ally" and forming a "voting bloc" versus simply debating your top scumreads with them to see if your ideas are aligned?

Are you troubled by the idea
or upset that you arent part of the LU BOYS?
will is our honorary LU lion here

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Lots of people have been scumread (e.g., you have scumread Neph), but you interceded specifically to say that lfischl should not be scumread early, and that he might be the victim of manipulation or bad luck.

There is nowhere else that you give reasons that lfischl is townie, or why he is not scummy.

Can you please explain in more detail why you think the scumreads of lfischl are not warranted?

The current topic was lfischl. I just used them as an example

Okay, but with the below post, were you saying that, in general, town should not make scumreads early in D1 (and lfischl was just a convenient example)?

Over the last 3 games, I’ve noticed that usually people who are scummy right out of the gate tend to just be unlucky and also victims of mafia manipulation. I don’t feel that lfishl should be suspicious just because of that.

If so, why did you scumread Neph? What makes Neph a valid scumread? Or is your scumread of Neph no different than others' scumreads of lfischl? If so, why did you make the scumread at all?

At this point everyone is null to me, except for neph. I very slightly scumread neph, because they got immediately into the mechs, which feels to me like scum thinking of a strategy beforehand and then implementing it too fast.

I could just as easily be wrong but who knows. Only neph.

Also @Frogster if you weren’t from a completely separate community I would say suspicion for another player this early is not a good look, but I digress.

Neph is extremely slights scummy to me, but not enough to warrant a vote.

[worcej]

I hope babyspice shows up… I want to see them in action D1

Why?