MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

Whats more likely? Jamie picked the right person to view (about 1/15 chance) or Bona visited Spirit and also got roleblocked (a 1/225 chance). The math doesn’t add up in Bona’s favor, and this is one of the reasons why I think its Bona

There is also the possibility that Jamie incorrectly suspected Bonatogether was mafia and not indicating a watch report.

As Jamie would know he would reveal as Watcher in the event of his death do you not think he would be more careful in wording his EON msg had he got no results?

Not necessarily, he may have thought Bonatogether was the best DK D3 regardless.

[bozotheclown]

There is also the possibility that Jamie incorrectly suspected Bonatogether was mafia and not indicating a watch report.

It is because of this possibility that we should wait to DK Bonatogether, because if he is fake claiming, we will know it when we find out the identity of the real doctor.

Given how much game is left, there's value in letting the doctor stay hidden.

I am not suggesting the doctor should claim, I think they should stay hidden as long as possible.

[ghug]

There is also the possibility that Jamie incorrectly suspected Bonatogether was mafia and not indicating a watch report.

A watcher ending the two nights they're alive with "If I die, kill whoever you think best." and "If I die, kill Bona." seems pretty clear to me.

Jamie also said this, which is not clear that Jamie had confirmed Bonatogether as mafia:

tl;dr:

Flip Bonatogether tomorrow, and if he is scum, flip BunnyGo.

If Bonatogether dies and is not scum, flip Chaqa or JustWill.

Pushing the result of your scan as if it's a read and then leaving a crumb making it clear in case you die is pretty standard investigative play.

[ghug]

It is because of this possibility that we should wait to DK Bonatogether, because if he is fake claiming, we will know it when we find out the identity of the real doctor.

Given how much game is left, there's value in letting the doctor stay hidden.

I am not suggesting the doctor should claim, I think they should stay hidden as long as possible.

This is the sort of thing I've advocated in the past, but we inevitably spend days discussing the player in question instead of moving on to solve or the real PR ends up claiming prematurely to get things back on track.

[brainbomb]

Meanwhile at the Animal Hospital

Jamie: Hi there, I am a perky attractive vet who is still single for some reason.

Mike: And I am a handsome, brooding guy with a dog that doesnt feel well. Can you help me with my dog Vet lady? And then perhaps I will tell a casual joke and make you laugh, and then we fall in love.

Jamie: What is your dogs name?

Mike: Faceripper

Chaqa (4) rdrivera2005 BunnyGo worcej damo666
Bonatogether (3) ghug JustAGuyNamedWill heartthrob24909
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) Bonatogether



Non-votes: bozotheclown, Temasek22, Chaqa, Macca573

Chaqa is scheduled to die
27 hours remain in the day

[brainbomb]

A shot rings out!

Justaguynamedwill has died he was Ryan Paevey a big city Mafia Goon

[worcej]

I don't mind being Vig fodder btw

Chaqa voters, what do we think of this? Why would he say this?

I don’t really think you can psycho analyze chaqa because he has done so much random shit over time that it’s impossible to just assume he will be reasonable.

[worcej]

A shot rings out!

Justaguynamedwill has died he was Ryan Paevey a big city Mafia Goon

HA! Well done Vig!

[worcej]

Holy fuck - D1 was S vs S lol

[worcej]

If the Vig wanted input, they could announce who they planned on shooting and let everyone discuss, then do the same at night. If the mafia are well hidden, the mafia would welcome the Vig shooting early and often.

They could roleblock iff the target is scum, which is deeply suboptimal for town.

I assumed the Vig shot would be processed immediately at night and not be subject to a roleblock.

Every game is different, but typically a night vig shot is processed at end of phase so it can be RB’ed

[worcej]

Because it seems so obvious he's lying I forgot we weren't in a rush to get him today. That we can wait on getting bofa and get a different scum today.

Why is it obvious that he is not the real doctor?

It’s such a dumb decision on the doctors part to reveal so early. I am 95% sure this is a fake claim so that Bona can save his own ass.

I am 95% sure Bona is the actual doctor with Will’s flip now revealing he was scum.

[Bonatogether]

A shot rings out!

Justaguynamedwill has died he was Ryan Paevey a big city Mafia Goon

W

[worcej]

a) I was already coming around to the idea he was scum during N2

b) his snap claim is silly as doctor; both to claim, and to specifically claim both his night actions--just don't say them

c) his claim is in contradiction to the assumption Jamie saw him visiting spirit

d) his only prior claims that I could dig up were dragged out of him at last minute (see my post referencing all the claims he's ever made that weren't of the nature "I claim I'm an american" or "I claim bofa deez nuts!")

The assumption about Jamie could be wrong, and Bonatogether's claim is not a good claim as mafia either. Also, the mafia have a ninja.

And roleblocker...they probably used both on spirit.

Honestly, with a watcher in play, I’d expect scum to withhold the RB.

[ghug]

A shot rings out!

Justaguynamedwill has died he was Ryan Paevey a big city Mafia Goon

Hype

[ghug]

Why is it obvious that he is not the real doctor?

It’s such a dumb decision on the doctors part to reveal so early. I am 95% sure this is a fake claim so that Bona can save his own ass.

I am 95% sure Bona is the actual doctor with Will’s flip now revealing he was scum.

Wait why? Will's biggest crime today in my mind was having too clear a picture of scum bona's N1 actions. And I guess softing vig lol.

[worcej]

It’s such a dumb decision on the doctors part to reveal so early. I am 95% sure this is a fake claim so that Bona can save his own ass.

I am 95% sure Bona is the actual doctor with Will’s flip now revealing he was scum.

Wait why? Will's biggest crime today in my mind was having too clear a picture of scum bona's N1 actions. And I guess softing vig lol.

I think scum!Will would try to push doctor!Bona to be DK’ed over trying to distance from scum!Bona.

[ghug]

Whats more likely? Jamie picked the right person to view (about 1/15 chance) or Bona visited Spirit and also got roleblocked (a 1/225 chance). The math doesn’t add up in Bona’s favor, and this is one of the reasons why I think its Bona

There is also the possibility that Jamie incorrectly suspected Bonatogether was mafia and not indicating a watch report.

I thought we knew Jamie knew Bona visited Spirit?

Does someone with the confidence and understanding of mechanics Will was displaying elsewhere have the wherewithal to fake this about the doctor?

[bozotheclown]

SpiritoftheRadio was correct about Just, he might have been correct about BunnyGo also.

##VOTE BunnyGo

[bozotheclown]

Another argument against my jokes, I made ONE unprompted.

Then Hamilton commented on how I should stop doing that, and in response I made another, so I have one joke unprompted.

Bunny is right, jokes are the tool of someone who doesn't know how to behave as Mafia.

sweetandcool could have been distancing BunnyGo by agreeing with him, to counter expectations.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

There is also the possibility that Jamie incorrectly suspected Bonatogether was mafia and not indicating a watch report.

As Jamie would know he would reveal as Watcher in the event of his death do you not think he would be more careful in wording his EON msg had he got no results?

Not necessarily, he may have thought Bonatogether was the best DK D3 regardless.

That clears things up