MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[ghug]

Having now read, I see a scum team bussing the shit out of each other.

@anyone

HOW HAS THIS POST AGED?!

shit...this is hard to not tunnel on.

What is it that you're seizing on here, exactly?

[ghug]

One thing I've learned is that you shouldn't coach your scumbuddies in the thread

People who know him: would town!ghug catch moment, and then say this? I can def see it thru the lens of being an inside joke among scumbuddies... Just +1'd ghug's comment, also, if that means anything

*catch this moment

I caught sweet pretty quickly on tone in his other scum game too.

[BunnyGo]

My current paranoia is that damo's vote for worcej over heart seems out of line with his previous statements. Agreement to bus?

Worcej Oreo moment was the clincher. He expressed wonder at being alive. I find this most disingenuous.

Snowy Bozo and Macca were all obvious NKs. Jamie wasn't but given his role maybe they saw a hint. It makes no sense for town worcej to think he would be a NK.

Wrt to the rdr kill this puts shade on ghug imo but perhaps that's want I'm supposed to think

@ghug snowy wasn't playing

[BunnyGo]

@anyone

HOW HAS THIS POST AGED?!

shit...this is hard to not tunnel on.

What is it that you're seizing on here, exactly?

How did you know there was a ton of bussing? If heart/damo is the team, there's only some bussing between sweet and just

[BunnyGo]

I think Bona is probably scum but in the absence of a cc (don't, I'm sure you won't) I don't think he's worth DKing until D5 jic.

If Bona is scum then unless all 4 were bussing at EOD1 there is a scum in {heart, Tem, Chaqa, Macca} but I have already indicated Macca is quasi-locktwon so I advocate

heart
Tem
Chaqa

as the next 3 DKs (unless Bona survives to D5).

@ghug how has this post aged?

Fine? He was wrong about Tem and Chaqa, but so were many others.

damo not voting heart?

[ghug]

My current paranoia is that damo's vote for worcej over heart seems out of line with his previous statements. Agreement to bus?

Worcej Oreo moment was the clincher. He expressed wonder at being alive. I find this most disingenuous.

Snowy Bozo and Macca were all obvious NKs. Jamie wasn't but given his role maybe they saw a hint. It makes no sense for town worcej to think he would be a NK.

Wrt to the rdr kill this puts shade on ghug imo but perhaps that's want I'm supposed to think

@ghug snowy wasn't playing

It is a little odd, but when I find those things problematic is when someone forgets someone else is dead. This is just confusing the S name of someone who's been dead for almost all of the game at this point.

[BunnyGo]

Having now read, I see a scum team bussing the shit out of each other.

@anyone

HOW HAS THIS POST AGED?!

I was operating under the assumption that Bona was scum.

ah...that's...not a bad excuse

[ghug]

shit...this is hard to not tunnel on.

What is it that you're seizing on here, exactly?

How did you know there was a ton of bussing? If heart/damo is the team, there's only some bussing between sweet and just

Again, I thought Bona was scum. If you think Bona is scum, every vote count you listed has two to three bussers before even considering who the fourth is.

[BunnyGo]

This feels like a bit much this early in the game.

Sweet's post strikes me as a D3 type post when you have information to justify it more than just someone being a dick...

My vote is less joke and more legit as I've read.

Ok I feel dirty but ##VOTE sweet

not sure how to take this thread

[ghug]

@ghug how has this post aged?

Fine? He was wrong about Tem and Chaqa, but so were many others.

damo not voting heart?

This is what I was concerned about last night, but I think he adequately explained it as thinking it's not heart/ghug specifically, which means worcej is his best vote.

[BunnyGo]

Seems weird you'd forget a scum partner. I find it significantly easier to remember players based off scum games I've had with them.

I don't think it's that weird I simply don't remember. Why would I say so otherwise?

You're pickiness smells of scumopportuism.

I am just perplexed you wouldn't remember someone from a scum game. Especially one less than 12 months ago - it was M1023.

I find myself more able to recall scum games than town games, even some of the games where I was a PR. Scum teams spend more time working together and analyzing each other's play.

So the D1 WIFOM here is did bozo catch you on something easily or do you really not remember someone being scum with you?

is this over-the-top scum worcej looking to sus someone?

[BunnyGo]

I don't think it's that weird I simply don't remember. Why would I say so otherwise?

You're pickiness smells of scumopportuism.

I am just perplexed you wouldn't remember someone from a scum game. Especially one less than 12 months ago - it was M1023.

I find myself more able to recall scum games than town games, even some of the games where I was a PR. Scum teams spend more time working together and analyzing each other's play.

So the D1 WIFOM here is did bozo catch you on something easily or do you really not remember someone being scum with you?

is this over-the-top scum worcej looking to sus someone?

if it is, why does he then bus sweet?

[BunnyGo]

So far I scumread worcej and ND. Why? Worcej and ND have been playing really weirdly comparatively to the last game. Especially ND. He completely dipped after we pointed out his unusual actions.

What's different about worcej to you?

would just have named 1 scum-1 town?

That was Bona's 1st principles...

[BunnyGo]

gah...why am I still alive and not rdr?

ok...time for sleep. Have fire.

[ghug]

I did not remember Heart-throb so I looked up the other game they played in.

It was M1023: Mafarmia (which I did not play in).

Heartthrob was Mafia, and Mafia won the game.

I notice in that game he had a D1 conversation with Worcej about the Seahawks playing badly and losing a game. How ironic. The more things stay the same, the more they stay the same.

I think it's just a reflection of my loyalty to a sports team has too much of an effect on my life.

Do you remember damo from your previous game?

Just in that he was my teammate. I think the only personality I really got a feel for in that game was bozo

Stop the presses - you had a feeling for bozo's personality?

What did you fell?!

Worcej's only heart mentions prior to day 3.

[ghug]

I don't mind being Vig fodder btw

Chaqa voters, what do we think of this? Why would he say this?

I don’t really think you can psycho analyze chaqa because he has done so much random shit over time that it’s impossible to just assume he will be reasonable.

I think we should make one a runaway wagon. There is a danger Tem amd heart are both scum and could manipulate a tie.

I don't really care which.

I'll make a meaningful vote - give me a bit to read each

God I don't really see anything super towny from either heart or Tem right now. I'd compared Tem to Macca earlier in the game and found both to be rather meh, but now Macca does look better with the vote from Will on D1 making her top wagon.

##vote Tem

^ that one is especially interesting to me because there's no real distinction made between heart and tem but the vote is cast for Tem

##VOTE heart

I like this a little more.

Why?

More indirect heart defense.

I feel like heart is just going to tie it up by voting Tem here...

But now let's shade heart just in case.


This just looking at the one iso shit is the sort of analysis I hate but I also did this with worcej/damo last night and didn't find shit, and this is a pretty bad-looking set of "interactions".

[ghug]

I don't think it's that weird I simply don't remember. Why would I say so otherwise?

You're pickiness smells of scumopportuism.

I am just perplexed you wouldn't remember someone from a scum game. Especially one less than 12 months ago - it was M1023.

I find myself more able to recall scum games than town games, even some of the games where I was a PR. Scum teams spend more time working together and analyzing each other's play.

So the D1 WIFOM here is did bozo catch you on something easily or do you really not remember someone being scum with you?

For what it's worth, him truthfully not remembering me wouldn't totally surprise me. We barely even talked in mafia chat that game... someone would essentially pick who to nightkill and the others would okay it. I think I was also absent for most of the round where they decided to eliminate me

Caught up.

My towncore*: worcej bozo Spirit

Will is interesting, but I think he's town.

Most likely scum: Temasek

Finding Jamie just a tad suspicious.

And maybe just recency bias but I wonder if ghug looking for possible sweet bussers is a cover for himself?

Preferred D2K Temasek but wouldn't mind seeing Macca flipped.

* I predict the NK will be in these 3 (or me).

Both rdr and Chaqa have done little enough to ensure they are not the NK (if town).

can u explain more about the suspicion on Temasek? is it bc they ended up on macca?

I am always on my phone, but I find the bot pretty useful for these things.

Yeah…but I want a story. With a clear progression of action and colors and heroes and villains.

Someone should tell me a story while I put my kids to bed.

@bozo? @heart? @bueller?

Color coding by heartthrob

Text adapted from Bona. Opinions expressed are not my own. RT =/= endorsement

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the first major wagon is NDtogether, with ghug, ND, and jamie. ghug is a hater, so nothing really to read into that. ND self-voted for unknown reasons, and jamie followed that up because apparently seriously self-voting early in d1 is like wacky. this wagon technically dissipates when ND subs out, but i feel like it's important to note that from my understanding of the thread, people were not big fans of ND. I don't think anyone scumread him per se at this point, but he's not one of the bubbly and friendly personalities that we know and love around here.

no kill gets 3 votes but it's irrelevant and just people babooning so idc. no one on this (temask, worcej, ND) meant to stay here, or was indeed actively subbing out.

i sub in, and immediately pick up 3 votes. only one of these is from the ND wagon, which suggests that, given the unseriousness of the wagon on ND, the votes were largely focused on myself. the votes are, in order, from sweet (who claims that his scumread of ND is the driving factor, despite never voting for him and only a mild setup), ghug (i believe an unserious vote), and macca (who claims to scumread ND on first read, but i'm now in that slot).

macca picked up two votes for her vote almost immediately from damo and from heartthrob for her justification of her vote on me. i believe at least heartthrob has changed his mind on this but at the time, this is what happened. macca drops her vote from me, supposedly in response to me appealing to famous former mafia player bob, but the timing on this looks like it's a response to vote pressure. she also changes her vote several times to unvote and then to no-kill. this sequence is important because it sets the ball rolling for macca's wagon, which temasak jumps on to make it major. jamie also expresses interest in the wagon at this point. macca never reappears after this until n1

chaqa votes for me initially as a #swingthesubs, but this read apparently later solidified. unclear when or why.

sweet and i argue for a while, because i disliked his explanation of voting for ND and not me, when it would seem that we're the same. some people disagreed with me on this but i am town and he was scum so i won.

temasek, worcej, and ghug all notice sweet's argument and take issue with different parts. temasek later votes macca (he is the only sweet voter to change votes), but ghug and worcej stay on until the end.

i briefly drop off from being a major wagon but return when will has this post, which is kind of crazy:
apparently not LOL. i do not understand this guy.

i think EoD really begins at T-0:45, when the vote is 3 macca/3 will/3 sweet/2 bona/5 votes either not placed or on minor wagons
macca voters: temasek, damo, heartthrob. these 3 either don't move, aren't active, or only flip when it's too late to change the outcome. zero momentum wagon.
will voters: bunny, rdr, sweet. primarily the anti-sweet counterwagon.
sweet voters: worcej, ghug, bona. all voting for sweet in response to sweet's voting justification footwork with me and ND. none of these votes move, despite being around relatively close to EoD.
bona voters: chaqa (inactive) and will (late to the party on voting me). this former lead wagon is in the final stages of disintegration.

by T-0:26, the vote is 4 macca/4 will/4 sweet/3 vanity wagons
macca voters: same plus will in desperate self-saving mode. this zombie wagon lumbers on
will voters: same plus ham. remains the 'not sweet' wagon.
sweet voters: same plus spirit. this is the only vote placed in between now and the previous interval that had a definite 'i scumread this person', which looks good for spirit. editors note: lol he died. this might be why.

bozo and jamie get off vanity wagons for sweet. bozo has only engaged with sweet once before in the whole day (admittedly not a high poster), and says his reason is not very strong. however he never moves his vote even as sweet becomes a giant wagon. jamie is also not a big sweet fan in his vote, and also, like bozo never really engages sweet throughout the day in any determinative manner

two macca voters also flip onto sweet but their votes weren't relevant (will and damo) so they don't count.

i think because sweet was trying to make it him vs will, will looks tentatively better. i'm not sure who else he could have chosen though - macca's wagon was effectively dead, as was mine. the only other wagon with momentum in the final minutes before eod was will, partially because will was doing his whole freakout routine. sweet was also trying to attack will directly for that, quoting a post where will plans out possibilities for sweet getting flipped and how he dies. i think on balance this makes will look somewhat worse, but in a meta planning way. i'm unfamiliar with how he plays so idrk.

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Stopping here bc I need to look at this with the colors so I can form some thoughts

I feel like heart is just going to tie it up by voting Tem here...

I'm not going to do that. I think that would be kind of dumb

Through day 3.

[ghug]

So one early not really solvey interaction and then worcej doing that day three stuff and heart responding to the shade.

I need to look at heart/damo for thoroughness but I feel pretty good about this just being the team right now.

[BunnyGo]

I am just perplexed you wouldn't remember someone from a scum game. Especially one less than 12 months ago - it was M1023.

I find myself more able to recall scum games than town games, even some of the games where I was a PR. Scum teams spend more time working together and analyzing each other's play.

So the D1 WIFOM here is did bozo catch you on something easily or do you really not remember someone being scum with you?

is this over-the-top scum worcej looking to sus someone?

if it is, why does he then bus sweet?

@ghug...I'd just quoted a worcej/heart on day1

[damo666]

So, day 1 there were either 3 or 4 bussers.

Apart from yesterday heart and worcej were never on same EOD wagon

Explain?

At least one of ghug worcej must be scum