M1027: Community - Game Thread

[heartthrob24909]

Would it necessarily hurt if the first person to post at night just throws out a name? Since this wouldnt be the name for the investigation itself, just the name for calibrating results?

I endorse this approach.

Again, I think it’s too easily manipulated by mafia. I endorse doing +1s to vote.

Can you explain how mafia could manipulate this and what the consequences would be?

[heartthrob24909]

I endorse this approach.

Again, I think it’s too easily manipulated by mafia. I endorse doing +1s to vote.

On reflection I agree, and I have now chosen MadMonarch's proposal.

Asked Just but also want to ask you, how do you think mafia could manipulate this and what do you see as the consequences of that?

[Jamiet99uk]

Alphabetical? One who posted last in the day? First poster decides? I'm pretty content with it being arbitrary or with going with what someone else likes if there's a strong conviction.

It's your proposal, you tell us which.

Why?

Well, mostly, because we need a properly worked out system to avoid the Mafia causing confusion when we attempt to put said system into place.

[ghug]

It's your proposal, you tell us which.

Why?

Well, mostly, because we need a properly worked out system to avoid the Mafia causing confusion when we attempt to put said system into place.

Then I propose whoever posted last in the day, but again I don't feel strongly.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm fine with Monarch's plan. Did not realize only VT get to vote.

Yeah, Jamiet's behavior screams scum-Jamiet. It's so nice to be able to read him.

Maybe you could address my questions?

And here is another one:

Name a previous game in which you have successfully scumread me?

When you and Bunny were Mafia in the pirate themed game. Totally smoked you guys.

I don't think you've been scum in any other game?

So yeah, 100% rate of successfully reading you.

Fair example. In what way was my play similar?

AND MAYBE YOU COULD ADDRESS MY OTHER QUESTIONS!?

[Jamiet99uk]

Note:

I have been scum in LOTS of games.

But not this one.

[dargorygel]

It still feels like both plans diminish responsibility. "It is just math."

I would prefer to post to GMs my top choice, and announce it at EoN. Some recrd keeping would allow the investigator to warch, note. And figure things out to reveal when they have some scum to announce.

Risk investigator is NKed. But that's the game.

I WILL go along with everyone though according to the survey.

Sweet is seeming artificial.

Jamie is a bit narrow. Ignorance humor. That is often more scum jamie. But i think jamie's opening suggestion towny.

[Jamiet99uk]

What's "ignorance humour", Darg?

[dargorygel]

What's "ignorance humour", Darg?

Sorry I am driving... thanks for asking... i meant ignoring himor. I am referring to sweet's humor., that you see as a scum tell.

[Jamiet99uk]

What's "ignorance humour", Darg?

Sorry I am driving... thanks for asking... i meant ignoring himor. I am referring to sweet's humor., that you see as a scum tell.

That isn't what I see as scummy.

Read my posts again.

[BK3K]

Hate to rain on Monarch's parade, but if we use their method then there is one small problem:

Town votes for 1-4 Mafia, 7-10 town.

The 4 Mafia could all vote Mafia, making the final vote 5-8 Mafia and 7-11 town.

Consequently, it is possible that Mafia could guarantee an accurate result, which we would mistakenly believe to be inaccurate.

So while Monarch's plan is likely to work, it has a vulnerability that can possibly be exploited. And only Mafia would know whether it could be.

Only in the event that all four Mafia are consecutive on the sign up list, right? I still think Bozo's plan is better

[BK3K]

Hate to rain on Monarch's parade, but if we use their method then there is one small problem:

Town votes for 1-4 Mafia, 7-10 town.

The 4 Mafia could all vote Mafia, making the final vote 5-8 Mafia and 7-11 town.

Consequently, it is possible that Mafia could guarantee an accurate result, which we would mistakenly believe to be inaccurate.

So while Monarch's plan is likely to work, it has a vulnerability that can possibly be exploited. And only Mafia would know whether it could be.

Only VTs make a selection.

Cool

[BK3K]

And you were endangering the Investigator.

Which is more scummy?

I think your current behavior is more scummy. Aggressively scum reading all challengers is cringe.

You do not deny that you endangered the investigator.

That is interesting.

I'm confused by this back and forth. Good thing Jamie doesn't have a gun this game like last time I played

[BK3K]

People who want to follow ghug's plan of everyone choosing the second place votegetter D1, allowing a check between that person and the investigator's target of whether their alignments match:
ghug
Heartthrob

Me too

[BK3K]

I am not sure what information you are referring to, but we don't need the investigator mechanism to know who the VTs think are mafia, we can take a survey for that. The investigation result becomes much more useful if it is connected to one other player.

As for who the VTs should select, I think the second highest voted player is fine.

you didn't think of mafia trying to screw the system? It would be quite the information what mafia thinks (or at least portrays to think) who they think are mafia.

It's kinda like a second vote, a double VCA, if you want, which can be very helpful in the later stages

This is what I think. A system too easily manipulated by the mafia.

It would be a risky play for Mafia to manipulate the second highest vote, no?

[BK3K]

I endorse this approach.

Again, I think it’s too easily manipulated by mafia. I endorse doing +1s to vote.

Can you explain how mafia could manipulate this and what the consequences would be?

Same

[Chaqa]

I think the mechanics stuff at least helped shorten the joke phase. Feels like once we've hashed things out we can move on to suspects.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think the mechanics stuff at least helped shorten the joke phase. Feels like once we've hashed things out we can move on to suspects.

Und who do you suspect, Herr Chaqa?

[ghug]

People who want to follow TheMadMonarch's plan where everyone chooses the person after them on the player list for investigation, guaranteeing we don't cross the 50% threshold:
Macca
Jamie
[your name here]

People who want to follow ghug's plan of everyone choosing the second place votegetter D1, allowing a check between that person and the investigator's target of whether their alignments match:
ghug
heartthrob
BK3K
[your name here]

People who want to follow darg's plan of everyone picking their own suspect and then announcing it end of night:
darg
Kak?
[your name here]

People who want to follow [your plan here]:


I'm a bit suspicious of darg because we reviewed this setup but it seems on brand for Kak.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm a bit suspicious of darg because we reviewed this setup but it seems on brand for Kak.

Since you are using this meta-knowledge of Darg:

During the approval process, did either of you question / ask for clarity on any particular parts of the setup? Was there much debate or did you just rubber-stamp it?