MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

I would like to know why the heartthrob voters prefer heartthrob over Temasek.

[bozotheclown]

heartthrob's wagon right now is similar to a list of my top scum suspects.

[bozotheclown]

I can see general apathy and also specifically think that Chaqa is town. I find people who were here and didn't actually seem invested in affecting the outcome more suspicious than those who were simply absent, and there's a meta history of Chaqa being more invested as scum.

That description may fit what damo did, but I think Bonatogether actively tried to get HB DKed over Temasek, and rdrivera actively tried to get Temasek DKed over HB, so I find your conclusion suspicious, because there would be scum motivation for it if Bonatogether and rdrivera are town or if Temasek is mafia.

I think rd's behavior was performative because he had no real stake. He seemed more concerned with making bona look bad than with catching Tem. That to me does reflect apathy about the result. (For clarity, I think this is plausibly a bus.)

Bona defending Tem is certainly a possibility. If we're in a world where Bona is scum and rd is town, Tem looks like scum, which is a connection I drew as I was making the apathy comment, but something about bona:s EoD nonchelance leads me to believe that he wasn't acting to save a teammate. If that's the case, regardless of whether either of them is scum individually, it doesn't appear that there was a concerted effort from anyone to protect teammate Temasek.

If you are so certain Bonatogether is mafia, what happened to "If we're in a world where Bona is scum and rd is town, Tem looks like scum"?

[ghug]

That description may fit what damo did, but I think Bonatogether actively tried to get HB DKed over Temasek, and rdrivera actively tried to get Temasek DKed over HB, so I find your conclusion suspicious, because there would be scum motivation for it if Bonatogether and rdrivera are town or if Temasek is mafia.

I think rd's behavior was performative because he had no real stake. He seemed more concerned with making bona look bad than with catching Tem. That to me does reflect apathy about the result. (For clarity, I think this is plausibly a bus.)

Bona defending Tem is certainly a possibility. If we're in a world where Bona is scum and rd is town, Tem looks like scum, which is a connection I drew as I was making the apathy comment, but something about bona:s EoD nonchelance leads me to believe that he wasn't acting to save a teammate. If that's the case, regardless of whether either of them is scum individually, it doesn't appear that there was a concerted effort from anyone to protect teammate Temasek.

If you are so certain Bonatogether is mafia, what happened to "If we're in a world where Bona is scum and rd is town, Tem looks like scum"?

This is fair. Tem is my other top suspect for a bona teammate. I voted heart because there wasn't a heart wagon, and because I think he's been one of the worst in his (non)reaction to Jamie's death and Bona's claim.

##VOTE Tem for big tie energy

##VOTE Tem

[damo666]

May be a tie but note heart can move to Tem

[damo666]

I think we should make one a runaway wagon. There is a danger Tem amd heart are both scum and could manipulate a tie.

I don't really care which.

[bozotheclown]

How is Damo voting for Temasek the opposite of picking one of Temasek and HB...?

He said we should pick to avoid a tie, didn't pick himself, and then voted for the losing wagon to make a tie more plausible closer to EoD.

It was a complicated EOD with neither Tem nor Ham voting each other. My vote for Them was baiting a trap (see my response to Bozo - "To see"). I wasn't particularly bothered who went as long as it was an off-sweeter. I was monitoring and ready to shift if a tie looked likely.

I haven't done a VCA yet but the immediate thing that strikes me is how many were not around EOD.

The relative EOD apathy could indicate TvT.

Maybe it's something like Bunny Macca rdr. Or swap one for ghug/Jamie/Will .

When you said "The relative EOD apathy could indicate TvT", where you just repeating what ghug said, or was that your independent opinion?

[bozotheclown]

I think we should make one a runaway wagon. There is a danger Tem amd heart are both scum and could manipulate a tie.

I don't really care which.

If you do not care which, you could break the current tie.

[bozotheclown]

I think rd's behavior was performative because he had no real stake. He seemed more concerned with making bona look bad than with catching Tem. That to me does reflect apathy about the result. (For clarity, I think this is plausibly a bus.)

Bona defending Tem is certainly a possibility. If we're in a world where Bona is scum and rd is town, Tem looks like scum, which is a connection I drew as I was making the apathy comment, but something about bona:s EoD nonchelance leads me to believe that he wasn't acting to save a teammate. If that's the case, regardless of whether either of them is scum individually, it doesn't appear that there was a concerted effort from anyone to protect teammate Temasek.

If you are so certain Bonatogether is mafia, what happened to "If we're in a world where Bona is scum and rd is town, Tem looks like scum"?

This is fair. Tem is my other top suspect for a bona teammate. I voted heart because there wasn't a heart wagon, and because I think he's been one of the worst in his (non)reaction to Jamie's death and Bona's claim.

##VOTE Tem for big tie energy

##VOTE Tem

Do you think heart's reaction was bad only with the assumption that Bonatogether is mafia?

[bozotheclown]

Temasek and HB could both be mafia based on the way they have voted D2.

So let's just pick one and run with it to avoid the tie.

Why didn't pick one yourself at the time you posted this?

[ghug]

If you are so certain Bonatogether is mafia, what happened to "If we're in a world where Bona is scum and rd is town, Tem looks like scum"?

This is fair. Tem is my other top suspect for a bona teammate. I voted heart because there wasn't a heart wagon, and because I think he's been one of the worst in his (non)reaction to Jamie's death and Bona's claim.

##VOTE Tem for big tie energy

##VOTE Tem

Do you think heart's reaction was bad only with the assumption that Bonatogether is mafia?

No, I think not trying to interact with new information is bad regardless of Bona's type role, but I also don't see much suggesting they aren't paired, and I think a lot of people (damo, Bunny, Rd) either look pretty good based on behavior today or based on unlikely pairing with Bona.

[ghug]

Temasek and HB could both be mafia based on the way they have voted D2.

So let's just pick one and run with it to avoid the tie.

Why didn't pick one yourself at the time you posted this?

Oh, now you care about this...

[heartthrob24909]

I think rd's behavior was performative because he had no real stake. He seemed more concerned with making bona look bad than with catching Tem. That to me does reflect apathy about the result. (For clarity, I think this is plausibly a bus.)

Bona defending Tem is certainly a possibility. If we're in a world where Bona is scum and rd is town, Tem looks like scum, which is a connection I drew as I was making the apathy comment, but something about bona:s EoD nonchelance leads me to believe that he wasn't acting to save a teammate. If that's the case, regardless of whether either of them is scum individually, it doesn't appear that there was a concerted effort from anyone to protect teammate Temasek.

If you are so certain Bonatogether is mafia, what happened to "If we're in a world where Bona is scum and rd is town, Tem looks like scum"?

This is fair. Tem is my other top suspect for a bona teammate. I voted heart because there wasn't a heart wagon, and because I think he's been one of the worst in his (non)reaction to Jamie's death and Bona's claim.

##VOTE Tem for big tie energy

##VOTE Tem

This is valid. Still getting my sea legs and a little bit getting over not wanting to incorrectly theorize about people who I don't know... but I get that that's the whole idea

[worcej]

Catching up as we speak - the mill I am at does not have cell phone reception to do when there... thankfully I am on EST at least...

if you insist on scumreading an uncced pr, you might as well vote me out now and find out you're wrong. keeping someone you scumread alive makes no logical sense.

Town has time on their side...if there were only one scum, and STILL no CC...well, I'd almost have to believe you.

But as it is, this is a patient hunt. No need to run when the prey is wounded. I can go for your partner first.

I feel like you're too deep into a tunnel of Bona here Bunny - mechanics alone almost completely clears him...

[bozotheclown]

Oh! What if it's two of damo/heart/Tem?

That would make some sense for the EOD movement. Sweet and Just couldn't get on Macca, since they could see Macca would save by jumping on them, and they were worried it'd line up all the scum on one nearly 100% scum driven wagon.

Just did vote for Macca.

[bozotheclown]

So let's just pick one and run with it to avoid the tie.

Why didn't pick one yourself at the time you posted this?

Oh, now you care about this...

I don't know what you mean, I tried to get damo to pick one at the time:

So let's just pick one and run with it to avoid the tie.

You are not voting or either one yet.

for either one

damo has now done the same thing again:

I think we should make one a runaway wagon. There is a danger Tem amd heart are both scum and could manipulate a tie.

I don't really care which.

[bozotheclown]

So let's just pick one and run with it to avoid the tie.

Why didn't pick one yourself at the time you posted this?

Oh, now you care about this...

Why didn't you care about it at the time?

[worcej]

I don't believe Bunny and Bona could be scum together.

Why?

Seems unlikely two mafia would have named starting with B

Example of a "wtf? moment" of Chaqa's

[worcej]

no serious townie can argue that leaving someone they believe to be scum alive is worth it. not even if i was claiming to be the most overpowered pr would it be worth it.

killing some rando is a dumbass move

I mean, after the scum vigilante shot, a doctor CC should've immediately came because it'd kill you (in this situation) and leave only one scum player left.

Maybe a CC already came, but so far from this post nothing's come out so I'm fairly confident you're our doctor.

[bozotheclown]

Oh! What if it's two of damo/heart/Tem?

That would make some sense for the EOD movement. Sweet and Just couldn't get on Macca, since they could see Macca would save by jumping on them, and they were worried it'd line up all the scum on one nearly 100% scum driven wagon.

Just and Sweet were equally suspicious D1, if I were mafia and planned to bus I would have bussed Just instead of sweet earlier on in D1 since one has powers and the other doesn't.

I think it's more like sweet and Just had no choice, it would have been really weird to suddenly swap votes when 3 wagons are all nearly tied for the lead

This could be Temasek trying to get credit for bussing the stalker instead of the goon D1.

I also don't like that Temasek responded to this but ignored my questions from earlier.