MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[rdrivera2005]

VOTE COUNT 4.9

Worcej (2) - Macca, SpiritoftheRadio
Kak (1) - Worcej
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - ND

Worcej is set to be eliminated.

If you are really wanting to kill Worcej you need 3 votes on him.

I think Will or Demon are the best choices.

Is this the words of a mafia knowing that those 3 names (worcej, will, demon) are all town so the vote doesn't really matter OR town with a strong gut for will or demon?

It´s a town that thinks Worcej was the worst choice yesteday. It was impossible to have ND or Spirit killed because of Macca vote on Worcej. Considering they both have a vote, they can just vote Worcej and force a tie. This is exactly the reason why Spitir was the main responsible Worcej is dead.
So, the only alternatives to Worcej, where Will or Demon (well, there was also Kak, but I think he is town).

[rdrivera2005]

Just to confirm, EON is 2 hours and 43 minutes fron now?

[Jamiet99uk]

Just to confirm, EON is 2 hours and 43 minutes fron now?

Yes, that was correct as per your timestamp.

It's now 2hrs 32mins.

[damo666]

Macca announced being saved so the saving Nurse must be alive so why would I as scum claim nurse and risk a counter? I saved my own kill? I'm scum with Macca? Ridiculous.

Spirit is scum and trying to spread doubt.

Can we exist in a world where 2 nurses exist, but neither knows the identify of the other, so...mafia could claim nurse with little pushback? I guess comes down to the massclaim if there will be one.

Just something I saw that caught me while reading Rivera.

The fact Macca was saved implies a nurse in play. Why would Mafia claim and risk a cc?

[Hamilton Brian]

Macca says they were saved. I believe it; I think it's safe to say it is universally believed.

But we can have someone (mafia) claim to have been the nurse. There's 2 nurses, neither of whom knows the identify of the other. A mafia could claim nurse and evade a cc UNTIL a massclaim.

Would they do it? Maybe to get towncred.

I am not sure if you misunderstood what I meant or if I just didn't communicate clearly.

It's all speculative shit anyway that I have rolling around in my head during idel time.

[damo666]

Macca says they were saved. I believe it; I think it's safe to say it is universally believed.

But we can have someone (mafia) claim to have been the nurse. There's 2 nurses, neither of whom knows the identify of the other. A mafia could claim nurse and evade a cc UNTIL a massclaim.

Would they do it? Maybe to get towncred.

I am not sure if you misunderstood what I meant or if I just didn't communicate clearly.

It's all speculative shit anyway that I have rolling around in my head during idel time.

I assure that had a mafia claimed I would have immediately countered as would I think most so I can't see scum doing it. I don't really see why you're going down this route. What's the number of nurses got to do with it? If 2 they are both town by definition, I don't see how this would make a scum claim any more or less likely. The only way scum would fake claim would be near EOD if they were lead wagon.

[Hamilton Brian]

Just the stupid shit I think about sometimes. Like I said, just speculations.

And waiting as the clock ticks down.

[Hamilton Brian]

Current assessment. I synthesized Damo's list but leaned in to the read without the card as a factor. So caveat emptor and read their list yourself. I just wanted to get this into one post that we could refer to.

Damo:
Demon: town
Will: town
Kak:town
ND: town
Rivera: town
Spirit: mafia

Brian
Demon: town
Will:mafia
Kak:mafia
ND:town
Rivera: town
Spirit: mafia

[Hamilton Brian]

I don’t really think there’s much I can really do to prove my innocence that I haven’t already. I just feel like I can’t contribute much exept for a 100% gurantee that I will vote Demon

Yes, Demon should pay. The boat kind of passed for ND although we shouldn't have let it.

Spirit, I think you've started off well but it just seems like your reads have been manufactured to NOT reflect the actual results. I don't know. My gut is telling me no good.

Sorry Will, thought that was Spirit that had written that post.

Of the 5 people in consideration, excluding yourself, who is town and who is mafia?

[rdrivera2005]

Well, considering this night it´s the fist time I fear I might be the NK, let´s give some reads.

Damo, HB and Macca - I thinkwe should accept this three as clears and if somehow one of them us fooling so be it.

So, this put Demon, ND, Kak, Spirit and Will as the possible scums.

Demon - Scum. There is no justification to use the grenade the way he did, he just didn´t want to die and is tunelling me all game withou any reason. He didn´t gave any reads at all most of the game and doesn´t seems even interested on what is happening on the game. Scum, plain scum and we should kill him tomorrow no matter what.

Spirit - Last day was really scummy for Spirit. Not acknoleding Worcej had less chance to be scum and the overall reaction point to Spirit being Demon partner. In fact, having his partner as one of the 4 players with a vote practically ensures scum can force a misskil and this is another reason I think Demon is scum.

I decide to hard claim in the middle of this text. I am the card sender. The message I sent to Kak is: "Please post that BHiwar sent you a Greetings Card". I chose Kak because I townread him and he was really unlikely to be the NK. And if he didn´t post my message until the end of the day I was ready to claim and push him, but he told he got a message so I decided to give him some time. His reactions looks really townie. The code is simple Br is my country and Hiwa is the initial lettter of each sentence of my first post on this game (this was thought to also prove I had the card since start). So Br + Hiwa, to avoid being that obvious BHiwar.

ND - Hip-firing Vecna is the scummiest play from ND, but his overall game have been towm. Another possible Demon partner, as kept his vote too, so I would kill ND before Kak or Will. By the way, have I told you that Demon is scum?

Will - Looks a lot like newbie town, but I am not giving a total free pass. His reaction to Demon granade is weird as ND alreay pointed. Have I told you we need to flip Demon tomorrow. My mains reason to not want to kill Will is he will vote Demon.

Kak - The biggest argument to town Kak is that I am still alive. If scumteam knows I am the card sender they could have shot me instead of Dargo or Macca and have someone to claim sender instead of me. So, the only way Kak is scum is if I die tonight, in this case look at him.

[Kakarroto]

Another night ends and I hope tomorrow will be a better day.

Currently I can't say too much or else the whole shabang would be for naught.

Clearly I still think that RHK has a great potential for being mafia. The timing doesn't clear him and he has done nothing but trying to save his sorry hide.

As for others, I'm happy to share my thoughts if the card sender reveals. I think I have a better grasp of the game than at the start, but who knows.

My reads usually get better and better until I get the solution before the end. I mean, ok, sure, it gets easier to guess with fewer options, but normally it's information that makes my read get good. But there were a few games in a row when I solved it, I just lost because others didn't listen to me.

This far into the game, I should have a pretty good understanding of the game, I think I could still be prone to mistakes though, so that's that.

Certainly it's easier with the information I have about the card sender. It doesn't give me a full solution of the situation though.

Eventually however, I think we will be in a position where we win.

That however will need the investment of everyone. I know time can be an issue for some (and it seems the vote wouldn't have changed anyway) but voting worcej out was suboptimal, to say the least.

Of course I know that the volume goes down over time, but compared to day one, it's kinda frightening that there are so few posts.

Recently, I feel, it got better, but I hope we can increase our investment for the game in an adequate manner. We all need to give it a bit of a shove and I'm sure together we can make it happen.

Perhaps I'm a bit hypocritic by saying all that, but I hope you believe me that I'm just trying to do my best. If the card sender chooses to reveal, I'm very happy to share my thoughts about the game.

Lastly, I want to say, that I want to live, but if push comes to shove, I'll shield a guaranteed town clear with my body.

Like don't get me wrong, I'd be happy it it doesn't come to that. I think I know who is mafia, though we still could only have one left or I might be just wrong so I'm not a hundred percent on that. But it should be fine.

I just hope you will understand when the time comes.

[Jamiet99uk]

NIGHT HAS ENDED
PLEASE HOLD

[Jamiet99uk]

Night 4 RESULT:

Old Man Jeffrey had hoped the slime would be the last straw.

What was this latest mess?

Damo666 has died, he was the TEXAS INSTRUMENTS 83 PLUS GRAPHIC CALCULATOR, the Nice Toy.

DAY HAS BEGUN, YOU MAY POST

[SpiritoftheRadio]

So I have the skeleton armor

I was trying the whole game to protect item info and trying to elicit a nk on myself. Town was doing some fully bad plays with asking for a mass claim at times and/or outing info or making it easier for mafia unnecessarily. I called it out every time. I did 100% believe worecj was full of it and false claiming.

24hrs ago I was pretty sure this claim would help me, but after thinking it over in the night and seeing folks reactions, I'm not confident it will make a difference anymore. The whole game I have been trying to bait a nk or at least survive long enough to make it to end game with my power because it makes it really inconvenient for scum if I can be trusted near the end of the game. I still think killing worcej was the right play, even if you all just want to focus on him being a claimer, like mafia can lie dudes, that is the game. It was a better play for him to lie as mafia there than anything else, I felt it at the time and have verified it mathematically after the fact. I think it was objectively the right decision.

Anyway, ND is mad scummy, killed a townie, and wanted to tie it yesterday. My bet is him being scum and I would like to kill him. ##vote ND

[rdrivera2005]

RIP Damo.

##vote Demon

[Kakarroto]

Thank you RD, I can confirm I received a card from you.

With this, I hope you all understand why RHK is looking so bad to me, I think he is (one of) the remaining mafia.

Other than that, Spirit has sprung up very high on my mafia radar with what happened yesterday, I just couldn't write it before in case he isn't mafia.

If Spirit is mafia, I think Will is pretty much town since if both of them were, RD might've been tonight's target which they might've used to spearhead a miskill on me. If Spirit is town, that doesn't necessarily mean that Will is mafia, but in that case we have to dig deeper.

I think ND is behaving the most towny of the bunch, there is though a not miniscule chance he could be mafia. I think though the game should end before we come to him

Brian is quasi clear, as I said there is a chance he could've axed sweet as mafia, but I don't think he's of that character type.

With damo flipping town, Macca is now a 100% confirmed town. I'll never vote her in this game, the same as RD, which I know being confirmed town. I mean, if you want to confirm him for you too, you'd need to flip me, but I hope you trust me enough not to do this.

So I think today we should go for either RHK or Spirit, personally I want to vote RHK but Spirit might be the better choice, we might clear Will with that.

But for now let me indulge in ##vote DemonRHK for his actions

[TheMadMonarch]

I'm open to Demon or Spirit today, but I think I'll take my guidance from HB.

[ND]

##vote Spirit

[ND]

Yeah, Spirit is scum.

Also, I really doubt DemonRHK is mafia. Spirit is the clear scum candidate for today. He killed a town clear yesterday.

[ND]

I don't know what else needs to be said.