MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[ND]

I think Macca is more than justified in suspecting me. After all, I shot a member of the town openly. I've written at length about it. I'm not going to repeat myself.

So in short, if you all want me gone I am more than willing to vote myself and end vote it. If my death will give some clarity then I am fine being a sacrifice so we can bring this thing home.

Vote me out. Vote for Will. Win the game. Easy.

Well the thing is one of Demon and ND is actually mafia and is telling everyone to vote themselves to help the town. Why wouldn’t they choose the east boot in me?

If we have two miskills now, why not kill Demon, who has not proven their innocence other than a grenade play which was kinda forced if he was mafia? We could vote me, but then we have a 50-50 shot at killing either demon or ND and that’s not a chance I want to take. So I respectfully say do not vote me.

Lol. This is so obvious.

[Hamilton Brian]

HB, how many kills do we get?

Really only 1 miskill.

We go 5-1 into D6.

Miskill D6 we go to 4-1 which becomes 3-1.

Miskill D7 and we lose.

[Hamilton Brian]

All three in the pool; 4 actually since we can't categorically clear Kak 100% (it makes sense to, but then we run the risk of lazy thinking, hubris, pride, gluttony, etc).

So all 4 need to be viewed under the lens of mafia-motivation.

How do their actions and their words benefit mafia/derail town.

With two it is abundantly easy to identify two significant mafia-motivated plays.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

All three in the pool; 4 actually since we can't categorically clear Kak 100% (it makes sense to, but then we run the risk of lazy thinking, hubris, pride, gluttony, etc).

So all 4 need to be viewed under the lens of mafia-motivation.

How do their actions and their words benefit mafia/derail town.

With two it is abundantly easy to identify two significant mafia-motivated plays.

Explica mi amiguito

[Hamilton Brian]

Explica mi amiguito

Two players have acted in extremely self-motivated play; Demon obviously, ND less so.

Demon's was a naked self-preservation. Aside from the timing, it's a blatant "I'm the PR" tactic.

I do think Rivera made a good point about ND not making the detective kit. Stealing the repair kit instead of suggesting Vecna make a detective kit...but then none of us did. So ND can do a lot of explaining this away. THere's still a layer of stink to it.

And with you Will...well, I think this is a learning game for you and you've made some bumbles but not horrible. Or blatant mafia. At least that's what we want to believe.

[Hamilton Brian]

Hoping for Rivera to chime in at some point; I am wondering if he picked up on the same thing I did.

[rdrivera2005]

Hoping for Rivera to chime in at some point; I am wondering if he picked up on the same thing I did.

Probably not, as I didn't have the time to re-read. I steel feel Demon is probably the way to go, but both Will and ND ringed some alarm bells yesterday. But the way Spirit tried to buddy Will yesterday doesn't look like scum theater to me, it look like a genuine attempt to pocket Will and save his neck.

And I keep giving Kak a free pass, which is bad, but ifvhe was pocketing me he was successful.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Explica mi amiguito

Two players have acted in extremely self-motivated play; Demon obviously, ND less so.

Demon's was a naked self-preservation. Aside from the timing, it's a blatant "I'm the PR" tactic.

I do think Rivera made a good point about ND not making the detective kit. Stealing the repair kit instead of suggesting Vecna make a detective kit...but then none of us did. So ND can do a lot of explaining this away. THere's still a layer of stink to it.

And with you Will...well, I think this is a learning game for you and you've made some bumbles but not horrible. Or blatant mafia. At least that's what we want to believe.

You overestimate my ability to play mafia well. I would’ve surely been killed.

Unfortunately you are probably going to be killed because you think of me as not suspicious. So the mafia is probably going to kill you to have one less vote for me to stay.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

The mafia certainly won’t kill me, ND, or Demon. I assume they won’t kill Kak, but we never know because the mafia may kill Kak for a much safer NK (People would assume mafia wouldn’t kill Kak so nurse wouldn’t be used on Kak). The mafia will kill either Kak, Macca, or Hamilton Brian

This leaves four possible outcomes for this night. (Votes are counted by the most likely outcome of everyone’s votes)

Hamilton Brian dies:
JustAGuyNamedWill- ND, Demon
ND- Macca
Demon- rdrivera, Will, Kak

Macca dies:
JustAGuyNamedWill- ND, Demon
ND-
Demon- rdrivera, Hamilton, Will, Kak

Kak dies:
JustAGuyNamedWill- ND, Demon
ND- Macca
Demon- rdrivera, Hamilton, Will

Rdr dies:
JustAGuyNamedWill- ND, Demon
ND- Macca
Demon- Hamilton, Will, Kak

So Demon has pretty much no chance of surviving if trends keep up.

Here are why I placed my votes where they are on this chart:

KAK Page 91: If Spirit is mafia, I think Will is pretty much town since if both of them were, RD might've been tonight's target which they might've used to spearhead a miskill on me. If Spirit is town, that doesn't necessarily mean that Will is mafia, but in that case we have to dig deeper.
I think ND is behaving the most towny of the bunch, there is though a not miniscule chance he could be mafia. I think though the game should end before we come to him

WILL: I know where my vote would go

ND page 94: I don't think Demon is scum Rdr. It's Spirit + Will.

DEMON page 96: I am starting to lean Will > Spirit > Kak but if I move I am 100% [dead]

HAMILTON page 100: Two players have acted in extremely self-motivated play; Demon obviously, ND less so.
Demon's was a naked self-preservation. Aside from the timing, it's a blatant "I'm the PR" tactic.

RDR page 100: Probably not, as I didn't have the time to re-read. I steel feel Demon is probably the way to go, but both Will and ND ringed some alarm bells yesterday.

MACCA page 99: imo
ND > Will > Demon

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

The mafia certainly won’t kill me, ND, or Demon. I assume they won’t kill Kak, but we never know because the mafia may kill Kak for a much safer NK (People would assume mafia wouldn’t kill Kak so nurse wouldn’t be used on Kak). The mafia will kill either Kak, Macca, or Hamilton Brian

Forgot to add rdr to the list. Lol my bad

[Hamilton Brian]

Hoping for Rivera to chime in at some point; I am wondering if he picked up on the same thing I did.

Probably not, as I didn't have the time to re-read. I steel feel Demon is probably the way to go, but both Will and ND ringed some alarm bells yesterday. But the way Spirit tried to buddy Will yesterday doesn't look like scum theater to me, it look like a genuine attempt to pocket Will and save his neck.

And I keep giving Kak a free pass, which is bad, but ifvhe was pocketing me he was successful.

Alright, I'll get to it a littler later.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

The mafia certainly won’t kill me, ND, or Demon. I assume they won’t kill Kak, but we never know because the mafia may kill Kak for a much safer NK (People would assume mafia wouldn’t kill Kak so nurse wouldn’t be used on Kak). The mafia will kill either Kak, Macca, or Hamilton Brian

Forgot to add rdr to the list. Lol my bad

Rdr is still a factor on my chart tho (see above)

[Hamilton Brian]

In the sake of "We need some conversation around here..."

a) What's the most shocking event you've seen so far this game?

b) What's the funniest event to occur so far?

c) What was an unexpected event? Why?

d) Who do you mafia read from least to greatest?

e) What one items would you bring back if you could?

[Hamilton Brian]

The mafia certainly won’t kill me, ND, or Demon. I assume they won’t kill Kak, but we never know because the mafia may kill Kak for a much safer NK (People would assume mafia wouldn’t kill Kak so nurse wouldn’t be used on Kak). The mafia will kill either Kak, Macca, or Hamilton Brian

This leaves four possible outcomes for this night. (Votes are counted by the most likely outcome of everyone’s votes)

Hamilton Brian dies:
JustAGuyNamedWill- ND, Demon
ND- Macca
Demon- rdrivera, Will, Kak

Macca dies:
JustAGuyNamedWill- ND, Demon
ND-
Demon- rdrivera, Hamilton, Will, Kak

Kak dies:
JustAGuyNamedWill- ND, Demon
ND- Macca
Demon- rdrivera, Hamilton, Will

Rdr dies:
JustAGuyNamedWill- ND, Demon
ND- Macca
Demon- Hamilton, Will, Kak

So Demon has pretty much no chance of surviving if trends keep up.

Here are why I placed my votes where they are on this chart:

KAK Page 91: If Spirit is mafia, I think Will is pretty much town since if both of them were, RD might've been tonight's target which they might've used to spearhead a miskill on me. If Spirit is town, that doesn't necessarily mean that Will is mafia, but in that case we have to dig deeper.
I think ND is behaving the most towny of the bunch, there is though a not miniscule chance he could be mafia. I think though the game should end before we come to him

WILL: I know where my vote would go

ND page 94: I don't think Demon is scum Rdr. It's Spirit + Will.

DEMON page 96: I am starting to lean Will > Spirit > Kak but if I move I am 100% [dead]

HAMILTON page 100: Two players have acted in extremely self-motivated play; Demon obviously, ND less so.
Demon's was a naked self-preservation. Aside from the timing, it's a blatant "I'm the PR" tactic.

RDR page 100: Probably not, as I didn't have the time to re-read. I steel feel Demon is probably the way to go, but both Will and ND ringed some alarm bells yesterday.

MACCA page 99: imo
ND > Will > Demon

Nice interesting work Will; can't comment on it as I am between classes but I like what I see.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

In the sake of "We need some conversation around here..."

a) What's the most shocking event you've seen so far this game?

Shocking: ND totally giving up on me being mafia halfway through the game. Didn’t see that one coming. Maybe ghug dying. Poor ghug

b) What's the funniest event to occur so far?

Me. My presence graces all around.
Probably the state of chaos after ghug died

c) What was an unexpected event? Why?

When sweet flipped mafia. Made me feel good.

d) Who do you mafia read from least to greatest?

Macca, Ham Brian, rdr, kak, ND, Demon

e) What one items would you bring back if you could?

A detective kit

[DemonRHK]

In the sake of "We need some conversation around here..."

a) What's the most shocking event you've seen so far this game?

b) What's the funniest event to occur so far?

c) What was an unexpected event? Why?

d) Who do you mafia read from least to greatest?

e) What one items would you bring back if you could?

The first shot actually hitting scum

That I lost the detective kit in the reroll

A scumbo getting caught but having the daykill vest. Because that is the second game on this site it’s happened in the same themed game.

Fr town to scum:
Rdr and Mecca > HB > ND > Will > Kak

Nurse to force the scum into the unclear pool.

[Hamilton Brian]

Actually it would be a saving grace if we still had a nurse uniform AND the user guessed right tonight.

That would be eerily delicious.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

In the sake of "We need some conversation around here..."

a) What's the most shocking event you've seen so far this game?

b) What's the funniest event to occur so far?

c) What was an unexpected event? Why?

d) Who do you mafia read from least to greatest?

e) What one items would you bring back if you could?

The first shot actually hitting scum

That I lost the detective kit in the reroll

A scumbo getting caught but having the daykill vest. Because that is the second game on this site it’s happened in the same themed game.

Fr town to scum:
Rdr and Mecca > HB > ND > Will > Kak

Nurse to force the scum into the unclear pool.

Kak?!?! Why kak?

[Hamilton Brian]

a) I would say most shocking would be either Demon throwing the grenade or ND shooting Vecna. Both have impacted the game to certain degrees. The vote that day could have managed to work in our benefit and I don't think Demon was in as much trouble as they assumed they were. I'd been moving my vote around and wasn't sold on one unique idea. Vecna...could really use a Vecna brain about now.

b) Funniest...brain pulling brain shit. The claim, to be followed up by, "of course my item was stolen."

c) Unexpected; hmmm, there's been some odd night kills. Again though, I chalk unexpected up with shocking...grenade and Vecna. Maybe the flip of Sweet; I didn't expect the mafia flip but I was pretty happy to see it happen.

d) Kak>Will>Demon>ND

e) Oh yeah, the detective kit. To have that item in a 6-1 position would be pretty good right now.

[rdrivera2005]

Funny fact: all three known Mafia voted only toen on D1. Not a single buss.

By the way, ifcany remaining town have the power pill he should claim and use it tomorrow.

Also, tomorrow Kak and Will should claim his items.