MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[SpiritoftheRadio]

yes, math is for scum, ND, way to go. I assume you used a), b), and c) because 1), 2), and 3) would have involved counting and have been a scum tell.

[rdrivera2005]

This is a bad spot. We only have miskill and we can’t no kill.

I really…REALLY…hate to say this, but me suicide hammering may be the best play today.

I’m like…80% it’s spirit. But if we are wrong there is no way I live through the next day with rdr and Kak baying for my blood.

Respect the dead for now.
##Vote spirit

If this becomes a stalemate, which it looks may be wholly possible as Will is very anti me as well, I’ll move to myself

Demon, if you are really town give some reads. I can't remember you giving any other read then that I am scum. Even now, you are voting Spirit but you didn't said why he is more suspect then ND or Will for example.

[rdrivera2005]

And I am getting the sense that there's only the one mafia remaining.

Spirit, want to just concede?

Uh no, I will not be conceding. I am not mafia, and killing me is a bad move. I keep reiterating my argument, which makes complete sense for a towny to do. It literally is the best play mathematically. Idk if you and ND refuse to read it or what but like, I have laid it all out there. Quit saying it doesnt need futher discussion, you havent even discussed how it was a totally reasonable play. Like, you can scum read me if you want but this whole posturing like what I did isnt reasonable is fucking stupid. I will not be conceding, go fish

Nothing you did yesterday was reasonable. It was about as anti-town as you can get. You know this too. You keep saying you want to discuss. Wtf do you want us to discuss? How you killed a town clear? It wasn't reasonable at all.

Worcej wasn't a town clear at all. This is weird for you to say ND. Obviously it would need a gamble for a scum to claim the shield and that's why Worcej was a bad choice.
Spirit failing to acknowledge this and you calling Worcej a town clear is really weird.

[ND]

Yeah calling someone clear for having a town specific item and not being countered is weird /sarcasm. I find your nitpick weird rdr.

[Hamilton Brian]

I'm just getting up and around but I think it all comes down to a timeline of events. I don't recall how it all transpired on D4 but if this were a criminal case, I'd be focusing on that.

I'll look later this morning.

[DemonRHK]

Demon, if you are really town give some reads. I can't remember you giving any other read then that I am scum. Even now, you are voting Spirit but you didn't said why he is more suspect then ND or Will for example.

Bro up here saying give Ted Bundy a chance. Naked vote on an unCCed town. If he really had the item, spirit claims it, not after a whole night to confer with a scumbuddy. Reels of an escape the roper play.

Spirit, Kak, Will, ND is my preferred order. Non zero chance I am in NDs pocket admittedly.

[Hamilton Brian]

Day 4 at 22:43 left in the phase; Worcej asserts that the item is not verifiable.

Day 4 at 06:56 left in the phase, Worcej hardclaims the shield.

Shield voted with 03:06 left to go. The vote also was found at the conclusion of a post which was somewhat lengthy. I'd say maybe the vote could have been missed by a careless quick reader. I don't think that's suggestive and the bot is the friend in this case.

Then the rest of the time was worcej and spirit sparring back and forth.

In the end I think the result is clear. The subsequent arguments made from spirit seem like the ones made to justify the decision. How do I say this... there's premeditated and then rationale to fit the decision versus involuntary with the recognition of the result.

I think we have a clear guilty.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 5.0

SpiritoftheRadio (4) - ND*, Hamilton Brian, Macca573, DemonRHK
DemonRHK (3) - Rdrivera2005, Kakarroto, SpiritoftheRadio

Currently SpiritoftheRadio is set to be ejected.

33 hours and 26 minutes remain.

[Hamilton Brian]

I am confident that we can end today.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I have to decide..

Of course

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I have to decide..

Of course

Just woke up to this shitshow.

I believe that Demon is mafia over Spirit. But a tie does nothing.

I am sorry Spirit

##VOTE SPIRIT

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##UNVOTE

Big decisions

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I don’t really think there’s much I can really do to prove my innocence that I haven’t already. I just feel like I can’t contribute much exept for a 100% gurantee that I will vote Demon

Yes, Demon should pay. The boat kind of passed for ND although we shouldn't have let it.

Spirit, I think you've started off well but it just seems like your reads have been manufactured to NOT reflect the actual results. I don't know. My gut is telling me no good.

Sorry Will, thought that was Spirit that had written that post.

Of the 5 people in consideration, excluding yourself, who is town and who is mafia?

Spirit and Spirit are really my only mafia reads

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

At this point Spirit is essentially caught and he knows it. If the game doesn't end we have to start considering who his potential partner could be.

I guess it comes down to Will, Demon, myself, and Kak.

We have town clears in Hamilton, Macca, Rdrivera.

-Rdr as the card sender, Hamilton as the man who shot Sweet, Macca as the detective.

-I don't think DemonRHK is scum. There were better plays for the grenade and he did it with over a day left although the use of the grenade did really hurt. It gave Spirit his opening to knock off a townclear. That being said idk how Demon could have foreseen that happening. So, I am still not scumreading him.

-If kak was mafia then he would have probably tried to kill the card sender Rdr although I am still unsure on when the card was sent so someone will need to point me to when that was mentioned. So he probably isn't scum.

-I'm not scum.

-So that leaves Will as Spirit's partner if Spirit has a partner.

This assumes you are actually town. Demon is still super suspicious.

I am REALLY hoping Spirit is mafia because if they aren’t im going to die next day.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I think you guys are reading too much into me. I feel like if Spirit ends up being village, we HAVE to go for Demon. Just because Demon saved himself from getting eliminated doesn’t mean that he is village. I just think Demon was tryna save his own ass and made a bad play with grenade that just got lucky.

Honestly I am not a big mafia read for most of you, but through process of elimination that leaves me, Spirit, and Demon as the mafia (most likely). But since you guys are reading too much into Demon’s grenade play and thinking that it was a genius village move, I am now screwed through process of elimination.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I think you guys are reading too much into me. I feel like if Spirit ends up being village, we HAVE to go for Demon. Just because Demon saved himself from getting eliminated doesn’t mean that he is village. I just think Demon was tryna save his own ass and made a bad play with grenade that just got lucky.

Honestly I am not a big mafia read for most of you, but through process of elimination that leaves me, Spirit, and Demon as the mafia (most likely). But since you guys are reading too much into Demon’s grenade play and thinking that it was a genius village move, I am now screwed through process of elimination.

Town*

Lol when I played mafia with buddies we call it village.

[DemonRHK]

Of course I was trying to save my own ass. You were all going to kill me on no case for low activity in a game that outside of day 1 had had not much to reflect on.

I mean, look at Kak and rdr snap voting me. They’re going to hatefuck me to the grave and spirit is going to vote to self save. You are the o ly person I can try to sell another wagon to. If you end up making your mind up on me, I will need to move to clear the road because a tie here is miles worse than a miskill for town because NKs are not going to affect the unclears.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

AA why can’t anything be easy…

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

So essentailly if I vote spirit Spirit then dies.

If I vote Demon then Demon self kills and Demon dies.

Basically I have to decide.

Here are my reads for now

Demon: Demon has not been helpful AT ALL until recently. His computer breaking down could be genuine, and I don’t believe he is lying about it. But this also means that he would have minimal interaction with his mafia counterparts (if he was mafia) which would explain some moves made by the mafia that were not in the best interest of Demon. His grenade seems really dumb. Why didn’t he say: “I am going to use my grenade at 16 minutes left, you guys need to reevaluate your scum reads and vote someone else”..? Extremely suspicious but it this one move really enough to warrant a kill?

Spirit: Spirit was nice to me. I noted this immediately as someone pointed out to me that I should pay attention to who is being overly nice to me. Spirit may have been pocketing me. It may have worked for a little bit, and I was adverse to voting him one or two days ago, but things have changed. For one, voting worcej was a terrible move. I claim responsibility for also trying to vote worcej, but unlike me, even after worcej claimed an only town item, Spirit persisted. Very suspicious. Spirit has done very little in terms of helping the town, but unlike Demon, he has no alibi.

Right now I am basically 50/50 with them. I will think about this for a little bit before I cast my vote. If yall change your votes that’s fine, but just know that I will vote with majority in that case because (obviously) most of us are town.

[rdrivera2005]

Yeah calling someone clear for having a town specific item and not being countered is weird /sarcasm. I find your nitpick weird rdr.

I think I will need to draw it.

Worcej was under pressure and claiming a town only item could be a way to escape as there is at least three dead town that we don't know the item (plus an item is absent). Considering that at the time there was probably only two or three town (depending on who is scum) with not claimed itens, it's a 50/50 gamble for scum to claim the shield. And if it works, it will probably give the claimant a pass until the end.

And I am saying this not to save Spirit, which I find scummy on his own merits but for people to be aware with anyone claiming the other nurse (unless there is another save obviously).