M1027: Community - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

VT Selection Vote Count:

BK3K (3) worcej heart sweetandcool
heart (2) bozo Just
ghug (2) Jamie BK3K
rdrivera (1) ghug
worcej (1) rdrivera
sweetandcool (1) Monarch

[bozotheclown]

Maybe if being scanned is a death sentence, don't want to scan our cop.

If we get the scum correct today, the monarch rotation plan will work as over 50% well necessarily choose town. The result will always be wrong.

If we get the scum wrong today, there is the chance that 3 scum are scanned and 3 town are scanned. But there is a chance more town are scanned, so the plan would be ambiguous.

The mafia still get to NK someone, they have as much a chance of NKing the investigator as the town does of making a town clear of the investigator.

I kind of agree with the mad monarch's post about parity cop tho. And she with Jamie that we should scan ghug instead of this carrosal thing I have here

I think N1 and N2 both showed the benefit of the parity check. If we had done the cop scan option N1, damo would have been cleared as he was NKed and we would have not cleared dargorygel, who based on D1 was a potential mis-kill. If we had done the cop scan option N2 and Monarch is mafia, we would have identified Monarch but not cleared ghug, who based on D2 was a potential mis-kill. If we had done the cop scan option N2 and Monarch is town, we would have cleared Monarch and not identified ghug as mafia.

[Jamiet99uk]

This should probably be conditional on which of me and Monarch ends up being scum.

If Monarch flips town we should vote you again tonight because then we will have a 100% clear scan outcome.

That is no different than the plan Monarch suggested D1. A publicly announced cop scan is good, but I think a parity check on 2 more players is better.

It wouldn't have worked N1.

[rdrivera2005]

This should probably be conditional on which of me and Monarch ends up being scum.

If Monarch flips town we should vote you again tonight because then we will have a 100% clear scan outcome.

That is no different than the plan Monarch suggested D1. A publicly announced cop scan is good, but I think a parity check on 2 more players is better.

I think we need to do the math. We are now 8-3. If we are right about Monarch (seems the DK today), scum kill Ghug and we will be 7-2 D4. Seems fine to use the party cop again to get another 50/50 or two town or two Mafia.

If we are wrong, scum kill another town and we will be 6-3 tomorrow and we will need to kill Ghug tomorrow. If we got another 50/50 or same alignment we can use the Investigator again to decide on who is scum or clear.

So it's seems fine to use the parity cop at least one more time.

[rdrivera2005]

If Monarch flips town we should vote you again tonight because then we will have a 100% clear scan outcome.

That is no different than the plan Monarch suggested D1. A publicly announced cop scan is good, but I think a parity check on 2 more players is better.

I think we need to do the math. We are now 8-3. If we are right about Monarch (seems the DK today), scum kill Ghug and we will be 7-2 D4. Seems fine to use the party cop again to get another 50/50 or two town or two Mafia.

If we are wrong, scum kill another town and we will be 6-3 tomorrow and we will need to kill Ghug tomorrow. If we got another 50/50 or same alignment we can use the Investigator again to decide on who is scum or clear.

So it's seems fine to use the parity cop at least one more time.

Thr biggest flaw in my thoughts on the previous post is if the Investigator is killed.

[rdrivera2005]

The mafia still get to NK someone, they have as much a chance of NKing the investigator as the town does of making a town clear of the investigator.

I kind of agree with the mad monarch's post about parity cop tho. And she with Jamie that we should scan ghug instead of this carrosal thing I have here

I think N1 and N2 both showed the benefit of the parity check. If we had done the cop scan option N1, damo would have been cleared as he was NKed and we would have not cleared dargorygel, who based on D1 was a potential mis-kill. If we had done the cop scan option N2 and Monarch is mafia, we would have identified Monarch but not cleared ghug, who based on D2 was a potential mis-kill. If we had done the cop scan option N2 and Monarch is town, we would have cleared Monarch and not identified ghug as mafia.

Yes, until we have the numbers to afford a miskill on a 50/50 situation (or to check a same alignment pair) the parity cop is the best choice.

[bozotheclown]

That is no different than the plan Monarch suggested D1. A publicly announced cop scan is good, but I think a parity check on 2 more players is better.

I agreed day 1 but now I'm nervous

Every outcome leads to a 50/50 choice, either between two people or on them as a bundle. It can tie up our actions for two day cycles

We have less of a chance of mis-killing in a 1 out of 2 choice than 3 out of 11.

[bozotheclown]

If Monarch flips town we should vote you again tonight because then we will have a 100% clear scan outcome.

That is no different than the plan Monarch suggested D1. A publicly announced cop scan is good, but I think a parity check on 2 more players is better.

It wouldn't have worked N1.

Why would the plan Monarch suggested D1 not have worked N1?

[bozotheclown]

It is interesting that the remaining D2 ghug voters have all voted for Monarch.

[Chaqa]

Hi Chaqa!

Hello!

[Chaqa]

Goodnight!

Goodbye!

[Chaqa]

VT VOTE Ghug

Seems obvious to me:

1. We flip MadMo, therefore also learning Ghug's alignment.
2. The VTs all guess Ghug again tonight, allowing the Cop to get a 100% accurate scan with no ambiguity.

If Macca flips mafia and scum kill ghug, does that break anything?

I.e. does the guessee need to be alive? I don't think so?

[Chaqa]

This should probably be conditional on which of me and Monarch ends up being scum.

If Monarch flips town we should vote you again tonight because then we will have a 100% clear scan outcome.

Am I actually the first person to point this out?

Makes me wonder why our mechs-heads like Bozo hadn't yet... hmm

[Chaqa]

It is interesting that the remaining D2 ghug voters have all voted for Monarch.

If there's scum in that group, they failed to save Brian yesterday. Ghug and Monarch being the other two wagons means there were two scum up on the block for sure.

So either they are now voting Monarch to make sure scum!ghug has to be daykilled after Monarch, or to make sure they get town cred for killing scum!Monarch.

I bet there's some good VCA to be had here, but I see no point in doing it until we find out which of these two is scum, since I'm lazy.

[Jamiet99uk]

That is no different than the plan Monarch suggested D1. A publicly announced cop scan is good, but I think a parity check on 2 more players is better.

It wouldn't have worked N1.

Why would the plan Monarch suggested D1 not have worked N1?

Because there wouldn't have been a living person with a confirmed known alignment to use as the control target.

[Jamiet99uk]

It is interesting that the remaining D2 ghug voters have all voted for Monarch.

I voted for Monarch because Monarch did not vote for Ghug.

[Jamiet99uk]

VT VOTE Ghug

Seems obvious to me:

1. We flip MadMo, therefore also learning Ghug's alignment.
2. The VTs all guess Ghug again tonight, allowing the Cop to get a 100% accurate scan with no ambiguity.

If Macca flips mafia and scum kill ghug, does that break anything?

I.e. does the guessee need to be alive? I don't think so?

No, they only need to be alive during the night, not at the end of it.

[worcej]

VT VOTE Ghug

Seems obvious to me:

1. We flip MadMo, therefore also learning Ghug's alignment.
2. The VTs all guess Ghug again tonight, allowing the Cop to get a 100% accurate scan with no ambiguity.

Jaime is lock!town?

Will finish catching up before switching

[worcej]

The mafia still get to NK someone, they have as much a chance of NKing the investigator as the town does of making a town clear of the investigator.

I kind of agree with the mad monarch's post about parity cop tho. And she with Jamie that we should scan ghug instead of this carrosal thing I have here

I think N1 and N2 both showed the benefit of the parity check. If we had done the cop scan option N1, damo would have been cleared as he was NKed and we would have not cleared dargorygel, who based on D1 was a potential mis-kill. If we had done the cop scan option N2 and Monarch is mafia, we would have identified Monarch but not cleared ghug, who based on D2 was a potential mis-kill. If we had done the cop scan option N2 and Monarch is town, we would have cleared Monarch and not identified ghug as mafia.

Do you think there is merit into switching the approach eventually?

[worcej]

If Monarch flips town we should vote you again tonight because then we will have a 100% clear scan outcome.

That is no different than the plan Monarch suggested D1. A publicly announced cop scan is good, but I think a parity check on 2 more players is better.

I think we need to do the math. We are now 8-3. If we are right about Monarch (seems the DK today), scum kill Ghug and we will be 7-2 D4. Seems fine to use the party cop again to get another 50/50 or two town or two Mafia.

If we are wrong, scum kill another town and we will be 6-3 tomorrow and we will need to kill Ghug tomorrow. If we got another 50/50 or same alignment we can use the Investigator again to decide on who is scum or clear.

So it's seems fine to use the parity cop at least one more time.

I think this is a fair analysis.

Rdr town points going up as well.