MAFIA 39 - GAME THREAD

[y2kjbk]

it's awfully lucky for rdr that those retractions happened, if your theory is right.

[yavuzovic]

1) you think a scum with love heart would love a scummate? Danger of double hit?
3) How?

1) Well, double hit is a high risk but keeping a town alive doesn't match with scum win conditions. Anyway your words make sense and I add DemonRHK to my list too.
3) Scum ND/Vecna/Demon/even rivera might have stolen a nurse kit here? However this doesn't match with ghug's stolen head. Maybe a gamble? You always thought my item was a gamble, can't he just guessed this? Anyway doesn't sound like logical. Right, Worcej is likely town.

3) I think there is no room for a nurses kit in the dead pool unless rdrivera lying and worcej has armour and there's a worcej/rdr scumteam but that means they both hard bussed Squigs after MF down. Way too far fetched. Worcej as near as dammit clear.

Okay, we can stop suspecting worcej then but I still have an itch that says me it's a better idea to keep him in pool.

[yavuzovic]

It doesnt townclear me. It just shows I had a town mindset, and it should be another indicator for other people that backs up a very logical town-vecna-story. Why would a scum with armor be worried whether their armor protects them from their own nightkills? Not like scum are gonna nightkill themselves.

Read the setup from the signup thread. Armors werent originally meant to stop nightkills, but I harassed the gm's that it should, else the items are totally useless. Why on earth would scum do that? They wouldnt.

Vecna, Vecna, I think a town shouldn't focus on clearing themselves. If you find the scum, this will have already cleared you, but you prefer clearing yourself rather than finding guilty guys.

[y2kjbk]

"3) I think there is no room for a nurses kit in the dead pool unless rdrivera lying and worcej has armour and there's a worcej/rdr scumteam but that means they both hard bussed Squigs after MF down. Way too far fetched. Worcej as near as dammit clear."

Why does rdrivera need to be lying for there to be room for a nurse kit in the dead pool?

[Vecna]

Vecna, your rdr theory makes sense in the absense of two armor claim retractions.

Im not saying im convinced Rdrivera is scum. Ofcourse, all that weirdness surrounding the armors made him claiming that armor is stuck to him quite a brilliant scumclaim as well. Regardless, my point was im not so sure whether Ghug resulted in more information gain than Rdrivera would have, seeing how we mislynched regardless.

[Vecna]

It doesnt townclear me. It just shows I had a town mindset, and it should be another indicator for other people that backs up a very logical town-vecna-story. Why would a scum with armor be worried whether their armor protects them from their own nightkills? Not like scum are gonna nightkill themselves.

Read the setup from the signup thread. Armors werent originally meant to stop nightkills, but I harassed the gm's that it should, else the items are totally useless. Why on earth would scum do that? They wouldnt.

Vecna, Vecna, I think a town shouldn't focus on clearing themselves. If you find the scum, this will have already cleared you, but you prefer clearing yourself rather than finding guilty guys.

Town "clearing" themselves helps the other people having an easier time to vote for actual scum Yavuz. If me clearing myself helps avoid my mislynch, then why on earth isnt that great for town?

Besides, its not like im not hunting for scum, so yeah....Ill do this on the side any day.

[y2kjbk]

well it took the thief more or less out of play from these crazy analyses knowing it was ghug's head that was thieved.

[yavuzovic]

damo is more likely for a NK but I feel like I may be NKed too given it will cause 2 losses. I wish I had a report that I can serve you before my death. Looks like snowy didn't attract a roleblock

[yavuzovic]

It doesnt townclear me. It just shows I had a town mindset, and it should be another indicator for other people that backs up a very logical town-vecna-story. Why would a scum with armor be worried whether their armor protects them from their own nightkills? Not like scum are gonna nightkill themselves.

Read the setup from the signup thread. Armors werent originally meant to stop nightkills, but I harassed the gm's that it should, else the items are totally useless. Why on earth would scum do that? They wouldnt.

Vecna, Vecna, I think a town shouldn't focus on clearing themselves. If you find the scum, this will have already cleared you, but you prefer clearing yourself rather than finding guilty guys.

Town "clearing" themselves helps the other people having an easier time to vote for actual scum Yavuz. If me clearing myself helps avoid my mislynch, then why on earth isnt that great for town?

Besides, its not like im not hunting for scum, so yeah....Ill do this on the side any day.

You're a good scumhunter Vecna, I still townread you. But I think finding scum is better than clearing yourself because it also clears you.

[ND]

ugh reading this low iq drivel from a collection of nitwits like Vecna makes me want to scream.

-Durga is scum

Several possibilities for her partner which I will elaborate on soon.

[damo666]

"3) I think there is no room for a nurses kit in the dead pool unless rdrivera lying and worcej has armour and there's a worcej/rdr scumteam but that means they both hard bussed Squigs after MF down. Way too far fetched. Worcej as near as dammit clear."

Why does rdrivera need to be lying for there to be room for a nurse kit in the dead pool?

There is (just) but at the time he would have been at risk of a cc by ND or Vecna. So, possible yes, but highly doubtful imo.

[y2kjbk]

i'm confused. what counterclaim would who be risking under what circumstances?

[damo666]

damo is more likely for a NK but I feel like I may be NKed too given it will cause 2 losses. I wish I had a report that I can serve you before my death. Looks like snowy didn't attract a roleblock

Unless demonRHK is scum loveheart and simply lied about his affection or switched following RB.

When I sent him the bd card he really had no choice but to declare it.

I'm not saying he IS scum but he's far from townclear.

If I (or brain/Flash/Y2k) are tonight's NK rather than you it rather put's demonRHK right in the spotlight.

[damo666]

i'm confused. what counterclaim would who be risking under what circumstances?

when worcej unclaimed armour and claimed Nurses Kit both ND and Vecna were yet to claim so could have cc'd. Therefore I townread worcej.

[y2kjbk]

but if he lost his armor to roleblocking rdrivera, he would be pressured to retract his armor claim and claim something believable ASAP before rdrivera came forward. if worcej actually lost his armor, there's no way he stays silent. and his armor crumb was obvious while his doc crumb was obscure and not meant to be caught unless he highlighted it.

[y2kjbk]

worcej claims xorxes dying was the reason he claimed. you believe that?

[damo666]

but if he lost his armor to roleblocking rdrivera, he would be pressured to retract his armor claim and claim something believable ASAP before rdrivera came forward. if worcej actually lost his armor, there's no way he stays silent. and his armor crumb was obvious while his doc crumb was obscure and not meant to be caught unless he highlighted it.

Why wouldn't you just claim known scumdead item which you would know couldn't be countered? Why risk a potential cc?

[damo666]

worcej claims xorxes dying was the reason he claimed. you believe that?

I dunno why xorxes NK would be a catalyst

WORCEJ - can you please explain?

[y2kjbk]

Hoping the nurse kit died with bozo or chaqa or xorxes and risking a counterclaim from a clearing nurse kit would be a much better move than claiming whatever MF had.

[damo666]

Hoping the nurse kit died with bozo or chaqa or xorxes and risking a counterclaim from a clearing nurse kit would be a much better move than claiming whatever MF had.

Why not claim Thief or Foam Hammer