MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[BunnyGo]

@ghug were you the one who said "there was a lot of bussing going on"?

[BunnyGo]

I think Bona is probably scum but in the absence of a cc (don't, I'm sure you won't) I don't think he's worth DKing until D5 jic.

If Bona is scum then unless all 4 were bussing at EOD1 there is a scum in {heart, Tem, Chaqa, Macca} but I have already indicated Macca is quasi-locktwon so I advocate

heart
Tem
Chaqa

as the next 3 DKs (unless Bona survives to D5).

@ghug how has this post aged?

[BunnyGo]

The way I see the game we have two options:

Bona is town. Then both know scum voted him at some point with Chaqa and this make Chaqa less likely to be scum. And we have probably one or even both scum stuck on Macca, which points to Damo, heart and Tem as most likely scum.

Bona is scum. There is a incredible amount of bussing. Can see Chaqa as the last scum in this scenario. Can also see Bona makong an effort to save Tem after a disastrous D1. But the other Macca voters are still likely and even Bozo or Ghug for a full Buss festival. And Bunny, who will also fit the extra hard bussing theory.

Anyway, I think voting between Tem, heart and Damo is the way to go today. Damo reactions today makes me feel he is the less likely of them to be scum.

I think we should listen to rdr...

[BunnyGo]

Oh! What if it's two of damo/heart/Tem?

That would make some sense for the EOD movement. Sweet and Just couldn't get on Macca, since they could see Macca would save by jumping on them, and they were worried it'd line up all the scum on one nearly 100% scum driven wagon.

It feels plausible, but again there was a lot of stacking and bussing.

@heart how has this post aged?

[BunnyGo]

The EOD1 finished with these wagons, but the story of how we got there is quite impressive:

sweetandcool (8) worcej ghug Bonatogether SpiritoftheRadio bozotheclown Jamiet99uk JustAGuyNamedWill damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) BunnyGo rdrivera2005 sweetandcool Hamilton Brian
Macca573 (2) heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bonatogether (1) Chaqa*
No‑Kill (1) Macca573

An hour before EOD there were different wagons:

Macca had been in the lead for a while

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (2) worcej ghug
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (2) Bona SpiritoftheRadio
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
Temasek (1) bozo

This had sat for 20 minutes since Jamie left worcej's vanity wagon to a no-kill.

Bona seems to have skipped me arguing with Just and Bona saying "Bongo those are not kind words" And not 2 posts later switches from voting me to voting sweet "for self-preservation".

Notice voting Macca would have been untying the lead, but Bona puts sweet into a 3-way tie with himself and Macca.

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

This occurs in a cross-post with sweet who switches to voting Just and then utters the odd words "Ach, bad timing, I just changed my vote."

THIS is a VERY VERY strange sequence. I think that with the right view of the game, this sequence makes sense: Why did nobody vote Macca "for self preservation"? Why did sweet say that? Why did sweet CHOOSE to vote Just?

It became:

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo rdrsweetandcool
Bona (2) Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

Part two: the reflexive bus coming soon.

Having now read, I see a scum team bussing the shit out of each other.

@anyone

HOW HAS THIS POST AGED?!

[BunnyGo]

Continuing the color update:

When last we left, Bona had left my wagon for self-preservation and sweet didn't join my wagon nor did either join Macca's.

Jamie pushes Hamilton.

Then Just makes a "self-preservation" vote of Macca. Bringing it to:

Macca573 (4) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22 JustAGuyNamedWill
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo rdrsweetandcool
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
Bona (1) Chaqa
No-Kill (1) Macca
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo
Hamilton Brian (1) Jamie

It seems like Just was the most likely to get cold feet bussing. It sat like this for 10 minutes, until with 30 minutes left Spirit left me for sweet. Even said "if sweet + will is a scum team it doesn't matter"

and 5 minutes later Hamilton jumps in to "tie the vote" by voting Just. At this point, the scum team has locked themselves into massively bussing.

Macca573 (4) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22 JustAGuyNamedWill
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) BunnyGo rdr sweetandcool Hamilton Brian
sweetandcool (4) worcej ghug Bona SpiritoftheRadio
Bona (1) Chaqa*
No-Kill (1) Macca
Temasek (1) bozo
Hamilton Brian (1) Jamie

It sits like this unchanged for 12 minutes. In retrospect, scum must have been sweating. Just was on Macca, Sweet was bussing Just. It was tied, and their teammates couldn't easily jump in to help.

Page 33 has fascinating reading. Here's a line from Just: I just realized Macca hasn’t voted. I most likely screwed myself

Page 34:
rdr: I can vote Macca to break the tie, but then Macca can tie again. Won't vote for Sweet today.

(Aside: I don't see scum rdr bussing this hard AND not bussing. And while he's subtly saying "let's break the tie by voting Macca" he's actually giving reasons NOT to vote Macca. I think scum!rdr is a cooler cucumber than that)

bozo then breaks the tie voting sweet.

(aside: I do this scum!bozo is capable of this play)

sweetandcool (5) worcej ghug Bona SpiritoftheRadio bozo
Macca573 (4) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22 JustAGuyNamedWill
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) BunnyGo rdr sweetandcool Hamilton Brian
Bona (1) Chaqa*
No-Kill (1) Macca
Hamilton Brian (1) Jamie

sweet then seals his fate by voting Just "for emphasis".

Thus ends the story of massive bussing. The denouement is less interesting.

But I think these crucial changes here only make sense when viewed from the right scum team.

[BunnyGo]

Macca573 (4) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22 JustAGuyNamedWill
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo rdrsweetandcool
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
Bona (1) Chaqa
No-Kill (1) Macca
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo
Hamilton Brian (1) Jamie

Just's self preservation vote here is interesting. If worcej AND ghug were his teammates, I think he's the sort of guy who would jump on and have the whole team bussing.

[BunnyGo]

The EOD1 finished with these wagons, but the story of how we got there is quite impressive:

sweetandcool (8) worcej ghug Bonatogether SpiritoftheRadio bozotheclown Jamiet99uk JustAGuyNamedWill damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) BunnyGo rdrivera2005 sweetandcool Hamilton Brian
Macca573 (2) heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bonatogether (1) Chaqa*
No‑Kill (1) Macca573

An hour before EOD there were different wagons:

Macca had been in the lead for a while

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (2) worcej ghug
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (2) Bona SpiritoftheRadio
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
Temasek (1) bozo

This had sat for 20 minutes since Jamie left worcej's vanity wagon to a no-kill.

Bona seems to have skipped me arguing with Just and Bona saying "Bongo those are not kind words" And not 2 posts later switches from voting me to voting sweet "for self-preservation".

Notice voting Macca would have been untying the lead, but Bona puts sweet into a 3-way tie with himself and Macca.

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

This occurs in a cross-post with sweet who switches to voting Just and then utters the odd words "Ach, bad timing, I just changed my vote."

THIS is a VERY VERY strange sequence. I think that with the right view of the game, this sequence makes sense: Why did nobody vote Macca "for self preservation"? Why did sweet say that? Why did sweet CHOOSE to vote Just?

It became:

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo rdrsweetandcool
Bona (2) Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

Part two: the reflexive bus coming soon.

Having now read, I see a scum team bussing the shit out of each other.

@anyone

HOW HAS THIS POST AGED?!

shit...this is hard to not tunnel on.

[BunnyGo]

The way I see the game we have two options:

Bona is town. Then both know scum voted him at some point with Chaqa and this make Chaqa less likely to be scum. And we have probably one or even both scum stuck on Macca, which points to Damo, heart and Tem as most likely scum.

Bona is scum. There is a incredible amount of bussing. Can see Chaqa as the last scum in this scenario. Can also see Bona makong an effort to save Tem after a disastrous D1. But the other Macca voters are still likely and even Bozo or Ghug for a full Buss festival. And Bunny, who will also fit the extra hard bussing theory.

Anyway, I think voting between Tem, heart and Damo is the way to go today. Damo reactions today makes me feel he is the less likely of them to be scum.

I think we should listen to rdr...

But also this...

[BunnyGo]

I think Bona is probably scum but in the absence of a cc (don't, I'm sure you won't) I don't think he's worth DKing until D5 jic.

If Bona is scum then unless all 4 were bussing at EOD1 there is a scum in {heart, Tem, Chaqa, Macca} but I have already indicated Macca is quasi-locktwon so I advocate

heart
Tem
Chaqa

as the next 3 DKs (unless Bona survives to D5).

@ghug how has this post aged?

and @damo, what do you think of your assumption "unless all scum were bussing" and ghug's statement "I see a team bussing the shit out of each other"?

[BunnyGo]

fuck!!

##vote ghug

[BunnyGo]

Hi heart...

tell me about your post again?

[heartthrob24909]

right now if i had to make a guess its worcej and ghug.

worcej, thank you for validating my recent playing. I agree with your analysis of me. However-- allow me to step into damo's shoes and crunch some numbers-- there's probably a 0% chance I'm the nightkill so the compliments are very conveniently timed if you don't want me to vote you out in the last round, assuming i make it there.

i cannot fault damo for thinking i'm sus; only for not engaging with anything i'm saying. but thats narrow-mindedness, not scumminess.

bunny is apparently the vig.

that leaves ghug.

will prob do a reread of these characters tomorrow (calendar day not phase)

what? wtf is this?

Bumping for heart.

This feels off. Can you explain this post?

Everyone has guesses at a scumpair and I didn't so I wanted to try.

A lot of people's reads on me are based on early game when I did not do a great job of pulling my weight. I'm trying to make up for that now by at the very least trying to let people know what I'm thinking.

At this point its sort of do or die anyway and at the very least I don't want to be taken out for a perceived lack of effort.

[heartthrob24909]

fuck!!

##vote ghug

Laughing that you'd censor suck and not fuck

[heartthrob24909]

Hi heart...

tell me about your post again?

Hi I'm back. Replied below

[BunnyGo]

fuck!!

##vote ghug

Laughing that you'd censor suck and not fuck

I mean...I left it uncensored for gh**

[BunnyGo]

Hi heart...

tell me about your post again?

Hi I'm back. Replied below

OK...how do we solve this

[BunnyGo]

Hi heart...

tell me about your post again?

Hi I'm back. Replied below

OK...how do we solve this

I'm looking back at D1, and thinking "if we knew the answer, all the votes would make sense." And then trying different combinations on.

[BunnyGo]

heart and damo voted together most of D1 and D2

[heartthrob24909]

Oh! What if it's two of damo/heart/Tem?

That would make some sense for the EOD movement. Sweet and Just couldn't get on Macca, since they could see Macca would save by jumping on them, and they were worried it'd line up all the scum on one nearly 100% scum driven wagon.

It feels plausible, but again there was a lot of stacking and bussing.

@heart how has this post aged?

I think the group collectively had the right idea about assuming different day 1 voting patterns among the scum but I don't think it's aged well. I recall Tem, Chaqa, and myself being brought up a lot starting with that conversation (and your post isn't the exact same list but holds to the same concept) and based on what I know that would be 0 for 3 on actual scum