MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Rdr, did you crumb the card at all?

What does this mean?

What this means Elle Woods is I am trying to see if rdr hinted early on D1 he had the card and someone may have picked up on it, and white knighted for him try to draw the card

Dunno why you called me Elle Woods, I am not legally blonde.

So like a little hint that you can refer back to?

[Hamilton Brian]

Yes, precisely. Some can be quite blatant. Others can be pretty imperceptive. Even the blatant ones can slip under the radar and some people will read something that has no meaning and fill it with lots of meeting.

I’m not that smart, so one time when I was a PR I was very obvious with my crumb.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Yes, precisely. Some can be quite blatant. Others can be pretty imperceptive. Even the blatant ones can slip under the radar and some people will read something that has no meaning and fill it with lots of meeting.

I’m not that smart, so one time when I was a PR I was very obvious with my crumb.

I see. Thanks

[rdrivera2005]

Rdr, did you crumb the card at all?

No, I didn't crumb. And I chose Kak because I townread him and he was an unlikely NK.

[DemonRHK]

So here is where I am at:

Sweet defended rd by trying to deflect onto kak. I took that as a coverup, but it may have been trying to lay groundwork for cred later. Admittedly weak.

Brain null’s kak for low activity, but still I’ll pointed him out (did the same to me in the same post)


On wills end, brain townreads him, which is after Will spends most of D1 camped on him and then switches to voting WITH him at the last minute.

Will feels worse up front. He’s tunneled and playing without urgency.

Back to kak, and while this is pot meet kettle to some of you coming from me he had been very non interactive from my viewpoint. Say what you will, I have at least engaged since coming back.

Next, there was a post and it said something I could not believe. In my opinion Macca was the extremely obvious kill last night. I think spirit was offered up to send Kak deep.

My two options are those two. I care not which one, my vote and case is to keep minds open.

Also…of all the unclears, only lack and I are missing from brains N2 scum theatre from the QT skits. Freudian slip?

As for the others, rd is of course clear, MF is in my blind spot and if HB jipfired a teammate D1 he deserves to win and I have no idea how he walks sound with balls that big.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 6.3

ND (2) - ND*, Kakarroto
DemonRHK (1) - JustAGuyNamedWill
Kakarroto (1) - DemonRHK

Currently it is ND that it is.

23 hours and 49 minutes remain.

[Hamilton Brian]

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

Must be pretty lonely hanging out in the Mafia Discord all on your lonesome, eh?

[Hamilton Brian]

Day 1 and Night 1 were really pretty damned important in the overall game.

We know that there aren't going to be any apparent links or trails between mafia.

We know that there were not any final busses on the end votes.
Vote on D2 is negligible.
As was D3 because that little fucker had some spookity wookity item.
But then we have D4's vote. Ah, Day 4. Full of spit and venom...and anger at Demon. But then...take a little closer look. Don't be afraid...you can get a little closer. it won't bite...but look. What do you see. Ah...

[Hamilton Brian]

And it spills over into D5 a little bit...

Wonderful.

[Hamilton Brian]

And it kind of continues in the reactions to Macca's kill.

I read and read those several times and I couldn't help chuckling to myself. I wish I had caught it sooner.

[ND]

DemonRHK: Sure, you can make an argument that he is scum. But, I can already tell you that your argument is stupid. Why? Because, he could have used the grenade D1 for much greater chaos. Hell, he potentially could have done it D2 or 3 to greater effect and maybe have prolonged Brain’s death. Although, I’m uncertain on if this was mechanically possible. The fact that he didn’t and instead used it on himself with 25 hours left tells me he is town.

Hamilton: If Hamilton is mafia then this game is over. It’s as simple as that. For Hamilton to be mafia then he would have had to have made a Mafia MVP level play D1. What if, instead of shooting Sweet like he claimed, he shot Ghug? I think this is within the realm of remote possibilities. Ghug abruptly shifts his vote to Hamilton right before Sweet’s death on 34. There is some discussion about the shot on behalf of Ghug. Hamilton then claims to have used his item on the shot on page 36 and immediately following this Ghug is shot.

For this theory to be true then Ghug shot Sweet and Hamilton was not only able to claim that shot, but also eliminate the real shooter thus preventing any kind of counterclaim. If this is true, then it is a legendary move. Legendary.

Now, we know that Will and Spirit were both active at EOD D1. Will posted frequently. Spirit posted less frequently.

If Hamilton actually shot Sweet then either Will or Spirit had to have been the Ghug shooter.

I don’t think Will has ever said the item he had, but why would a new player shoot Ghug; a man who was townreading Will? Hell, why would Spirit have done it? We know that Brain didn’t have the gun. We know it couldn’t have been Sweet. But either Will or Spirit must have shot Ghug.

I think there is a remote chance that Hamilton is mafia. If he is then everything went right for him and the game is already over. He won’t be voted out ever.

But, ask yourself this? Don’t you find it weird that the mafia would prioritize a night kill on Macca twice? A player who barely talked and got one read correct because Brain also claimed her item?

N2 the mafia shot Darg which is a mystifying kill. Why? Why not Hamilton? Who was a near town-clear at the time?

It’s a bit odd when you look at it from a different angle. I don’t think it’s likely, but things are odd about it.

If Will isn’t mafia then we may have to consider an outlandish Hamilton (scum) possibility.

Will: I mean, what do you want me to say? He is the most likely scum candidate. I could pull any number of quotes going back 100 pages to justify this argument. I’m not going to write a 4 hour essay on it and analyze all of his contradictory, bizarre, and scum-indicative statements. You can read him yourself, but I firmly believe that my original argument is true although my initial reasons were off. Will is new scum who should have been caught D1 if most of you nitwits had voted him with me.

Kak: Kak being scum is about as unlikely as Hamilton being scum. The Darg kill is a mystifying event, but if Kak is scum and received the card N1 then why shoot Darg N2 and not Rdr? Kak would have inside knowledge that Rdr is town due to the card. Kak would know that this would come out eventually and townclear Rdr. So why not eliminate a town clear when presented with the chance? Instead, they eliminated Darg? It’s odd.

Me: I shot Vecna. Nevermind how I caught Spirit. Nevermind my case against Will. Nevermind everything else I have done.

Anyway, in sum:
-Kak/Hamilton are possible although both stretch the limits of believability
-DemonRHK being scum is also very unlikely
-I’m not mafia
-My case on Will is most likely correct.

[DemonRHK]

And it kind of continues in the reactions to Macca's kill.

I read and read those several times and I couldn't help chuckling to myself. I wish I had caught it sooner.

I think the armor claim was a smokescreen for it. No way they’d try the same shit twice right?

[DemonRHK]

Will had one saving grace, and that is not forcing us into a 4-4 game of chicken yesterday.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Will had one saving grace, and that is not forcing us into a 4-4 game of chicken yesterday.

I was confident Spirit was mafia over you after his “what if it’s Kak?” Speech

[Kakarroto]

Kak is saying something about me and Will that I don't understand.

the "Will isn't mafia or else RD would've died"?

Well I tried to hide RD in the group of people not claiming an item (something like hiding in a massive herd like some herbivores), that was at the time when damo, worcej etc. hadn't claimed yet;

then came the day where damo and worcej claimed, so people not having claimed their item were RD, Will, spirit and myself.

We now know spirit was mafia, and the chance that I would've made a crazy play as the card sender myself was pretty slim (like the possibility me actually having and holding the card to send it only on night 5 or so while making it look like I got the message early), so if Will was mafia, they would've instantly known that RD is the card sender.

So with Will being town they had like a 50/50 (with a lowkey chance of me making stuff up), which was probably not good enough for mafia.

[Hamilton Brian]

For those keeping score at home:

Brian: Axe
ND: Mask and Bag
Rivera: Card
Demon: grenade
Kak:
Will:

[DemonRHK]

I’m have really worked myself into think it is kak. Land I think the case has merit..

But that is not a discussion for today. Today needs to be a deep unclear, so ##vote justaguynamedwill

[Hamilton Brian]

It's easy to get all wound up. Town just needs to stop making circuitous conspiracy theories and think Occam.

[Hamilton Brian]

For those playing along in the netherregions,

Demon highly susses Will
ND highly susses Will
Will highly susses Demon
Kak highly susses ND

[ND]

##Vote Will