MAFIA 39 - GAME THREAD

[y2kjbk]

some people have been wondering why rdrivera was roleblocked. i have a theory that, if durga is scum, the roleblock on her was some ploy to make her look clear, and the roleblock on rdrivera was justified because it could convolute that purpose to the roleblock on durga, and they bought the ND = sticky supposition during N2. They may have just worried about the electro shield and decided it wasn't as much as a concern as trying to do something for N2 that could make Durga look good.

[damo666]

bainbomb - Hardcleared. No reasonable situation in which he is scum.

damo666 - Hardcleared. No reasonable situation in which he is scum.

(1)DemonRHK - In the pool of suspicion. No RB N1 might mean scum roleblocked their lover to be able to wait with picking a better target later. Was pretty gung-ho for Rdrivera, as I would expect a weak scum setup to be, since they cannot easily get rid of armor-wearers. Confirmed not the guy that rb'd RD if RD is town (although if scum knew the sticky is still out there, why on earth would you not have your lover do the roleblocks?)

Durga - Confirmed not the armored tank that Chaqa is. Is mean to Vecna but secretly just really admires my art.

flash2015 - Confirmed not the RB on Rdrivera unless scum did some really weird roleswaps.

ND - Could technically be the guy that RB'd Rdrivera if Squigs/MF had his claimed item. Pretty unlikely he faked a role that was on the dead townies.

(2)rdrivera2005 - The big mystery. Ghug flipping town makes it much less likely that Rdrivera is scum. Its still possible if Xorxes or Bozo was sticky, and they lost an item N1 or N2. This would make the puzzle all that much weirder though.

Yavuz - Im still having trouble coming up with a way in which he wouldve come to his claim as scum. Scum definately would not repair kit on this shield item to deduce whether it was on the three dead people. Its possible that they repair kitted the thief, and have the thief steal the shield from Xorxes. Even if this is the case, it means they wouldve needed a way to communicate what was stolen from Xorxes, and Yavuz wouldve needed to interpret that signal. Else his fakeclaim wouldve just been a lucky guess......even though it might not have been so hard knowing what was missing.

(3)worcej - Worcej claimed early enough that I do not really see how he could not just be cleared here. The story of him checking the sticky on ND also seems weird enough that I dont think this is a fakeclaim.

y2kjbk - Not buying Brainbombs theory.

1) Demon is confirmed town to me. A mafia using lovely heart on a town didn't sound logical to me. I'm sure he is town. Unless he did this to clear himself and planning to leave me for final. But Vecna's heart roleblock idea makes sense.
2) Rivera's claim still sounds like too specific for a mafia fakeclaim but worths to keep in suspect pool.
3) Worcej can be scum if he somehow knew the second nurse kit was gone. He could claim early because he knew nobody is going to cc him.

1) you think a scum with love heart would love a scummate? Danger of double hit?
3) How?

[damo666]

some people have been wondering why rdrivera was roleblocked. i have a theory that, if durga is scum, the roleblock on her was some ploy to make her look clear, and the roleblock on rdrivera was justified because it could convolute that purpose to the roleblock on durga, and they bought the ND = sticky supposition during N2. They may have just worried about the electro shield and decided it wasn't as much as a concern as trying to do something for N2 that could make Durga look good.

Durga RBd. How do you know that?

[y2kjbk]

i had initially started to suspect flash when brainbomb suggested it was highly unlikely that both cannons were town. but my logic about what town-cannon vs. what scum-cannon might do was backwards. if flash was scum and durga was town, flash would have obviously let durga shoot MF, right?

[y2kjbk]

I was roleblocked? Part of me doesn't want to claim this because it feels like I'm being trolled. But it happened.

I cannot fathom why I was roleblocked when I shot the cannon

[y2kjbk]

i may not be great at reading this game, but i'm trying

[yavuzovic]

1) you think a scum with love heart would love a scummate? Danger of double hit?
3) How?

1) Well, double hit is a high risk but keeping a town alive doesn't match with scum win conditions. Anyway your words make sense and I add DemonRHK to my list too.
3) Scum ND/Vecna/Demon/even rivera might have stolen a nurse kit here? However this doesn't match with ghug's stolen head. Maybe a gamble? You always thought my item was a gamble, can't he just guessed this? Anyway doesn't sound like logical. Right, Worcej is likely town.

[yavuzovic]

Durga clearing herself with a roleblock is also logical. Keeping her in pool is a good idea

[y2kjbk]

I don’t buy the theory that scum are stupidly throwing the RB around, wasting it N1 on someone that clearly didn’t have any working item then going for rdrivera. There was some logic to it.

[damo666]

I was roleblocked? Part of me doesn't want to claim this because it feels like I'm being trolled. But it happened.

I cannot fathom why I was roleblocked when I shot the cannon

Thanks. Sure looks wierd.

[damo666]

1) you think a scum with love heart would love a scummate? Danger of double hit?
3) How?

1) Well, double hit is a high risk but keeping a town alive doesn't match with scum win conditions. Anyway your words make sense and I add DemonRHK to my list too.
3) Scum ND/Vecna/Demon/even rivera might have stolen a nurse kit here? However this doesn't match with ghug's stolen head. Maybe a gamble? You always thought my item was a gamble, can't he just guessed this? Anyway doesn't sound like logical. Right, Worcej is likely town.

3) I think there is no room for a nurses kit in the dead pool unless rdrivera lying and worcej has armour and there's a worcej/rdr scumteam but that means they both hard bussed Squigs after MF down. Way too far fetched. Worcej as near as dammit clear.

[Durga]

i may not be great at reading this game, but i'm trying

You're really not doing a very good job. Have you considered sheeping our dead clear town? It might serve you better

[y2kjbk]

so you're gonna invoke ghug in your defense now?

[y2kjbk]

why would worcej crumb both armor and doc?

[Durga]

so you're gonna invoke ghug in your defense now?

I'm just incredibly upset that Tom, xorx and ghug are dead and I have you, brainbomb and yavuz

[y2kjbk]

yeah, sucks that two people town-reading you were lynched, huh?

[rdrivera2005]

so you're gonna invoke ghug in your defense now?

I'm just incredibly upset that Tom, xorx and ghug are dead and I have you, brainbomb and yavuz

As far as I remember you helped to lynch both Tom and Ghug.

[Vecna]

Hey scum, wifom roleblock me next for good fun

Why did you say this?

Why do you care?

[Durga]

so you're gonna invoke ghug in your defense now?

I'm just incredibly upset that Tom, xorx and ghug are dead and I have you, brainbomb and yavuz

As far as I remember you helped to lynch both Tom and Ghug.

You might want to go back and reread both end of days then

[Vecna]

GM NOTE:

Since I have been asked to clarify, the ARMOUR does protect against the NK as well as shots from a CANNON.

Remember the Armour, like other items, works only once. If someone with Armour was both shot at, and targeted by the NK, on the same night, they would still die.

Oh btw, browsing xorxes iso made me remember this: It was me that harassed jamiet to ask if my item would protect me against scumkills as well, which made him have to clarify the rule.

##town vecna for life

How does this townclear you?

It doesnt townclear me. It just shows I had a town mindset, and it should be another indicator for other people that backs up a very logical town-vecna-story. Why would a scum with armor be worried whether their armor protects them from their own nightkills? Not like scum are gonna nightkill themselves.

Read the setup from the signup thread. Armors werent originally meant to stop nightkills, but I harassed the gm's that it should, else the items are totally useless. Why on earth would scum do that? They wouldnt.