M1027: Community - Game Thread

[Jamiet99uk]

Yes, Damo.

@Damo why did you cause a tie?

The top 2 were both off the top two. There was no way it would remain a tie. I would argue my vote made a tie less likely.

It’s always the timing that bothers me - you do it last second and it causes chaos

He did it with around 3 minutes to go.

[worcej]

Exactly Jamie.

This is what I meant by suboptimal. People have been helping scum throughout. We have spent a lot of energy on constructing a good method of investigative use and we'll be lucky to get two scans in.

If mafia don't win this I'll be surprised.

And you just acted suboptimally by drawing explicit attention to Bozo's post by quoting it, rather than posting a reminder without quoting anyone else, which was what I tried to do.

Anyway no biggie, I think you and I are on the same page, Damo mate.

There is a potential bonus in that the Investigator potentially gives us 2x scan results per night (in due course) so we may get four scans in two nights, if we are lucky.

I doubt scum are that blind but point taken.

Scum teams are never blind to this and we all know it. I do find it funny when people chastise others as if scum are stupid and aren’t actively going through the game reading between the lines.

[worcej]

The top 2 were both off the top two. There was no way it would remain a tie. I would argue my vote made a tie less likely.

It’s always the timing that bothers me - you do it last second and it causes chaos

He did it with around 3 minutes to go.

Considering the phase has 2880 minutes in it, my statement stands.

[bozotheclown]

@Kak, I liked the analysis of bozo's plan.

I can't help think this whole push against jamie was totally a tempest in a teapot. I'd be convinced it was mafia-motivated had the votes remained. Seeing them move off could suggest a couple of things.

Jamie's wagon only reached 3 votes and he still had 2 votes when you made this post. What were the possible implications of ghug changing his vote?

[Hamilton Brian]

Those are 3 shitty wagons

WTF led to the goldrush that was the Kak wagon?

RIP Kak!

I think that there's a lot to forgive on the result considering it was D1 but there's the smell of shit in that last 4 minutes.

The first post implies you think the top 3 wagons in the last 5 minutes were town,
I feel like they were, if the wagons were me, kak, and darg. The only mystery now is darg's alignment but I am still pretty confident they're town.

but the second post seems to imply you think the mafia were manipulating the vote in the last 4 minutes. Why do you think they would do that with 3 town wagons?

Maybe? I feel like my sentiment then was there was some crazy movement to Kak and I am not certain I would write that assuming mafia would manipulate the vote. And that's a fair point...why would mafia do that if there were 3 town wagons? I guess they wouldn't? I am really not sure.

[Hamilton Brian]

@Kak, I liked the analysis of bozo's plan.

I can't help think this whole push against jamie was totally a tempest in a teapot. I'd be convinced it was mafia-motivated had the votes remained. Seeing them move off could suggest a couple of things.

Jamie's wagon only reached 3 votes and he still had 2 votes when you made this post. What were the possible implications of ghug changing his vote?

Given when it happened? Maybe nothing. I think I mentioned something to the effect of getting off of it to lower the pressure and send the conversation elsewhere.

[sweetandcool]

Will is weird, but I think town. Kak is looking weird too, maybe town?

Maybe I go back to Ham?

##VOTE darg

Still thinking.

That's right, I forget why, but I concluded Ham is clean.

I don't like these wagons though. Darg is my weakest read. So I stay put.

Why did you base your vote on a read of HB that you could not remember?

I forget things frequently, probably because I never make notes.

I was considering moving my vote from Darg to Ham, but then I recalled that for some reason I had concluded Ham was likely town.

I recall now that that reason was Ham's reaction to my push on him.

[sweetandcool]

We are still one hour away from EOD, so we will probably see some move closer to EOD. Also, how many times do you really saw scum trying to divert votes away from a partner? I am pretty sure I saw much more times scum to just buss his teamates on D1 then trying to save them.

I actually kind of want to flip Will or Kak. I think they are paired if one of them is Mafia.

I prefer Will because they are much harder for me to read.

Can you explain your history of correctly reading Kakarroto or incorrectly reading Just?

I constantly scumread Will, but they've only been Mafia once.

I think I've pegged Kak correctly more often than not?

[bozotheclown]

Please everyone beware the last minute Kak move. We don't really want a tie.

This is way too evenly balanced.

Will is the worst wagon.

Any of the other 3 ok

##vote Kak

Why did you choose Kakarroto over HB if you were OK with either and were concerned about a tie?

[damo666]

Yes, Damo.

@Damo why did you cause a tie?

The top 2 were both off the top two. There was no way it would remain a tie. I would argue my vote made a tie less likely.

It’s always the timing that bothers me - you do it last second and it causes chaos

or potentially useful vca

[sweetandcool]

We are still one hour away from EOD, so we will probably see some move closer to EOD. Also, how many times do you really saw scum trying to divert votes away from a partner? I am pretty sure I saw much more times scum to just buss his teamates on D1 then trying to save them.

I actually kind of want to flip Will or Kak. I think they are paired if one of them is Mafia.

I prefer Will because they are much harder for me to read.

They playing good or they town. Not Kak or ham please.

What changed your mind on Kakarroto in these 48 minutes?

Kak and Ham both indicated they didn't mind being the DK, in a way that particularly seemed townie. They both had time to defend, which is what I'd expect D1.

[damo666]

I actually kind of want to flip Will or Kak. I think they are paired if one of them is Mafia.

I prefer Will because they are much harder for me to read.

They playing good or they town. Not Kak or ham please.

What changed your mind on Kakarroto in these 48 minutes?

Kak and Ham both indicated they didn't mind being the DK, in a way that particularly seemed townie. They both had time to defend, which is what I'd expect D1.

unhelpful to Town

[bozotheclown]

I actually kind of want to flip Will or Kak. I think they are paired if one of them is Mafia.

I prefer Will because they are much harder for me to read.

Can you explain your history of correctly reading Kakarroto or incorrectly reading Just?

I constantly scumread Will, but they've only been Mafia once.

I think I've pegged Kak correctly more often than not?

Just has only played 2 games previously, and you were mafia in both, so I don't think you have had the opportunity to constantly scum reading him. Last game when I pointed out something like this you said you read players even when you are mafia, but it turned out you were mafia, so it looks like that was a fabricated explanation.

How many games have you played with Kakarroto?

[sweetandcool]

Can you explain your history of correctly reading Kakarroto or incorrectly reading Just?

I constantly scumread Will, but they've only been Mafia once.

I think I've pegged Kak correctly more often than not?

Just has only played 2 games previously, and you were mafia in both, so I don't think you have had the opportunity to constantly scum reading him. Last game when I pointed out something like this you said you read players even when you are mafia, but it turned out you were mafia, so it looks like that was a fabricated explanation.

How many games have you played with Kakarroto?

Probably 4, idk.

That explanation was true. I don't care what you think, I am perfectly capable of scum reading players as any alignment.

Like last game I scumread Will and consequently voted him. If I didn't scumread him, I wouldn't have voted him. It's that simple.

[damo666]

Survey:

What please would be your immediate reaction to the following reveals

a) X has been found by the community to be VANILLA TOWN

b) X has been found by the community to be MAFIA GOON

You may assume X is not you, darg or the NK.

Please give three answers for each of a and b;

i) if you townlean X
ii) if you scumlean X
iii) X is null to you

[bozotheclown]

I actually kind of want to flip Will or Kak. I think they are paired if one of them is Mafia.

I prefer Will because they are much harder for me to read.

They playing good or they town. Not Kak or ham please.

What changed your mind on Kakarroto in these 48 minutes?

Kak and Ham both indicated they didn't mind being the DK, in a way that particularly seemed townie. They both had time to defend, which is what I'd expect D1.

What specifically made you feel this way about HB? He did not make any posts between 57 minutes and 3 minutes, and he only had 1 vote at 57 minutes.

[sweetandcool]

What changed your mind on Kakarroto in these 48 minutes?

Kak and Ham both indicated they didn't mind being the DK, in a way that particularly seemed townie. They both had time to defend, which is what I'd expect D1.

What specifically made you feel this way about HB? He did not make any posts between 57 minutes and 3 minutes, and he only had 1 vote at 57 minutes.

Lol, okay let me look at the bot and dig up the quote that caused this. I'm pretty sure there was something near end of day, but otherwise it was because of his reaction to my push.

[Jamiet99uk]

It’s always the timing that bothers me - you do it last second and it causes chaos

He did it with around 3 minutes to go.

Considering the phase has 2880 minutes in it, my statement stands.

So, you think nobody should change their vote in the final 20 minutes, or something?

Where did you acquire this unusual opinion on how to play this game?

[bozotheclown]

I constantly scumread Will, but they've only been Mafia once.

I think I've pegged Kak correctly more often than not?

Just has only played 2 games previously, and you were mafia in both, so I don't think you have had the opportunity to constantly scum reading him. Last game when I pointed out something like this you said you read players even when you are mafia, but it turned out you were mafia, so it looks like that was a fabricated explanation.

How many games have you played with Kakarroto?

Probably 4, idk.

That explanation was true. I don't care what you think, I am perfectly capable of scum reading players as any alignment.

Like last game I scumread Will and consequently voted him. If I didn't scumread him, I wouldn't have voted him. It's that simple.

That explanation does not make much sense to me, you were mafia with Just last game, and you only bussed him at EOD.

[ghug]

I don’t really see the case on Dargo

Can a Kak voter explain the wagon?

Rereading Will

Chaqa trying to be useful. Probably scum.

town!ghug can read me better than this

This was obviously a joke.