MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[Jamiet99uk]

Damo's Survey:

Damo: 1
Worcej: 1
Temasek: 2
Jamiet99uk: 2
Chaqa: 3

Thank you Jamie.

So far Jamie's answer is unique. Anyone want to say why?

No, it is the same as Temasek's answer.

[Jamiet99uk]

Damo's Survey:

Damo: 1
Worcej: 1
BunnyGo: 1
Temasek: 2
Jamiet99uk: 2
Chaqa: 3

[heartthrob24909]

@Bozo fancy running a survey on how many bussers people think were on sweet?

I'll ko with 1

Does bussers mean mafia teammates in this context

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo fancy running a survey on how many bussers people think were on sweet?

I'll ko with 1

Does bussers mean mafia teammates in this context

Yes. Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners by voting for them and/or accusing them of being scum. The term "bussing" comes from the phrase "to throw under the bus", which means sacrificing them (or risking doing so) to gain credibility.

[heartthrob24909]

@Bozo fancy running a survey on how many bussers people think were on sweet?

I'll ko with 1

Does bussers mean mafia teammates in this context

Yes. Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners by voting for them and/or accusing them of being scum. The term "bussing" comes from the phrase "to throw under the bus", which means sacrificing them (or risking doing so) to gain credibility.

Thanks. Had incorrectly interpreted it as just "one who votes the same as a large group"... Being on the bus, not throwing people underneath it. Lol

My instinct is to say there were 2

[ghug]

Caught up.

My towncore*: worcej bozo Spirit

Will is interesting, but I think he's town.

Most likely scum: Temasek

Finding Jamie just a tad suspicious.

And maybe just recency bias but I wonder if ghug looking for possible sweet bussers is a cover for himself?

Preferred D2K Temasek but wouldn't mind seeing Macca flipped.

* I predict the NK will be in these 3 (or me).

Both rdr and Chaqa have done little enough to ensure they are not the NK (if town).

When we catch scum day one, there's always bussing.

How many?

Most likely one or two.

[Jamiet99uk]

Damo's Survey:

Damo: 1
Worcej: 1
BunnyGo: 1
Temasek: 2
Jamiet99uk: 2
Heart-throb: 2
Chaqa: 3

[heartthrob24909]

Does bussers mean mafia teammates in this context

Yes. Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners by voting for them and/or accusing them of being scum. The term "bussing" comes from the phrase "to throw under the bus", which means sacrificing them (or risking doing so) to gain credibility.

Thanks. Had incorrectly interpreted it as just "one who votes the same as a large group"... Being on the bus, not throwing people underneath it. Lol

My instinct is to say there were 2

To elaborate: thinking 1 early vote and 1 late vote isnt unreasonable in this situation.

Looking at voting record alone Temasek catches my eye - though ik they didnt end up on sweet - for having voted sweet and switching off (this was well before most of the EOD action took place).

Have not yet had the chance to line this up with timing of posts to read any more into this, though.

Generally would not be surprised if one of the late-day votes for sweet were another teammate of theirs.

[heartthrob24909]

@Bozo fancy running a survey on how many bussers people think were on sweet?

I'll ko with 1

Does bussers mean mafia teammates in this context

Yes. Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners by voting for them and/or accusing them of being scum. The term "bussing" comes from the phrase "to throw under the bus", which means sacrificing them (or risking doing so) to gain credibility.

Do those who voted for sweet and then changed to something else and had votes that didn't end up on sweet count as bussers

[Jamiet99uk]

Does bussers mean mafia teammates in this context

Yes. Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners by voting for them and/or accusing them of being scum. The term "bussing" comes from the phrase "to throw under the bus", which means sacrificing them (or risking doing so) to gain credibility.

Do those who voted for sweet and then changed to something else and had votes that didn't end up on sweet count as bussers

Their actions count as "bussing", yes. But they do not count specifically for Damo's question. He's asking how many people we think were bussing at EoD.

[BunnyGo]

@jamie some highlights of my thoughts:

This post by sweet was unlikely to be an attempt to bus you:

Guys, I said something incredibly British and Jamiet didn't catch it. I'm beginning to doubt his identity.

Not sure if this is buddying or coaching:

So far I scumread worcej and ND. Why? Worcej and ND have been playing really weirdly comparatively to the last game. Especially ND. He completely dipped after we pointed out his unusual actions.

What's different about worcej to you?

but THIS reads like coaching:

I started to have a feeling that Will might be scum this game.

Huh awfully bold claim 13 pages in, Mr. Rivera.

And yes, i will still be defending myself extremely hard, like last time, so come at me

One thing I've learned is that you don't really have to respond to stuff like this, Will.

Rdr didn't even give a vague reason for it (though the quoted text implies it was because of your jokes).

We all know you were joking, or possibly, "joking".

Reserve defense for actual accusations, and focus on hunting or whatever.

This post (and the two immediately preceding it) feel more like sweet trying to miskill a slot he's worried will now be harder to miskill when it swaps from ND to Bona. He was looking forward to getting an ND miskill I think.

Also, ##VOTE Bona

I've decided that ND (Bona) could be scum.

ND's strategy actually halfway worked last time as Mafia. Several people townread him for his antics. So I'm thinking this game he decided to resurrect that strategy, banking on the fact that people would assume he wouldn't be so obvious about using his previous scum-strategy, and therefore would townread him.

The later posts with him voting ND and arguing with Bona continued this feel to me.

I’m not liking any of the wagons today. And I think they’re largely town lead. Just don’t like.

@bona @sweet @worcej what’re your thoughts on spirit so far?

I literally have had no thoughts on Radio this game, except poking him for pocketing.

What about you?

This is strange, I think if Spirit is a teammate he either ignores me or pushes a view. Sitting back and shrugging seems like he's giving a chance for ME to err by pushing a miskill on Spirit.


I think worcej, damo, bona, and jamie look towny.

ghug, spirit, bozo, and heart look townier than null.

Biggest POE: Tem, rdr, HamB, Chaqa

So did a bit of a dive on their ISOs:

Tem responded with a vote on sweet for voting on Bona. This feels unlike what I'd expect from scum!Tem in that situation.

Chaqa opened by scumming sweet, and then saying "why not both sweet AND ND being scum?" on page 8.

HamB and rdr looked pretty scummy on votes and posts. rdr is always hard to read. HamB...when he looks scummy...he is usually scum.


Would like wagons (in order of how likely I think they're scum) of

HamB, rdr(?), Just, Macca(?) tomorrow.


And Archie Jones...gotta find Archie Jones.

[damo666]

Damo's Survey:

Damo: 1
Worcej: 1
Temasek: 2
Jamiet99uk: 2
Chaqa: 3

Thank you Jamie.

So far Jamie's answer is unique. Anyone want to say why?

No, it is the same as Temasek's answer.

I didn't say unique number. Your answer had a unique quality.

[BunnyGo]

Thank you Jamie.

So far Jamie's answer is unique. Anyone want to say why?

No, it is the same as Temasek's answer.

I didn't say unique number. Your answer had a unique quality.

That he wrote it out as the words "one" and "two"?

[BunnyGo]

No, it is the same as Temasek's answer.

I didn't say unique number. Your answer had a unique quality.

That he wrote it out as the words "one" and "two"?

No...ghug did that too

[damo666]

No, it is the same as Temasek's answer.

I didn't say unique number. Your answer had a unique quality.

That he wrote it out as the words "one" and "two"?

Nope. And his answer remains unique.

[worcej]

I didn't say unique number. Your answer had a unique quality.

That he wrote it out as the words "one" and "two"?

Nope. And his answer remains unique.

Is it because between 1 and 2 is something like 1.5?

[ghug]

Whom I trust now, who's left in POE.

Have you reached any conclusions, Dr. Bunny?

Yes! I do have some thoughts and observations that I've shared with the GT.

Are you interested in hearing them?

I am!

[ghug]

How many?

My guess would be that it's between one and two.

What? 1.43?

It's quite interesting. If it's none or one we want to concentrate on non-sweet voters 2m (Tem/Macca). If it's 2 or 3 we want to stick to sweet voters (Will, you, ghug).

We don't know. I think the key thing I don't like doing in these cases is eliminating half the game from consideration in either direction. Look at the individual sweet voters to see who's more/less likely to bus. Look at the non-sweet voters to see who might have been trying to protect him. If there are two, it's plausible that one is a late voter like Jamie or Will who isn't getting much credit to begin with.

Out of curiosity, what makes worcej and Spirit towncore but not me or Bona?

[ghug]

I say 3

I like this new Chaqa who believes in bussing.

I'm going to say 1.7

[ghug]

Damo's Survey:

Damo: 1
Worcej: 1
Temasek: 2
Jamiet99uk: 2
Chaqa: 3

Thank you Jamie.

So far Jamie's answer is unique. Anyone want to say why?

Everyone else thinks the majority of the remaining scum didn't vote with them.