M1027: Community - Game Thread

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

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I guess we should settle on the night vote first.

VT VOTE Heart

[BK3K]

Now I’m going to say that BK and sweet are both probably town. It would be really unlucky if they were both mafia

Sometimes it really do be like that.

This also resolves my paranoia about bozo maybe trying to steer us wrong. He was wrong about Sweet but his motives were pure

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Since Bozo died:

VT Vote Count

(Heart) 1: Just

[heartthrob24909]

- Jamie stopped picking fights with VT claims on Night 2. The VT claim in question belonged to Ghug, who has since then famously been confirmed as Vanilla Town. He did take note of it later on but did not take offense as he had when Sweet had (a lot more subtly) done the same at the start of D1.

You realise Ghug is outed as scum, yah?

Yeah. "Famously confirmed as VT" was meant to be facetious. Sorry for lack of clarity

[heartthrob24909]

Now I’m going to say that BK and sweet are both probably town. It would be really unlucky if they were both mafia

Here's where I wonder if we drop the parity cop for the next night phase: if VTs calibrate the investigation off of either BK or Sweet, we will find out whether the two of them together have an opposite alignment to some third person. With only 2 scum left after we dayvote Ghug, then if BK, Sweet, and the VT Target all share an alignment, all 3 are confirmed town. If they are opposite then we've either towncleared 2 and caught 1 scum or caught both scum. What do people think about that?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Now I’m going to say that BK and sweet are both probably town. It would be really unlucky if they were both mafia

Here's where I wonder if we drop the parity cop for the next night phase: if VTs calibrate the investigation off of either BK or Sweet, we will find out whether the two of them together have an opposite alignment to some third person. With only 2 scum left after we dayvote Ghug, then if BK, Sweet, and the VT Target all share an alignment, all 3 are confirmed town. If they are opposite then we've either towncleared 2 and caught 1 scum or caught both scum. What do people think about that?

I was just thinking this

[heartthrob24909]

And sorry to have lost bozo but also a bit relieved -- were someone NK'd over him I'd get nervous that bozo were scum.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I’m going to do some math regarding the success of investigating BK or sweet. Let me cook for just a sec and I’ll be back

[heartthrob24909]

##vote ghug

[worcej]

##vote ghug
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Also good with a heart night vote.

And to clarify - this means BK3K and Sweet are opposite alignments?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##vote ghug
##end

Also good with a heart night vote.

And to clarify - this means BK3K and Sweet are opposite alignments?

Same alignment

[heartthrob24909]

##vote ghug
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Also good with a heart night vote.

And to clarify - this means BK3K and Sweet are opposite alignments?

No, it means they're the same

[heartthrob24909]

Going to go back through BK3K's activity later tonight. Nothing he's done or said so far has explicitly triggered my scum-dar (in fact, I even liked his Day 1 at least through my first reread) but he did play a very good scum game at work where he was pretty under the radar the whole time, not too dissimilar to this one. Will report back.

[sweetandcool]

Wild stab in the dark, Heart and Will are scumteam. Parity cop is killing it

I will make a small argument about why BK3K and I are not scum together in a post a little later.

Just an assessment of the situation:

Ghug is scum, we are going to assume BK3K and sweetandcool are town together

That leaves us with:

Rdr
Heart
worcej
Jamiet
Will
Chaqa.

If we chose one of these players, and investigator investigates another, we will have a parity scan.

If it returns same alignment, then we have either:

1. Caught the scum team
2. Caught a pair of towns, making BK3K and myself more viable candidates for the scum team or narrowing the field significantly though we won't know which.

If it returns opposite alignment:

1. We have a 50/50 on who is scum.
2. We have absolved sweetandcool and BK3K completely.

Of course, Mafia is likely to NK one of us anyways.

[ghug]

I think we should leave ghug alive since he's a guaranteed townie and we can use that to investigate people.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Math Time!!!1!:

INVESTIGATE SWEET/ BK3K PLAN
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(I will be using (A) as an example of the investigator’s target and sweet as the community target for simplicity’s sake)

In any case: ghug will be killed and someone else will as well. This leaves it 5-2 at the beginning of D5

OPTION 1: (A) was found be the investigator to be a DIFFERENT ALIGNMENT from sweet
In this scenario it is smartest to kill (A). If (A) is found to be mafia, we have two confirmed clears. This means we would have 4-1 going into D6 with one confirmed clear (if mafia is smart enough to kill one of the clears)

If (A), after being killed, is found to be town, we win the game, as that would mean

OPTION 2: (A) was found by the investigator to be the SAME ALIGNMENT as sweet

In this scenario we have three confirmed clears [BK,
sweet, and (A)], and one investigator who (at that point if they were not NKed), should reveal themselves. We
would then have 4 clears in a 5-2 scenario. We win the game by process of elimination.

P.S. Sorry for the weird indentation. Notepad has different margins than WebDip

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Wild stab in the dark, Heart and Will are scumteam. Parity cop is killing it

I will make a small argument about why BK3K and I are not scum together in a post a little later.

Just an assessment of the situation:

Ghug is scum, we are going to assume BK3K and sweetandcool are town together

That leaves us with:

Rdr
Heart
worcej
Jamiet
Will
Chaqa.

If we chose one of these players, and investigator investigates another, we will have a parity scan.

If it returns same alignment, then we have either:

1. Caught the scum team
2. Caught a pair of towns, making BK3K and myself more viable candidates for the scum team or narrowing the field significantly though we won't know which.

If it returns opposite alignment:

1. We have a 50/50 on who is scum.
2. We have absolved sweetandcool and BK3K completely.

Of course, Mafia is likely to NK one of us anyways.

My previous post has outlined how incredibly successful scanning you would be. This makes me think you are scum.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I am 99% sure sweet is scum with BK. I personally think that sweet saw that his partner was going to be killed if anyone else was investigated and it came up with different alignment, so he made himself as sus as possible so he could save BK from immediate death.

Man I cannot wait to be so gosh darn right about this.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

REVISED EDITION bc I cannot spell

INVESTIGATE SWEET/ BK3K PLAN
——————————————————
(I will be using (A) as an example of the investigator’s target and sweet as the community target for simplicity’s sake)

In any case: ghug will be killed and someone else will as well. This leaves it 5-2 at the beginning of D5

OPTION 1: (A) was found be the investigator to be a DIFFERENT ALIGNMENT from sweet
In this scenario it is smartest to kill (A). If (A) is found to be mafia, we have two confirmed clears. This means we would have 4-1 going into D6 with one confirmed clear (if mafia is smart enough to kill one of the clears)

If (A), after being killed, is found to be town, we win the game, as that would mean BK and sweet are the two remaining mafia

OPTION 2: (A) was found by the investigator to be the SAME ALIGNMENT as sweet

In this scenario we have three confirmed clears [BK,
sweet, and (A)], and one investigator who (at that point if they were not NKed), should reveal themselves. We
would then have 4 clears in a 5-2 scenario. We win the game by process of elimination.

[sweetandcool]

I think Heart and Will realize the power of the Parity scan, and are desperate to make us waste time.

Killing Bozo because the rest of town seems apathetic and not solving, and they knew he would stick to the parity plan.

I think they are so desperate they are willing to even be obvious now.