MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[ghug]

If I were scum with w wouldn't I simply vote heart?

Because you're hoping we'd ask that question?

wifom^n

Sure. My core concern is that the vote felt incongruous and I want to know why.

[damo666]

Because you're hoping we'd ask that question?

wifom^n

Sure. My core concern is that the vote felt incongruous and I want to know why.

I don't know why you think it's incongrous. In the post you quoted I said 2 from Chaqa heart worcej and we now know Chaqa is town. You would rather me vote heart than worcej? Why?

You think I'm town so if you're town it's heart worcej, game over. If you've been pocketing me then I think it's you and worcej.

So worcej is my best bet.

[ghug]

wifom^n

Sure. My core concern is that the vote felt incongruous and I want to know why.

I don't know why you think it's incongrous. In the post you quoted I said 2 from Chaqa heart worcej and we now know Chaqa is town. You would rather me vote heart than worcej? Why?

You think I'm town so if you're town it's heart worcej, game over. If you've been pocketing me then I think it's you and worcej.

So worcej is my best bet.

Heart was higher.

Voting worcej because you specifically don't think I'm paired with heart makes sense, though.

[worcej]

##vote worcej

then Bunny dies

then ghug and I vote heart

then scumghug wins?

o well

Lack of reaction to this duly noted .

From whom? I think you’re clearly scum who just pulled out fake pairs to justify a vote on me now when it matters the most.

I also find your skepticism about me being surprised to be left alive at this point disingenuous considering how often I am ran up as town for bullshit reasons often or just assumed scum early. I haven’t behaved any differently than I normally do, other than not OMGUS’ed because it hasn’t come.

This game has been weird to me because other than sweet and will, the remaining scum have been rather obscured. The people I thought were scum were based on my opinion that scum wanted town to destroy themselves, so Macca and Chaqa fit the bill as “AFK/low activity”.

I am at damo/ghug as the final pair because of damo’s scumminess and my town opinion of heart. Ghug’s style atm would also fit of letting town just kill themselves and poking holes into the remaining town group to get the win. His push on heart is that exactly right now.

[BunnyGo]

My current paranoia is that damo's vote for worcej over heart seems out of line with his previous statements. Agreement to bus?

Worcej Oreo moment was the clincher. He expressed wonder at being alive. I find this most disingenuous.

Snowy Bozo and Macca were all obvious NKs. Jamie wasn't but given his role maybe they saw a hint. It makes no sense for town worcej to think he would be a NK.

Wrt to the rdr kill this puts shade on ghug imo but perhaps that's want I'm supposed to think

Does town!Damo make this mistake? Does scum!damo?

[BunnyGo]

You’re all voting for different people.

Amusingly the two town here are close to solving.

Sadly rdr was my strongest townread.

Probably ghug next.

Would consider the other three jamokes today.

Research is good search.

But will have to wait.

First sentence. You wouldn't expect the scumpair to vote together yet anyway.

Can you explain sentence 2 please.

You only need to find one more town

[BunnyGo]

##vote worcej

then Bunny dies

then ghug and I vote heart

then scumghug wins?

o well

Lack of reaction to this duly noted .

What were you expecting?

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny when doing your research can you list remaining players' vig guesses. TIA.

That’s a good question.

I don’t recall many explicit guesses. I do remember worcej calling me out with exactly the crumbs I was leaving.

I remember ghug noting that.

[BunnyGo]

This christmas on Hallmark

A man must decide between his dog or his old high school girlfriend. Will it be Karen or Kilo?


worcej (1) damo666
damo666 (1) worcej
ghug (1) heartthrob24909
heartthrob24909 (1) ghug

Non-votes
BunnyGo

31 hours remain

##vote no-kill

[BunnyGo]

So, day 1 there were either 3 or 4 bussers.

Apart from yesterday heart and worcej were never on same EOD wagon

Explain?

[ghug]

@Bunny when doing your research can you list remaining players' vig guesses. TIA.

That’s a good question.

I don’t recall many explicit guesses. I do remember worcej calling me out with exactly the crumbs I was leaving.

I remember ghug noting that.

I thought you were the vig too, for what it's worth, which is part of the reason I made a bigger show of getting mad at damo for speculating it was Macca.

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny when doing your research can you list remaining players' vig guesses. TIA.

That’s a good question.

I don’t recall many explicit guesses. I do remember worcej calling me out with exactly the crumbs I was leaving.

I remember ghug noting that.

I thought you were the vig too, for what it's worth, which is part of the reason I made a bigger show of getting mad at damo for speculating it was Macca.

Yes. That seemed clear.

I think you’re the one person I won’t vote for today.

If you’re scum, you’ve played brilliantly.

[ghug]

That’s a good question.

I don’t recall many explicit guesses. I do remember worcej calling me out with exactly the crumbs I was leaving.

I remember ghug noting that.

I thought you were the vig too, for what it's worth, which is part of the reason I made a bigger show of getting mad at damo for speculating it was Macca.

Yes. That seemed clear.

I think you’re the one person I won’t vote for today.

If you’re scum, you’ve played brilliantly.

Sadly I'm town.

Talk to me about damo. I felt like I had a scent last night with the worcej vote, but I dug around and couldn't find anything else, and I think I understand his logic again today, so I'm back to feeling good about my townread. If the three of us can get on the same page about worcej/heart, I think we just win.

[heartthrob24909]

##VOTE heart

Two OMGUS pairs.

worcej, how does your opinion of heart change now that he's not the vig? Still a townread?

heart, can you explain how you get from those assessments of the players to the conclusion that worcej and I are the team?

i kind of already did in my post. there are 4 people here that arent me. 1 is vig, which leaves 3. i identified 2 with reasons. what else specifically are you looking for

Your damo reason says you aren't going to scumread him for something in particular but doesn't give a reason to townread, and then you land on me by PoE. I'm trying to understand whether there's actually logic getting you from your reads to your conclusions, because I don't really think that there is.

This is more helpful, thanks.

While I find his tactics annoying, I think damo's reads on me feel fair and accurate and I find the fact that his scumlist STILL tends to just move down the line of the people who didnt bus sweet, sort of towny.

For better or for worse I haven't found you to be memorable in either direction (don't mean that as an insult). In my recent history in the game I come around to those types of characters a half-step too late.

I know it's not much but it's what I got

[heartthrob24909]

My current paranoia is that damo's vote for worcej over heart seems out of line with his previous statements. Agreement to bus?

That does feel weird

[heartthrob24909]

##vote worcej

then Bunny dies

then ghug and I vote heart

then scumghug wins?

o well

It's a little annoying how your read on me hasnt changed in the last 40,000 rounds but you havent really engaged with any of what I've been trying to contribute

If you read the above can you not see I am considering the possibility of a scumghug which indicates doubt about you?

You still voting me out in that scenario didn't make it that obvious

[BunnyGo]

I thought you were the vig too, for what it's worth, which is part of the reason I made a bigger show of getting mad at damo for speculating it was Macca.

Yes. That seemed clear.

I think you’re the one person I won’t vote for today.

If you’re scum, you’ve played brilliantly.

Sadly I'm town.

Talk to me about damo. I felt like I had a scent last night with the worcej vote, but I dug around and couldn't find anything else, and I think I understand his logic again today, so I'm back to feeling good about my townread. If the three of us can get on the same page about worcej/heart, I think we just win.

damo seemed bored when he was losing early (if he's scum).

He'd lost sweet, I'd shot Just.

And then he just...checked out a bit?

He's only picked up here at the end when he has a chance.

That DOES remind me of scum!damo. He doesn't enjoy putting effort in to lost causes and sort of checks out and coasts.

Talk to me about him getting the name wrong just now. Is that scum!damo who isn't paying attention? Or town!damo getting confused?

[BunnyGo]

right now if i had to make a guess its worcej and ghug.

worcej, thank you for validating my recent playing. I agree with your analysis of me. However-- allow me to step into damo's shoes and crunch some numbers-- there's probably a 0% chance I'm the nightkill so the compliments are very conveniently timed if you don't want me to vote you out in the last round, assuming i make it there.

i cannot fault damo for thinking i'm sus; only for not engaging with anything i'm saying. but thats narrow-mindedness, not scumminess.

bunny is apparently the vig.

that leaves ghug.

will prob do a reread of these characters tomorrow (calendar day not phase)

what? wtf is this?

Bumping for heart.

This feels off. Can you explain this post?

[BunnyGo]

Updating with new colors

The EOD1 finished with these wagons, but the story of how we got there is quite impressive:

sweetandcool (8) worcej ghug Bonatogether SpiritoftheRadio bozotheclown Jamiet99uk JustAGuyNamedWill damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) BunnyGo rdrivera2005 sweetandcool Hamilton Brian
Macca573 (2) heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bonatogether (1) Chaqa*
No‑Kill (1) Macca573

An hour before EOD there were different wagons:

Macca had been in the lead for a while

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (2) worcej ghug
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (2) Bona SpiritoftheRadio
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
Temasek (1) bozo

This had sat for 20 minutes since Jamie left worcej's vanity wagon to a no-kill.

Bona seems to have skipped me arguing with Just and Bona saying "Bongo those are not kind words" And not 2 posts later switches from voting me to voting sweet "for self-preservation".

Notice voting Macca would have been untying the lead, but Bona puts sweet into a 3-way tie with himself and Macca.

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
Bona (3) sweetandcool Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) BunnyGo rdr
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

This occurs in a cross-post with sweet who switches to voting Just and then utters the odd words "Ach, bad timing, I just changed my vote."

THIS is a VERY VERY strange sequence. I think that with the right view of the game, this sequence makes sense: Why did nobody vote Macca "for self preservation"? Why did sweet say that? Why did sweet CHOOSE to vote Just?

It became:

Macca573 (3) damo heartthrob24909 Temasek22
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo rdrsweetandcool
Bona (2) Chaqa JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (3) worcej ghug Bona
No-Kill (2) Macca Jamie
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Temasek (1) bozo

Part two: the reflexive bus coming soon.

[BunnyGo]

So...were ghug and/or worcej bussing sweet?

Were damo and/or heartthrob pushing a counterwagon that their teammates weren't on?