M1027: Community - Game Thread

[Chaqa]

OK I got a thorough explanation of how this works from Bunny.

I'll assume whatever Bozo is saying is the truth mechanics-wise, but also that probably means he's scum.

Just wanting to get back on the record that Chaqa, at this early point in the game, considered bozo scum. Was this a joke post? Where else have the two differed or aligned during this game?

I suspect Jamie because H̷̞̙̑̌̑̽̇̄͐̿̋̋̊̈́͝͝d̶̛̛̼̯͕̗̮̹̯̜̥̜͊̑͛͒̈̀̽͛̚h̸̨͕̹̝̳͎͖̪̠̩̥͔̜̮̍̂͆͂̓̚ͅm̸̧̛͎͙̭͍͋͆͛̃̂͆̐̿̅́̅̕͜e̷̱͕͇̜͔̤͕̟̻̥̠̰̳͂͘͜į̶̛̙̻͍̟̳̺̫̘͌̆́̑͛ḻ̷̛̛̰̯̭̯̳̘͉͔̈́͐̎̈́̍́̐̀̌͝a̸͎͔̟̩̥͇̭͍̳̙͕̙͂̾̀̀̐̊̂̐̚͜͠͠ͅl̸̨̪̼͔̮͕̼̥̥̳̖̣̩̼̅̋̀̾̿͛̀͗́͘͠r̴̟̬̳̾̑̿͊̀̆̋͒̃̚b̸̨͉͔̣͚̱͕͖̮̿͋̉̆d̸̜̏͛͛̒̇͂̒̊͗͊̕͝͝i̴̡̢̺͈̟̬̰̙͌̓̽͌̐̇̾͒͑͆̔̚͘̕͝ḯ̵̧̘̰̉͋̿̌͑̿̾̓̂͑̒͗̿͝a̵̡̮͇̙̝̼̜͓͊̆͂̆̒̉̒̍̕͘̚̚̕n̵̟̄̔̏͗͌͑̈̈́̒͝j̴̧̛̠̠̖͕̭̭̣̮̼̳̖̙̖͗͆̀́̐̏͋͗̈́̕͜͝e̵̢̤͇͓̟̜̖͕̘̟̮̪͗̂͆̈́́̓̄͗̇̿̌͋̎͜ͅǐ̴̢͍̼̩̤͇̲̭̙͊̀͛͋̇̆͑̈́̈́͠ȩ̵̧͖͖̥̰̫̙̼̀͝k̵͈̻͎̯̺͕̗̩̙͖̟̲̗̈́ͅd̵̛̘͋̎̀̔̊͋͌̒m̶̢̛̗̗͓̙̏̓̾̃̀͂͒̏̋͒̏́̋̀ḏ̷̦̣̯̜̉̿̈́ͅm̶̪͇͇͍̈́͗͑ȩ̵̢̮͔̣͓͓͎͉͚̺̣̖̝͐̅̌͂̎͂̈́̓̓̌̄̍̂̚͘ ̴̧͔̖̹̖̞̬̞̥̰̭̐̊̐̅̌̐͌͛k̵̢̧͙̲̮͍͈̝̦̞̻̠͌̕͝d̶̰̗͙͉̹̥̦͋́̾̍̔̒̒̕͘ͅk̵̮̠̞̤̗̹͊̃̐͊͒͋̓́͘̕ḑ̶̛̬̖̯͎̫̗̪̙̎̑͌́̒̈́̅̇̈́̔̋̋̋͘m̶̛̲̘̽̍̋̍͆̆͆͊̂͊͘d̸̡͍̯̬̳͈͙̻̫̿͆͂̄̃̀̈̅̈́̉͘͝͝͝m̷̧̡̝̲̘͚̜̫̱̺͕̙̖͕̱͋͗͊̎̄̂͑̌s̵͔̻̬̜͓̈́̿̒͊̋͐͝͝k̶̨̢̧͎͉̩̣̬̙̗̙̲̺͍͉̉̓̃̎́́͋̀͂̓͂̀͋͂͘j̶͍͖̇͒͑̅̋̈́͆̐͘̚͝ḋ̶̳͉̦͇̫̺̗̪̠͖͓̻͊̓͛̑́͐͐̐́̐̉͜ͅͅn̴͎͛̊͋̌̽̔̊̒͌͋̂̚͘͝d̸̻̦̺̞̝̽̑̾͗̍̉̀͋̑̔̓͑̔̈́s̵̥͉̳̥̞̖̤̘͈͇͕͕̫̳͗̋̈́̊̓̈́̀́͛̍̉̕̕͠ͅn̴̢̨̜̙̰̙̺̘̭̘̈̊̀̋̐̉̀̆͒̄͌͆͊͘ ̷̼̫̟̟̽̇̽̔̈́͊̓͠

Is there something going on here in this post? I can't figure out what's going on with the funky font/direction.

So it was either a joke sus of jamie or there's more to it? Chaqa, what's your gut on Jamie on D2?

These two were joke posts.

Jamie's behavior today doesn't really seem like scum!Jamie. I feel like this is the same thing that always happens with him. I'm not sure how I view sweet or B3K voting Jamie here, but I think ghug going after Jamie is extremely cliche.

##Vote damo

Come out and play

Great, after being sus of Jamie in the preceding post, comes out and declares that it's probably not scum jamie. That seems to align with a few of us looking at jamie's reactions and connecting it to previous games.

And then you vote Damo. You didn't end there, as we know, as you went to Kak. What was up with Damo that you felt they were an appropriate vote?

This one was real.

[Chaqa]

My assessment of Chaqa based on D1 was that of kind of floating but I find an alignment with them; didn't care for the argument on Darg, never really explains the Kak vote.

I find Chaqa kind of floaty through D1. Why did you vote Kak when you identified other alternatives?

I wasn't feeling the Darg wagon. I would have also voted for Will or you, but those wagons didn't really jump off like the Kak one.

[Chaqa]

FWIW, I have opinions on a few players but my concern is they are the PR and not actually scum…

There is only one PR

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

FWIW, I have opinions on a few players but my concern is they are the PR and not actually scum…

There is only one PR

I think he’s worried one of them might be that PR.

[ghug]

FWIW, I have opinions on a few players but my concern is they are the PR and not actually scum…

There is only one PR

I think he’s worried one of them might be that PR.

He shouldn't be sharing that in any case, because now either he doesn't share reads and is scummy for it or does and they're hyperscrutinized by the scum team.

[bozotheclown]

From my POV, these are the players that need to be resolved:
BK3K
Chaqa
ghug
Hamilton
heartthrob
Jamie
Just
rdrivera
sweetandcool
Monarch
worcej

Around 2 hours before D1 EOD, all of these players were voting for confirmed town (damo, dargorygel, or Kakarroto) or not voting. That means any distance voting of scum teammates was over and there was no bussing at that time. I think what we decided to do with the scan probably helped discourage bussing, because the mafia would want to avoid ending up as the second wagon. In any case, the mafia were in a good position, with all votes on town with the possible exception of my vote on Hamilton.

Assigning Just to his most recent vote of damo, the possible mafia were distributed like this approximately 2 hours before EOD:
dargorygel: ghug heartth​rob rdrivera
Kakarroto: swe​etandcool Monarc​h worcej
damo: BK3K Chaqa Hamilton Jamie Just

A Just wagon formed to replace the damo wagon after damo's fake soft claiming, and the Hamilton wagon formed near EOD, otherwise not much else happened.

At least half of the Just votes seemed to have been a joke.

I think it is interesting that none of the damo voters moved directly to dargorygel or Kakarroto.

The D2 votes have been static for a while now:

sweetandcool: Just Monarch Jamie Chaqa
bozotheclown: Hamilton sweetandcool
ghug: dargorygel worcej
Monarch: ghug heartthrob
Hamilton: rdrivera BK3K

The only players voting together in both cases are ghug and heartthrob.

I feel like the Neon principle is in effect and the D1 mafia distribution was 2-1-1 at 2 hours, and the mafia are almost certainly spread out now, unless they are bussing sweetandcool. It is also possible for sweetandcool to be mafia and all of the mafia to be voting for town again.

Hamilton and sweetandcool both voting for me after I spent some time N1 trying to determine if they could be mafia teammates is interesting, I don't know why they would want to connect themselves that way as mafia.

I think there could be one mafia in Hamilton/sweetandcool and one mafia in ghug/heartthrob. I also suspect there were 2 mafia in the damo wagon who were looking for a place to move their vote. If Hamilton is mafia, BK3K and/or heartthrob could have bussed him at D1 EOD for maximum town credit.

I think this mafia team has at least 2 members who have successfully avoided suspicion, possibly more.

##VOTE heartthrob

[Jamiet99uk]

I checked the bot and saw a large sweet wagon. Assumed it’s for something.

Had you seen the EoN investigator reveal at that point?

No.

You are aware that the only PR mechanic in the game is one involving a public reveal, and you voted without checking what that public reveal told us.

I see.

[Jamiet99uk]

No - quite frankly I have little energy for the game after all the mechs. But I am reading the game and checking in, so I am not going to sub out just because I am feeling meh about the game.

And before someone suggests it: this is NAI. Go ahead and try to spin it if you want, but you’re a fool for trying either way.

I was going to townread you for it but I guess I won't.

Good - you shouldn’t and you know it

Openwolfing?

[Jamiet99uk]

FWIW, I have opinions on a few players but my concern is they are the PR and not actually scum…

Potentially towny mindset; better.

[Jamiet99uk]

FWIW, I have opinions on a few players but my concern is they are the PR and not actually scum…

There is only one PR

Yes Chaqa, hence he said "the PR" - singular.

[Jamiet99uk]

There is only one PR

I think he’s worried one of them might be that PR.

He shouldn't be sharing that in any case, because now either he doesn't share reads and is scummy for it or does and they're hyperscrutinized by the scum team.

Worcej as scum is good at finding PRs, as you know from being scum with him recently.

[Jamiet99uk]

From my POV, these are the players that need to be resolved:
BK3K
Chaqa
ghug
Hamilton
heartthrob
Jamie
Just
rdrivera
sweetandcool
Monarch
worcej

Bozo, this list is literally just every living player that isn't yourself or Dargorygel (who is townclear).

[Jamiet99uk]

I think what we decided to do with the scan probably helped discourage bussing, because the mafia would want to avoid ending up as the second wagon.

^ This is a useful observation and I think you must be right.

Assigning Just to his most recent vote of damo, the possible mafia were distributed like this approximately 2 hours before EOD:
dargorygel: ghug, heartth​rob, rdrivera
Kakarroto: swe​etandcool, Monarc​h, worcej
damo: BK3K, Chaqa, Hamilton, Jamie, Just

A Just wagon formed to replace the damo wagon after damo's fake soft claiming, and the Hamilton wagon formed near EOD, otherwise not much else happened.

At least half of the Just votes seemed to have been a joke.

I think it is interesting that none of the damo voters moved directly to dargorygel or Kakarroto.

The D2 votes have been static for a while now:

sweetandcool: Just, Monarch, Jamie, Chaqa
bozotheclown: Hamilton, sweetandcool
ghug: dargorygel, worcej
Monarch: ghug, heartthrob
Hamilton: rdrivera, BK3K

The only players voting together in both cases are ghug and heartthrob.

I feel like the Neon principle is in effect and the D1 mafia distribution was 2-1-1 at 2 hours, and the mafia are almost certainly spread out now, unless they are bussing sweetandcool. It is also possible for sweetandcool to be mafia and all of the mafia to be voting for town again.

Hamilton and sweetandcool both voting for me after I spent some time N1 trying to determine if they could be mafia teammates is interesting, I don't know why they would want to connect themselves that way as mafia.

I think there could be one mafia in Hamilton/sweetandcool and one mafia in ghug/heartthrob. I also suspect there were 2 mafia in the damo wagon who were looking for a place to move their vote. If Hamilton is mafia, BK3K and/or heartthrob could have bussed him at D1 EOD for maximum town credit.

I think this mafia team has at least 2 members who have successfully avoided suspicion, possibly more.

##VOTE heartthrob

This is a reasonable line of thinking. However on the basis of your thinking, I am going to go back to ##Vote Hamilton.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Hamilton Brian:

You voted Bozo at the start of the phase and have kept your vote on him ever since. I have repeatedly asked you* to explain why you scumread Bozo, and you have declined to do so.

Discuss.

* On p.48, p.49, and p.50 in particular

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo: Let's resolve Hamilton today.

[Hamilton Brian]

@Hamilton Brian:

You voted Bozo at the start of the phase and have kept your vote on him ever since. I have repeatedly asked you* to explain why you scumread Bozo, and you have declined to do so.

Discuss.

* On p.48, p.49, and p.50 in particular

I felt like bozo was hyperfocused on sweet and myself over the course of N1. I read it as him working to create a case out of what he read/observed. I disagreed with his assessments. I think that's a mafia tactic to poison the atmosphere.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Hamilton Brian:

You voted Bozo at the start of the phase and have kept your vote on him ever since. I have repeatedly asked you* to explain why you scumread Bozo, and you have declined to do so.

Discuss.

* On p.48, p.49, and p.50 in particular

I felt like bozo was hyperfocused on sweet and myself over the course of N1. I read it as him working to create a case out of what he read/observed. I disagreed with his assessments. I think that's a mafia tactic to poison the atmosphere.

So.

1. Why didn't you say that earlier when *repeatedly* asked?

2. You think Sweet is town, then, just to be clear?

[rdrivera2005]

From my POV, these are the players that need to be resolved:
BK3K
Chaqa
ghug
Hamilton
heartthrob
Jamie
Just
rdrivera
sweetandcool
Monarch
worcej

Around 2 hours before D1 EOD, all of these players were voting for confirmed town (damo, dargorygel, or Kakarroto) or not voting. That means any distance voting of scum teammates was over and there was no bussing at that time. I think what we decided to do with the scan probably helped discourage bussing, because the mafia would want to avoid ending up as the second wagon. In any case, the mafia were in a good position, with all votes on town with the possible exception of my vote on Hamilton.

Assigning Just to his most recent vote of damo, the possible mafia were distributed like this approximately 2 hours before EOD:
dargorygel: ghug heartth​rob rdrivera
Kakarroto: swe​etandcool Monarc​h worcej
damo: BK3K Chaqa Hamilton Jamie Just

A Just wagon formed to replace the damo wagon after damo's fake soft claiming, and the Hamilton wagon formed near EOD, otherwise not much else happened.

At least half of the Just votes seemed to have been a joke.

I think it is interesting that none of the damo voters moved directly to dargorygel or Kakarroto.

The D2 votes have been static for a while now:

sweetandcool: Just Monarch Jamie Chaqa
bozotheclown: Hamilton sweetandcool
ghug: dargorygel worcej
Monarch: ghug heartthrob
Hamilton: rdrivera BK3K

The only players voting together in both cases are ghug and heartthrob.

I feel like the Neon principle is in effect and the D1 mafia distribution was 2-1-1 at 2 hours, and the mafia are almost certainly spread out now, unless they are bussing sweetandcool. It is also possible for sweetandcool to be mafia and all of the mafia to be voting for town again.

Hamilton and sweetandcool both voting for me after I spent some time N1 trying to determine if they could be mafia teammates is interesting, I don't know why they would want to connect themselves that way as mafia.

I think there could be one mafia in Hamilton/sweetandcool and one mafia in ghug/heartthrob. I also suspect there were 2 mafia in the damo wagon who were looking for a place to move their vote. If Hamilton is mafia, BK3K and/or heartthrob could have bussed him at D1 EOD for maximum town credit.

I think this mafia team has at least 2 members who have successfully avoided suspicion, possibly more.

##VOTE heartthrob

I liked the first part of your analisys, the game mech gives little incentive for scum to be bussing and the three main D1 wagons D1 being town show this. The lack of great movements on EOD is also probably affected by that, but we have to quick wagons on Just and Ham.

I don´t agree much with the last part. Basing all the analysis on an arbitrary (2-1-1) wagon distibution seems like Damo´s attemps to shorten the possible pairing based in his own assumptions. On D1 with little incentive to buss and little movement at the end, we could have other kind of distribution like 2 -2- 0 or even 0-3-1 or something like that. There is more or less what I was criticizing on Hamilton talking about Kak´s voters, this kind of analysis looks like an excuse to not consider peoples actions and motivations.

For example, you are voting Heart. Do you think his vote on Ham with 08 minutes to EOD to put him on the lead is bussing or do you think he just decided to change from one town to other town to get some attention or what?

[heartthrob24909]

Good morning.

Catching up from top of 56 but might go kinda slowly since i've also been putting together a D1 summary. That's also why I haven't been as actively chiming in.

[heartthrob24909]

Target me! The objectively worst player! That’s when things get reaaallly interesting

The objectively worst player, so far.

I’m actually a secret genius hiding among you, and at any point I could point out all 4 mafia, but that wouldn’t make the game fun, so I sit back and hope my team wins.

Ik this is a joke but the fact that this makes perfect sense if the context is that Just is mafia...