MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[BunnyGo]

thats a shame

I like heart less now…

Agreed

[BunnyGo]

Heart

Heart kinda screaming vt now though.

What about wabbit?

Bunny continues to look bad to me with how hard he’s pushing Bona to die

Not pushing Bona to die. Just don't believe him.

Very explicitly pushing to save figuring it out for later.

[ghug]

If Bona is not doc is now the time for real doc to reveal to prevent being vigshot?

No...

Doc SHOULD absolutely claim first thing tomorrow if they survive the night.

We don't want to get to KiLo with a CC then...tomorrow is claim time for real doc.

That means we're letting bona get a 1 for 1 trade off, which was the whole point of not killing him.

[ghug]

If Bona is not doc is now the time for real doc to reveal to prevent being vigshot?

No...

Doc SHOULD absolutely claim first thing tomorrow if they survive the night.

We don't want to get to KiLo with a CC then...tomorrow is claim time for real doc.

That means we're letting bona get a 1 for 1 trade off, which undoes the whole point of not killing him.

Edit for clarity.

[BunnyGo]

If Bona is not doc is now the time for real doc to reveal to prevent being vigshot?

No...

Doc SHOULD absolutely claim first thing tomorrow if they survive the night.

We don't want to get to KiLo with a CC then...tomorrow is claim time for real doc.

That means we're letting bona get a 1 for 1 trade off, which was the whole point of not killing him.

When *should* we resolve him? Just kill him tomorrow without a CC?

[BunnyGo]

No...

Doc SHOULD absolutely claim first thing tomorrow if they survive the night.

We don't want to get to KiLo with a CC then...tomorrow is claim time for real doc.

That means we're letting bona get a 1 for 1 trade off, which was the whole point of not killing him.

When *should* we resolve him? Just kill him tomorrow without a CC?

Don't get me wrong, I'd be willing to consider it.

[BunnyGo]

If Bona is not doc is now the time for real doc to reveal to prevent being vigshot?

No...

Doc SHOULD absolutely claim first thing tomorrow if they survive the night.

We don't want to get to KiLo with a CC then...tomorrow is claim time for real doc.

That means we're letting bona get a 1 for 1 trade off, which was the whole point of not killing him.

Do you think we just hammer him tomorrow? Because that sounds like what you're proposing.

[ghug]

No...

Doc SHOULD absolutely claim first thing tomorrow if they survive the night.

We don't want to get to KiLo with a CC then...tomorrow is claim time for real doc.

That means we're letting bona get a 1 for 1 trade off, which was the whole point of not killing him.

When *should* we resolve him? Just kill him tomorrow without a CC?

That remains my vote. We should have just killed him to begin with.

[ghug]

Like, normally I'm all for letting suspicious PR claims sit because it's often town fakeclaiming to draw kills or a real PR that just happened to look bad.

In this case, though, Jamie outed a scan on Bona that has no other explanation, and then Bona claimed the only town role scum could claim there in the hopes of taking the doc down with him. I don't see any other plausible way to interpret what happened. Jamie isn't going to leave a crumb like that if he doesn't have mechanical information. Letting Bona take the doc down with him is just bad play.

[heartthrob24909]

thats a shame

I like heart less now…

Agreed

Something I'm curious about, Bunny, is that from my point of view, if I'm town, this is my worst outing to date outside of the first game we played at work. Why haven't you tried to push me harder like you have other players (and like I'd imagine you'd do if we were at work)?

[BunnyGo]

I like heart less now…

Agreed

Something I'm curious about, Bunny, is that from my point of view, if I'm town, this is my worst outing to date outside of the first game we played at work. Why haven't you tried to push me harder like you have other players (and like I'd imagine you'd do if we were at work)?

I've watched you play scum better too.

You powerwolf in all the games I've seen at work.

And your other game here, you weren't timid. You just played up "I'm new..."

This feels more like scared town who doesn't know anyone enough to have a model yet.

[BunnyGo]

Like, normally I'm all for letting suspicious PR claims sit because it's often town fakeclaiming to draw kills or a real PR that just happened to look bad.

In this case, though, Jamie outed a scan on Bona that has no other explanation, and then Bona claimed the only town role scum could claim there in the hopes of taking the doc down with him. I don't see any other plausible way to interpret what happened. Jamie isn't going to leave a crumb like that if he doesn't have mechanical information. Letting Bona take the doc down with him is just bad play.

Yeah...that makes sense.

Can't let him get to KiLo.

[heartthrob24909]

Agreed

Something I'm curious about, Bunny, is that from my point of view, if I'm town, this is my worst outing to date outside of the first game we played at work. Why haven't you tried to push me harder like you have other players (and like I'd imagine you'd do if we were at work)?

I've watched you play scum better too.

You powerwolf in all the games I've seen at work.

And your other game here, you weren't timid. You just played up "I'm new..."

This feels more like scared town who doesn't know anyone enough to have a model yet.

Good answer

[heartthrob24909]

Like, normally I'm all for letting suspicious PR claims sit because it's often town fakeclaiming to draw kills or a real PR that just happened to look bad.

In this case, though, Jamie outed a scan on Bona that has no other explanation, and then Bona claimed the only town role scum could claim there in the hopes of taking the doc down with him. I don't see any other plausible way to interpret what happened. Jamie isn't going to leave a crumb like that if he doesn't have mechanical information. Letting Bona take the doc down with him is just bad play.

Yeah...that makes sense.

Can't let him get to KiLo.

What does KiLo mean

[BunnyGo]

Like, normally I'm all for letting suspicious PR claims sit because it's often town fakeclaiming to draw kills or a real PR that just happened to look bad.

In this case, though, Jamie outed a scan on Bona that has no other explanation, and then Bona claimed the only town role scum could claim there in the hopes of taking the doc down with him. I don't see any other plausible way to interpret what happened. Jamie isn't going to leave a crumb like that if he doesn't have mechanical information. Letting Bona take the doc down with him is just bad play.

Yeah...that makes sense.

Can't let him get to KiLo.

What does KiLo mean

Ki(ll scum or) Lose

[damo666]

Like, normally I'm all for letting suspicious PR claims sit because it's often town fakeclaiming to draw kills or a real PR that just happened to look bad.

In this case, though, Jamie outed a scan on Bona that has no other explanation, and then Bona claimed the only town role scum could claim there in the hopes of taking the doc down with him. I don't see any other plausible way to interpret what happened. Jamie isn't going to leave a crumb like that if he doesn't have mechanical information. Letting Bona take the doc down with him is just bad play.

So vig should just shoot Bona?

[BunnyGo]

Like, normally I'm all for letting suspicious PR claims sit because it's often town fakeclaiming to draw kills or a real PR that just happened to look bad.

In this case, though, Jamie outed a scan on Bona that has no other explanation, and then Bona claimed the only town role scum could claim there in the hopes of taking the doc down with him. I don't see any other plausible way to interpret what happened. Jamie isn't going to leave a crumb like that if he doesn't have mechanical information. Letting Bona take the doc down with him is just bad play.

Yeah...that makes sense.

Can't let him get to KiLo.

What does KiLo mean

Which is subtly different from MiLo: Mi(sskill town and) Lo(se)

[BunnyGo]

Like, normally I'm all for letting suspicious PR claims sit because it's often town fakeclaiming to draw kills or a real PR that just happened to look bad.

In this case, though, Jamie outed a scan on Bona that has no other explanation, and then Bona claimed the only town role scum could claim there in the hopes of taking the doc down with him. I don't see any other plausible way to interpret what happened. Jamie isn't going to leave a crumb like that if he doesn't have mechanical information. Letting Bona take the doc down with him is just bad play.

So vig should just shoot Bona?

What do you think of our count...

We're currently 8-2.

Unless doc saves the kill, we're at 7-2

If vig hits scum: 7-1 (still 2 miskills)

Vig hits town: 6-2

Oh...

Then a miskill gets us to 5-2.

Night gets us to 4-2...nope, that's MiLo

[Chaqa]

Chaqa?

I didn’t think I had to explain that VT!Tem wouldn’t fake claim

I just like completeness.

I don't. Something complete is so final.

[heartthrob24909]

Yeah...that makes sense.

Can't let him get to KiLo.

What does KiLo mean

Which is subtly different from MiLo: Mi(sskill town and) Lo(se)

Does the difference have to do with the town/scum ratio heading into the next night phase?

Something like this?

At day phase:
3 town - 2 scum : Misskill town and Lose
3 town - 3 scum : Kill scum or lose

Or do I have that right?