MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[ghug]

After me, Ghug was the next person on D2 to vote for Hamilton. He moved from Temasek onto Hamilton in response to Hamilton asking me a question about my D1 vote for Temasek.

Noting that Ghug did later move, and ended up on Temasek.

Ghug's Hamilton vote there does not make much sense. Ghug, could you comment please?

I thought the post in question was weird and agenda-y, and I largely agreed with your vote, so I wanted to add pressure.

I thought they were both fine kills, FWIW. I voted Tem at the end in the hopes of making EoD competitive, and then I got waylaid by an asshole who insisted I didn't know how to tie a tree to a car and needed to do it himself.

[ghug]

I don't mind being Vig fodder btw

Interesting bluff?

Maybe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, but I think it's better that than wasting a full day phase on flipping me.

The vig does really need to start shooting but since you're probably town I think you should consider just acting like it so people won't kill you.

[ghug]

Missed phase change due to college football.

Rough to see HB was the flip, but I didn’t have a strong read or defense of him - I just didn’t like the 3 votes on him last I saw.

hate this post

I mean, you can hate it but college football rivalry weekend when my team was 11-0 going into the weekend was far more important than this game

I doubt that's why he hates it.

[ghug]

hate this post

I mean, you can hate it but college football rivalry weekend when my team was 11-0 going into the weekend was far more important than this game

Is your team (the!)OSU?

He's more of a Penix man.

[bozotheclown]

How is Damo voting for Temasek the opposite of picking one of Temasek and HB...?

He said we should pick to avoid a tie, didn't pick himself, and then voted for the losing wagon to make a tie more plausible closer to EoD.

It was a complicated EOD with neither Tem nor Ham voting each other. My vote for Them was baiting a trap (see my response to Bozo - "To see"). I wasn't particularly bothered who went as long as it was an off-sweeter. I was monitoring and ready to shift if a tie looked likely.

I haven't done a VCA yet but the immediate thing that strikes me is how many were not around EOD.

The relative EOD apathy could indicate TvT.

Maybe it's something like Bunny Macca rdr. Or swap one for ghug/Jamie/Will .

Your response to me was to my asking you why you voted for Macca at 8 minutes, it was not about your vote for Temasek.

What "trap" was set by making the vote 7-4 instead of 7-3? What would someone have to do to be caught by that trap?

[bozotheclown]

So I feel like the most likely is that EoD apathy means it was TvT and we should be looking at people like Bona/Rd/damo. If Tem is scum, maybe bona, maybe heartthrob, maybe damo, but none of those really feel quite right, which leads me back to the former. People who were totally absent?

How is Damo voting for Temasek the opposite of picking one of Temasek and HB...?

He said we should pick to avoid a tie, didn't pick himself, and then voted for the losing wagon to make a tie more plausible closer to EoD.

It was a complicated EOD with neither Tem nor Ham voting each other. My vote for Them was baiting a trap (see my response to Bozo - "To see"). I wasn't particularly bothered who went as long as it was an off-sweeter. I was monitoring and ready to shift if a tie looked likely.

I haven't done a VCA yet but the immediate thing that strikes me is how many were not around EOD.

The relative EOD apathy could indicate TvT.

Maybe it's something like Bunny Macca rdr. Or swap one for ghug/Jamie/Will .

These posts are strangely similar, did you come up with this template in mafia chat?

What exactly made D2 EOD seem more apathetic that a typical EOD? Why does such alleged apathy lead to suspecting the players listed?

[bozotheclown]

So I feel like the most likely is that EoD apathy means it was TvT and we should be looking at people like Bona/Rd/damo. If Tem is scum, maybe bona, maybe heartthrob, maybe damo, but none of those really feel quite right, which leads me back to the former. People who were totally absent?

If you think there was EOD apathy, and that the apathy was an indication of EOD being T vs. T, I would assume you meant that the remaining mafia were apathetic about which one of Temasek or HB was the DK. However, the 3 players you listed as players we should look at based on either EoD apathy or T vs. T were active at EOD.

[Jamiet99uk]

tl;dr:

Flip Bonatogether tomorrow, and if he is scum, flip BunnyGo.

If Bonatogether dies and is not scum, flip Chaqa or JustWill.

Will is my strongest townread :/

That is interesting.

How so?

[Jamiet99uk]

Bozotheclown was the penultimate Hamilton voter, moving from Temasek. Bozo stated that he thought Hamilton's play was consistent with a previous recent scum game appearance by Hamilton.

(I have checked, and Hamilton was scum in the game Bozo referenced).

Do you town him for this move? It’s implied but seeking explicit answer.

I was reviewing every person who voted Hamilton at any point in D2 and looking at whether they justified their vote in a reasonable fashion, or not. Bozo did. It's minor town-point in his favour, but yes.

[Jamiet99uk]

After me, Ghug was the next person on D2 to vote for Hamilton. He moved from Temasek onto Hamilton in response to Hamilton asking me a question about my D1 vote for Temasek.

Noting that Ghug did later move, and ended up on Temasek.

Ghug's Hamilton vote there does not make much sense. Ghug, could you comment please?

I thought the post in question was weird and agenda-y, and I largely agreed with your vote, so I wanted to add pressure.

I thought they were both fine kills, FWIW. I voted Tem at the end in the hopes of making EoD competitive, and then I got waylaid by an asshole who insisted I didn't know how to tie a tree to a car and needed to do it himself.

Thanks for the context.

Why were you trying to tie your car to a tree?

[bozotheclown]

How is Damo voting for Temasek the opposite of picking one of Temasek and HB...?

He said we should pick to avoid a tie, didn't pick himself, and then voted for the losing wagon to make a tie more plausible closer to EoD.

It was a complicated EOD with neither Tem nor Ham voting each other. My vote for Them was baiting a trap (see my response to Bozo - "To see"). I wasn't particularly bothered who went as long as it was an off-sweeter. I was monitoring and ready to shift if a tie looked likely.

I haven't done a VCA yet but the immediate thing that strikes me is how many were not around EOD.

The relative EOD apathy could indicate TvT.

Maybe it's something like Bunny Macca rdr. Or swap one for ghug/Jamie/Will .

What did you find striking about the number players who were not online at EOD? It was basically the same players who were not online D1 EOD.

[Jamiet99uk]

Detective Bozo is here and he's on the case.

I love this part.

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[damo666]

He said we should pick to avoid a tie, didn't pick himself, and then voted for the losing wagon to make a tie more plausible closer to EoD.

It was a complicated EOD with neither Tem nor Ham voting each other. My vote for Them was baiting a trap (see my response to Bozo - "To see"). I wasn't particularly bothered who went as long as it was an off-sweeter. I was monitoring and ready to shift if a tie looked likely.

I haven't done a VCA yet but the immediate thing that strikes me is how many were not around EOD.

The relative EOD apathy could indicate TvT.

Maybe it's something like Bunny Macca rdr. Or swap one for ghug/Jamie/Will .

Your response to me was to my asking you why you voted for Macca at 8 minutes, it was not about your vote for Temasek.

What "trap" was set by making the vote 7-4 instead of 7-3? What would someone have to do to be caught by that trap?

My bad re Macca/Tem.

I was considering if it were SvS there may be a tie attempt so was watching for that.

[damo666]

He said we should pick to avoid a tie, didn't pick himself, and then voted for the losing wagon to make a tie more plausible closer to EoD.

It was a complicated EOD with neither Tem nor Ham voting each other. My vote for Them was baiting a trap (see my response to Bozo - "To see"). I wasn't particularly bothered who went as long as it was an off-sweeter. I was monitoring and ready to shift if a tie looked likely.

I haven't done a VCA yet but the immediate thing that strikes me is how many were not around EOD.

The relative EOD apathy could indicate TvT.

Maybe it's something like Bunny Macca rdr. Or swap one for ghug/Jamie/Will .

What did you find striking about the number players who were not online at EOD? It was basically the same players who were not online D1 EOD.

I didn't particularly notice D1.

[bozotheclown]

will moving onto her was the first thing thats really registered as scummy. Sweet is on his wagon too

Can you spell out what you're saying this means about the alignments of all three for someone who's ten pages behind?

Will wasnt seeming scummy to me until now. Sweet would bus his scum buddy, will would probably not without coaching. This vote is indiciative of a scum will to me. Bunny also seems really scummy and unpleasant. But she is going hard for will, idk her meta. I also kind of like voting sweet because he is playing like a mafia who is bussing his teammate. But I'm between will and sweet atm for a vote switch

SpiritoftheRadio might have been correct about Just. I know I previously said it seemed unlikely the top 2 D1 wagons were mafia, but Just voting for Macca instead of sweetandcool when he did D1 does look very questionable. It also would explain why sweetandcool did not make a fake PR claim in the last 4 minutes of D1 to at least try to out a real PR.

[bozotheclown]

Interesting bluff?

Maybe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, but I think it's better that than wasting a full day phase on flipping me.

The vig does really need to start shooting but since you're probably town I think you should consider just acting like it so people won't kill you.

Considering ghug's EOD apathy post that I find suspicious, this seems like it could be pocketing.

[bozotheclown]

Spirit said that if I was going to be miskill end late in the game, he’d rather not have that and he preferred if I died early. I think the mafia killed spirit just so they could say “Oh yeah Will was a target of Spirit” then kill me

OK...

Whom do you think (I won't hold you to it) a possible 3 remaining scum team is?

No matter how I answer this is going to get me hella suspicions.

The 4 are probably:
Sweet
Ghug because he has no goddamn clue why I am scum, only that I am. Feeling is not enough to warrant a vote.
Other two I have no idea. Is two of: Jamie, Worcej, Heartthrob, Bunny, or taotao

This could be Just distancing ghug.

[bozotheclown]

Don't worry, BunnyGo is probably just mafia.

What does me trying to understand a vocal player have to do with my alignment?

Specifically here it feels like you're trying to convince me Will is town without saying "Will is town".

Did BunnyGo convince you?

[BunnyGo]

@bozo or really anyone who knows Just: is he generally quiet at night? Lurk much?

[ghug]

So I feel like the most likely is that EoD apathy means it was TvT and we should be looking at people like Bona/Rd/damo. If Tem is scum, maybe bona, maybe heartthrob, maybe damo, but none of those really feel quite right, which leads me back to the former. People who were totally absent?

He said we should pick to avoid a tie, didn't pick himself, and then voted for the losing wagon to make a tie more plausible closer to EoD.

It was a complicated EOD with neither Tem nor Ham voting each other. My vote for Them was baiting a trap (see my response to Bozo - "To see"). I wasn't particularly bothered who went as long as it was an off-sweeter. I was monitoring and ready to shift if a tie looked likely.

I haven't done a VCA yet but the immediate thing that strikes me is how many were not around EOD.

The relative EOD apathy could indicate TvT.

Maybe it's something like Bunny Macca rdr. Or swap one for ghug/Jamie/Will .

These posts are strangely similar, did you come up with this template in mafia chat?

What exactly made D2 EOD seem more apathetic that a typical EOD? Why does such alleged apathy lead to suspecting the players listed?

Nobody seemed that concerned with trying to make things happen, and EoD was relatively quiet for a D2. It could simply be the holiday and the weekend and the long day, and that did probably have some effect, but the mutedness still suggests to me that a lot of people didn't care.

That leads me to townread the sort of people, like you (and me) who had interest in making it interesting, and suspect the sort of people who were posturing (like rd) or whose actions seem incongruous with a townie perspective (bona and damo).