MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Thanks for the response.

Here's a shitty thought I had while just out walking the dogs.

SO I thought, if Kak were mafia, they'd opt to kill Rivera immediately, get someone else to claim the card, and together they could ride into the final 5. But Rivera lives on, so Kak is town too.

But wait.

I am thinking, "You know, the master mafia plot would have been to get the Halloween Card N1 or whenever it's sent, proceed to NK the sender, then have a mafia hold out long enough to whittle the player pool then claim it for cred."

Tell me that's not what has happened. Goddamned game is filling my leisure hours!

I am not going to lie, as soon as rdr claimed a similar thought crossed my mind, but I dropped it when I read the card was town only. Unfortunately I think the connection and the story makes sense but Kak ain’t clear by a fuggin mile. He’s all but pocketed rdr regardless of alignment.

I am starting to lean Will > Spirit > Kak but if I move I am 100% fead

Why me lol.

I didnt do anything wrong

[DemonRHK]

I don’t line your D1. And the last vote on Bona with a heavy scumread was godawful

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I don’t line your D1. And the last vote on Bona with a heavy scumread was godawful

We ALL voted bona basically. And I didnt like your day 1. But is day 1 a true telling of roles or are their actions.

[DemonRHK]

6 out of 14 players is everyone?

And I like D1s. It’s all raw, naked info.

[ND]

@Will

The bracket contains everyone who isn’t a town clear. That means, the bracket contains the scum team whether that is one or two individuals. Unless, you are arguing that someone outside the bracket should be considered and if so then give your case. DemonRHK isn’t clear, but I don’t think he is mafia. I have identified how a scum Demon could have used his item in much better ways and remained anonymous. That’s my read on him.

I didn’t say I forgot it ‘exists’ I said that I didn’t consider it. Brain was known scum and I could have taken that shot, but I opted to take a gamble on Vecna. I thought I had the game figured out. I thought that if Vecna was alive then it was near guaranteed he was scum. After all, why would the mafia leave someone alive who was openly claiming to have the gun? Brain’s entire play D1-D2 was to prolong his death and deprive the town of information. Someone (me) could have shot him and that would have undone his play. We would have killed mafia and then could have our D3 vote on another scum candidate. I thought wrongly that Vecna was trying to draw the thief out by pushing to end the night early. Hence the reason why I didn’t end vote because I needed to post my case right before the stated deadline in case scum Vecna actually figured out I was the thief and eliminated me. I thought my information could help you all catch him in the event I died N2. I was wrong.

When Vecna was still alive I shot him instead of taking the shot on Brain. I went with my gut and again wrong. I thought there was no way they would leave him alive and reasoned that we would get two mafia kills D3 (Vecna/Brain). Instead I shot town Vecna and we were forced to vote Brain D3 thus allowing him to succeed in his gamble. They outsmarted me.

If I was mafia in this game and I stole Vecna’s repair kit N1 then I would have argued that the N2 kill needed to be Vecna. He had claimed the repair kit at the end of N1 and I now had the item. N2, I would have told my team that it had to be Vecna and that would have been the kill instead of this bizarre Darg kill. I never would have written a massive post like I did N2 and instead I would have simply shot a town clear at the start of D3 anonymously.

[rdrivera2005]

What night did you send the card Rivera?

N1. There is a possible world where I and Kak just made all this, including my coded message. But in this case why I am shaking the boat? If I were scum I would just coast and get Spirit killed and then anyone between the unclear. It's almost the same tinfoil level as thinking you might be scum who shot a scum partner to get town credit.

Anyway, I can see Kak being scum play along with the message, but his reactions and the fact I am alive point to town.

[DemonRHK]

What night did you send the card Rivera?

N1. There is a possible world where I and Kak just made all this, including my coded message. But in this case why I am shaking the boat? If I were scum I would just coast and get Spirit killed and then anyone between the unclear. It's almost the same tinfoil level as thinking you might be scum who shot a scum partner to get town credit.

Anyway, I can see Kak being scum play along with the message, but his reactions and the fact I am alive point to town.

If you and Kak end up in final 3, please reconsider.

[TheMadMonarch]

I'm seeing more and more reasons to be suspicious of ND, but I think Spirit should go first.

[rdrivera2005]

You've been doubting me since D3 @Rdr. If you think I'm scum then just vote me.

I am doubting everyone that is not clear, this is what town should do. I am reading Will next and even Kak if I have time.

By the way, I don't vote you because I don't think you are the right choice today. I think Demon is. I have a wild theory that if we have two scum they should be probably bussing each other or at least one bussing, to detach and survive when one of them flips. On this theory, Demon and you is an unlikely pair.

[rdrivera2005]

@ND - Please tell me how you see Demon using his grenade better as scum, because I can't see from my tunnel, lol. Remember he already had five votes and the grenade also eliminate the vote of the one throwing it.

[ND]

I'll answer you tomorrow Rdr. I'm getting tired here.

##VOTE SPIRIT

I am willing to self vote if needed if that will provide our clears with clarity. Just let me know. Anyway, night.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

My reads are

1. Spirit
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2. Demon
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3. ND
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4. Kak if logic doesn’t work

[Hamilton Brian]

Was hoping Kak would have chimed in here over the Austrian hours.

This is that shitty time where we're all just sitting across the table from one another, giving out the stink-eye left and right.

[ND]

@ND - Please tell me how you see Demon using his grenade better as scum, because I can't see from my tunnel, lol. Remember he already had five votes and the grenade also eliminate the vote of the one throwing it.

If I was scum with the grenade I would have used it d1 within the last hour. I'm on my phone and not looking at the bot vote data, but I probably could of eliminated at least a third of the voters and done so anonymously. Just pick the biggest wagon with the most voters. Plus that move now casts doubt on the wagon candidate for the rest of the game. D2 and 3, there may have been an opportunity to use it and to eliminate almost everyone although I'm not looking at the data rn. Not sure.

But certainly, that item could have been deployed more effectively d1 and anonymously. Instead, he uses it with 28 hours left in the day and claims it lol? If he is scum then he has 28 hours for everyone else not on the wagon to now vote him, makes himself an instant scum candidate, and provides a huge window of time for people remaining to vote him. Why? Seems like a big risk just wait until an hour is left and the wagon is consolidated or people have mentally checked out and use it. Now, you almost assuredly die the next day but you prolong your death.

I read it as town Demon wanting to give the town time to discuss alternatives because he knows that the wagon is a mistake. Thus he uses the item with a huge portion of the day remaining.

[DemonRHK]

Full transparency, I just wanted to hit as many mofos as possible lol. But I wasn’t gonna toss in the last 6 hours ever

[rdrivera2005]

@ND - Please tell me how you see Demon using his grenade better as scum, because I can't see from my tunnel, lol. Remember he already had five votes and the grenade also eliminate the vote of the one throwing it.

If I was scum with the grenade I would have used it d1 within the last hour. I'm on my phone and not looking at the bot vote data, but I probably could of eliminated at least a third of the voters and done so anonymously. Just pick the biggest wagon with the most voters. Plus that move now casts doubt on the wagon candidate for the rest of the game. D2 and 3, there may have been an opportunity to use it and to eliminate almost everyone although I'm not looking at the data rn. Not sure.

But certainly, that item could have been deployed more effectively d1 and anonymously. Instead, he uses it with 28 hours left in the day and claims it lol? If he is scum then he has 28 hours for everyone else not on the wagon to now vote him, makes himself an instant scum candidate, and provides a huge window of time for people remaining to vote him. Why? Seems like a big risk just wait until an hour is left and the wagon is consolidated or people have mentally checked out and use it. Now, you almost assuredly die the next day but you prolong your death.

I read it as town Demon wanting to give the town time to discuss alternatives because he knows that the wagon is a mistake. Thus he uses the item with a huge portion of the day remaining.

I understand your point, but using D1 has some drawbacks (he needs to be on the wagon to use it anonymously). And if the main wagon is town and some scum is a possible counter wagon it could backfire pretty badly.

Yesterday I don't see any big risk for scum using the grenade the way he did (and he needed to claim unless he self vote) if his partner kept the vote. Considering he left 3 not clear and a missing clear with votes, it could have been a great move to protect him and his partner.

Anyway, with both Macca and HB set on Spirit I think it's decided.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Yeah I’m pretty set on Spirit as well. I really don’t trust Demon but Spirit really is too suspicious for his own good.

[Hamilton Brian]

I don't know if Spirit is feeling as though there's nothing left to say and their fate is decided or... yeah, I don't know.

I think we've had some decent conversation and rattled the cages of stuff but...nothing conclusive.

[Hamilton Brian]

Yeah I’m pretty set on Spirit as well. I really don’t trust Demon but Spirit really is too suspicious for his own good.

Any chance you're going to vote anytime soon?

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I don't know if Spirit is feeling as though there's nothing left to say and their fate is decided or... yeah, I don't know.

I think we've had some decent conversation and rattled the cages of stuff but...nothing conclusive.

Yeah I feel like I've laid out good reasons for why I did what I did as town. I tried to get you all to listen but you won't, several of you just ignored what I said and never actually engaged with it (you and ND specifically). What do you want me to do?

Also anytime I go more than 10hrs without posting you feel the need to mention it, but for no one else. You got scum read on day one because of it and you quit for a bit but now its back. Idk why I'm special to you in this regard.