M1027: Community - Game Thread

[worcej]

Also, in looking at Bozo I did some VCA.

Why is nobody talking about how wild that the top wagons were all town?

damo=town.
darg=town.
Kak=town.

Unless Ham or Jam (or even sweetandcool) is Mafia, then Mafia didn't even get a vote D1.

Either way, Town was way off base, and we need to think about that instead of letting this bullshit about me swallow all of the oxygen from the thread.

Town is normally off-base. Only reason you died so easily last game was because we bussed you and will was floundering on D1 hard.

[worcej]

Lastly, I think an important question to ponder is what type of team would NK damo?

My maf team certainly wouldn't.

Anyone who thought he was a PR would propose it. Damo is also a good player, so killing him early isn't a bad move.

If I was on your mafia team and thought he was a PR, I'd have argued with you.

[worcej]

Sidenote, how egotistical is it to think it's strange that you are still alive in the endgame because you think you are such a good player?

I actually respect the abilities of many players (though this game, frankly, most players seem absolutely devoid of any ability whatsoever), but I'm never going to let my perception of another player's ability influence my NK choice (when I am Mafia,which I am not this game). It gets a bit boring when Mafia targets the same few players over and over for the NK.

Good thing you died D1 last game lol...

[worcej]

It very predictably went poorly for him. I think mafia are usually hesitant to talk about the PR reads that motivated their nightkills.

Ah, but the most scummy thing about me is that I claim I can make honest alignment reads as Mafia.

There really is no way to get around it, so you might as well vote me for that reason alone.

I also don't remember scum sweet being this indignant on the block.

Agreed - I am getting town vibes from him right now.

[Jamiet99uk]

I just remembered this request from Worcej:

Someone needs to take a Chaqa face and impose it on Eminem’s performance body.

Get this done - for the good of the community

Here you go boys:

Perfect lol

You're welcome.

[Jamiet99uk]

I checked the bot and saw a large sweet wagon. Assumed it’s for something.

Had you seen the EoN investigator reveal at that point?

[ghug]

Regarding worcej, this feels like picking at easy low-flying fruit. Rivaling me for few D1 posts, there's the start of the joke-vote-oblige. Votes Jamie, votes Rivera. Says Kak screams town to him, but then subsequently votes him for...I am not sure why when reading the post worcej quotes. What specifically pinged you in that post that encouraged you to vote for Kak? Somewhat paused about Monarch, I infer they town jamie (not sure by how much), and a statement from bozo as "off."

Voted for Kak with 6 hours to go, then made no comment over the last 4 hours of the day.

Is this normal town worcej or is there something off? By and large this is the worcej we see in a lot of games, especially when working/travelling. I don't think it's a compelling D1.

@worcej, do you feel we've moved on enough out of the mech talk to diminish your disinterest?

No - quite frankly I have little energy for the game after all the mechs. But I am reading the game and checking in, so I am not going to sub out just because I am feeling meh about the game.

And before someone suggests it: this is NAI. Go ahead and try to spin it if you want, but you’re a fool for trying either way.

I was going to townread you for it but I guess I won't.

[bozotheclown]

I am not sure who I want to vote for. Currently I would like to see Hamilton/
sweetandcool/Monarch resolved with the DK and scan, but I am not sure what order.

[TheMadMonarch]

I've been trying to reconcile: Monarch and Bozo's work on a system to aid the investigator (they did come up with systems... and those systems could have hurt scum's chances by aiding the investigator) with the things that seem scummy about them (Monarch not carefully reading... bozo has less scummy things, but does not do much bozo things. He grilled/drilled one person, but usually we see more of that iirc.)

Why would scum... either one OR two... come up with systems? IF they were scum, they might do it because:
a) this room rarely follows through on such things. So it is safe.
b) there is a flaw in it (like the non-self voting thing) that might be a chink in the armor (ie... if we had not discovered the self vote issue, might that have made a difference later? On the other hand, how would it NOT have been discoovered...)
c) if the room DK's scum... and bozo and/or monarch survive because they seem 'clear', they can end up winning. "Sacrificing" the scum that got caught in the net, but riding through on their own wave.

It seems unlikely, but possible. BOTH are clever enough to do this. EVEN coming up with the system pre-game, and implementing it as scum or town.

Thank you, I am smart .

I saw it as soon as the explanation of the mechanic was released, when I was told we couldn't vote for ourselves, I went back to adjust and double check my math. If I rolled scum I would like to say that I had the self control to not share.

In my mind, giving town a true detective would have been bad for me as mafia, so I wouldn't have shared. But also, I was really proud of the fact I spotted, so maybe I would've shared for clout. I guess we'll never really know .

[Hamilton Brian]

Go ahead and try to spin it if you want, but you’re a fool for trying either way.

Hey man, that's pretty harsh. I take my fool-ishness pretty seriously.

I never implied you subbing out; why would you assume I was suggesting it? I was just wondering if there was more happening now that piqued your interest. I kind of feel like you're more involved, but I am not sure it's actually investigating.

[Hamilton Brian]

Regarding worcej, this feels like picking at easy low-flying fruit. Rivaling me for few D1 posts, there's the start of the joke-vote-oblige. Votes Jamie, votes Rivera. Says Kak screams town to him, but then subsequently votes him for...I am not sure why when reading the post worcej quotes. What specifically pinged you in that post that encouraged you to vote for Kak? Somewhat paused about Monarch, I infer they town jamie (not sure by how much), and a statement from bozo as "off."

Voted for Kak with 6 hours to go, then made no comment over the last 4 hours of the day.

Is this normal town worcej or is there something off? By and large this is the worcej we see in a lot of games, especially when working/travelling. I don't think it's a compelling D1.

@worcej, do you feel we've moved on enough out of the mech talk to diminish your disinterest?

I missed a question - the bold one specifically.

Kak indicated I had done enough and had wanted more from others. It pinged me because I had literally done *nothing* up until that point and it indicated a fake opinion, which scum have to do.

Yeah, I have this bad habit of including new text or changing the fonts in quotes. Let's discount your self-perception of having done nothing. What do you think Kak saw in you that suggested to them that you were doing "enough?"

Obviously this wasn't mafia Kak protecting a teammate, so why would they push a fake opinion on you?

[Hamilton Brian]

OK I got a thorough explanation of how this works from Bunny.

I'll assume whatever Bozo is saying is the truth mechanics-wise, but also that probably means he's scum.

Just wanting to get back on the record that Chaqa, at this early point in the game, considered bozo scum. Was this a joke post? Where else have the two differed or aligned during this game?

[Hamilton Brian]

I suspect Jamie because H̷̞̙̑̌̑̽̇̄͐̿̋̋̊̈́͝͝d̶̛̛̼̯͕̗̮̹̯̜̥̜͊̑͛͒̈̀̽͛̚h̸̨͕̹̝̳͎͖̪̠̩̥͔̜̮̍̂͆͂̓̚ͅm̸̧̛͎͙̭͍͋͆͛̃̂͆̐̿̅́̅̕͜e̷̱͕͇̜͔̤͕̟̻̥̠̰̳͂͘͜į̶̛̙̻͍̟̳̺̫̘͌̆́̑͛ḻ̷̛̛̰̯̭̯̳̘͉͔̈́͐̎̈́̍́̐̀̌͝a̸͎͔̟̩̥͇̭͍̳̙͕̙͂̾̀̀̐̊̂̐̚͜͠͠ͅl̸̨̪̼͔̮͕̼̥̥̳̖̣̩̼̅̋̀̾̿͛̀͗́͘͠r̴̟̬̳̾̑̿͊̀̆̋͒̃̚b̸̨͉͔̣͚̱͕͖̮̿͋̉̆d̸̜̏͛͛̒̇͂̒̊͗͊̕͝͝i̴̡̢̺͈̟̬̰̙͌̓̽͌̐̇̾͒͑͆̔̚͘̕͝ḯ̵̧̘̰̉͋̿̌͑̿̾̓̂͑̒͗̿͝a̵̡̮͇̙̝̼̜͓͊̆͂̆̒̉̒̍̕͘̚̚̕n̵̟̄̔̏͗͌͑̈̈́̒͝j̴̧̛̠̠̖͕̭̭̣̮̼̳̖̙̖͗͆̀́̐̏͋͗̈́̕͜͝e̵̢̤͇͓̟̜̖͕̘̟̮̪͗̂͆̈́́̓̄͗̇̿̌͋̎͜ͅǐ̴̢͍̼̩̤͇̲̭̙͊̀͛͋̇̆͑̈́̈́͠ȩ̵̧͖͖̥̰̫̙̼̀͝k̵͈̻͎̯̺͕̗̩̙͖̟̲̗̈́ͅd̵̛̘͋̎̀̔̊͋͌̒m̶̢̛̗̗͓̙̏̓̾̃̀͂͒̏̋͒̏́̋̀ḏ̷̦̣̯̜̉̿̈́ͅm̶̪͇͇͍̈́͗͑ȩ̵̢̮͔̣͓͓͎͉͚̺̣̖̝͐̅̌͂̎͂̈́̓̓̌̄̍̂̚͘ ̴̧͔̖̹̖̞̬̞̥̰̭̐̊̐̅̌̐͌͛k̵̢̧͙̲̮͍͈̝̦̞̻̠͌̕͝d̶̰̗͙͉̹̥̦͋́̾̍̔̒̒̕͘ͅk̵̮̠̞̤̗̹͊̃̐͊͒͋̓́͘̕ḑ̶̛̬̖̯͎̫̗̪̙̎̑͌́̒̈́̅̇̈́̔̋̋̋͘m̶̛̲̘̽̍̋̍͆̆͆͊̂͊͘d̸̡͍̯̬̳͈͙̻̫̿͆͂̄̃̀̈̅̈́̉͘͝͝͝m̷̧̡̝̲̘͚̜̫̱̺͕̙̖͕̱͋͗͊̎̄̂͑̌s̵͔̻̬̜͓̈́̿̒͊̋͐͝͝k̶̨̢̧͎͉̩̣̬̙̗̙̲̺͍͉̉̓̃̎́́͋̀͂̓͂̀͋͂͘j̶͍͖̇͒͑̅̋̈́͆̐͘̚͝ḋ̶̳͉̦͇̫̺̗̪̠͖͓̻͊̓͛̑́͐͐̐́̐̉͜ͅͅn̴͎͛̊͋̌̽̔̊̒͌͋̂̚͘͝d̸̻̦̺̞̝̽̑̾͗̍̉̀͋̑̔̓͑̔̈́s̵̥͉̳̥̞̖̤̘͈͇͕͕̫̳͗̋̈́̊̓̈́̀́͛̍̉̕̕͠ͅn̴̢̨̜̙̰̙̺̘̭̘̈̊̀̋̐̉̀̆͒̄͌͆͊͘ ̷̼̫̟̟̽̇̽̔̈́͊̓͠

Is there something going on here in this post? I can't figure out what's going on with the funky font/direction.

So it was either a joke sus of jamie or there's more to it? Chaqa, what's your gut on Jamie on D2?

[Hamilton Brian]

Jamie's behavior today doesn't really seem like scum!Jamie. I feel like this is the same thing that always happens with him. I'm not sure how I view sweet or B3K voting Jamie here, but I think ghug going after Jamie is extremely cliche.

##Vote damo

Come out and play

Great, after being sus of Jamie in the preceding post, comes out and declares that it's probably not scum jamie. That seems to align with a few of us looking at jamie's reactions and connecting it to previous games.

And then you vote Damo. You didn't end there, as we know, as you went to Kak. What was up with Damo that you felt they were an appropriate vote?

[Hamilton Brian]

My assessment of Chaqa based on D1 was that of kind of floating but I find an alignment with them; didn't care for the argument on Darg, never really explains the Kak vote.

I find Chaqa kind of floaty through D1. Why did you vote Kak when you identified other alternatives?

[worcej]

I checked the bot and saw a large sweet wagon. Assumed it’s for something.

Had you seen the EoN investigator reveal at that point?

No.

[worcej]

Regarding worcej, this feels like picking at easy low-flying fruit. Rivaling me for few D1 posts, there's the start of the joke-vote-oblige. Votes Jamie, votes Rivera. Says Kak screams town to him, but then subsequently votes him for...I am not sure why when reading the post worcej quotes. What specifically pinged you in that post that encouraged you to vote for Kak? Somewhat paused about Monarch, I infer they town jamie (not sure by how much), and a statement from bozo as "off."

Voted for Kak with 6 hours to go, then made no comment over the last 4 hours of the day.

Is this normal town worcej or is there something off? By and large this is the worcej we see in a lot of games, especially when working/travelling. I don't think it's a compelling D1.

@worcej, do you feel we've moved on enough out of the mech talk to diminish your disinterest?

No - quite frankly I have little energy for the game after all the mechs. But I am reading the game and checking in, so I am not going to sub out just because I am feeling meh about the game.

And before someone suggests it: this is NAI. Go ahead and try to spin it if you want, but you’re a fool for trying either way.

I was going to townread you for it but I guess I won't.

Good - you shouldn’t and you know it

[worcej]

Go ahead and try to spin it if you want, but you’re a fool for trying either way.

Hey man, that's pretty harsh. I take my fool-ishness pretty seriously.

I never implied you subbing out; why would you assume I was suggesting it? I was just wondering if there was more happening now that piqued your interest. I kind of feel like you're more involved, but I am not sure it's actually investigating.

You’re taking that statement personally - I am more anticipating someone saying “worcej is different and feels weird” when that’s a weak push. I was scum last game and heavily town read until it got to near the end.

Specifically to you and Jamie: Being “off” is non-descriptive and using that type of questioning/investigating is weak. Do you think I am being scummy or not? Do you think I would play like this as scum or not?

[worcej]

Regarding worcej, this feels like picking at easy low-flying fruit. Rivaling me for few D1 posts, there's the start of the joke-vote-oblige. Votes Jamie, votes Rivera. Says Kak screams town to him, but then subsequently votes him for...I am not sure why when reading the post worcej quotes. What specifically pinged you in that post that encouraged you to vote for Kak? Somewhat paused about Monarch, I infer they town jamie (not sure by how much), and a statement from bozo as "off."

Voted for Kak with 6 hours to go, then made no comment over the last 4 hours of the day.

Is this normal town worcej or is there something off? By and large this is the worcej we see in a lot of games, especially when working/travelling. I don't think it's a compelling D1.

@worcej, do you feel we've moved on enough out of the mech talk to diminish your disinterest?

I missed a question - the bold one specifically.

Kak indicated I had done enough and had wanted more from others. It pinged me because I had literally done *nothing* up until that point and it indicated a fake opinion, which scum have to do.

Yeah, I have this bad habit of including new text or changing the fonts in quotes. Let's discount your self-perception of having done nothing. What do you think Kak saw in you that suggested to them that you were doing "enough?"

Obviously this wasn't mafia Kak protecting a teammate, so why would they push a fake opinion on you?

He saw me posting I guess? Clearly wasn’t really reading them.

Apparently it wasn’t a fake opinion since he was town.

[worcej]

FWIW, I have opinions on a few players but my concern is they are the PR and not actually scum…