MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

if you tie this you're dead

SCUM

Hope so worcej, hope so.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I really dont understand why townies keep doing straight bad for town plays. i am so empty

This next day is gunna be rough. I stand by the choice

The man had claimed a town item unCCed

claiming items this late when several items are gone forever and are unknown doesnt really move me. Scum would do this to ride until the end on some luck. Mafia are going to have to try that stuff at this point because there are so many soft clears. I stand by it. I was wrong of course, but I also think him claiming that was a net negative for town even if he was a town player.

His arguments at the end didnt make any sense, there are several items that are likely left and worth trying to get a miskill for. I genuinely dont get that guy, like, I understand why this looks really really bad for me, but also he was blatantly making no sense.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

So just end vote him tomorrow. Shame worcej had to go he was obviously town

I will claim tomorrow, wait until I do before you decide to end.

I dont really know how to think about ND post-him faking his will tunneling and then shooting a townie in the face. I initially read him as genuinely frustrated at his town kill. However, I also think ND's vote on me was really silly and only really served to try and make me claim. And now him pushing to end on me seems really scummy. I deserve some time to talk.

[DemonRHK]

I really dont understand why townies keep doing straight bad for town plays. i am so empty

This next day is gunna be rough. I stand by the choice

The man had claimed a town item unCCed

claiming items this late when several items are gone forever and are unknown doesnt really move me. Scum would do this to ride until the end on some luck. Mafia are going to have to try that stuff at this point because there are so many soft clears. I stand by it. I was wrong of course, but I also think him claiming that was a net negative for town even if he was a town player.

His arguments at the end didnt make any sense, there are several items that are likely left and worth trying to get a miskill for. I genuinely dont get that guy, like, I understand why this looks really really bad for me, but also he was blatantly making no sense.

So you are comfortable voting unCCd PRs in a semi-open setup?

[SpiritoftheRadio]

also the "oh ga oh gee, i can tie it if you want guys" at the end was crazy

[damo666]

also the "oh ga oh gee, i can tie it if you want guys" at the end was crazy

I would have preferred a tie to a miskill

[rdrivera2005]

also the "oh ga oh gee, i can tie it if you want guys" at the end was crazy

I would have preferred a tie to a miskill

This makes no sense. A no-kill was the worst outcome as we didn't sort Worcej and lose a miskill anyway. Even Worcej agreed witn this.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

The man had claimed a town item unCCed

claiming items this late when several items are gone forever and are unknown doesnt really move me. Scum would do this to ride until the end on some luck. Mafia are going to have to try that stuff at this point because there are so many soft clears. I stand by it. I was wrong of course, but I also think him claiming that was a net negative for town even if he was a town player.

His arguments at the end didnt make any sense, there are several items that are likely left and worth trying to get a miskill for. I genuinely dont get that guy, like, I understand why this looks really really bad for me, but also he was blatantly making no sense.

So you are comfortable voting unCCd PRs in a semi-open setup?

when many unknown items are gone (5 potential town ones by my count, the natural one, ghug, bona, bozo and darg plus one mafia item with sweet) and with the number of soft clears we have and the reduced item pool due to so many claims already happening, I could definitely see a mafia play to chance claiming a clear making item so they can make it easily into the endgame pool. It isnt hard to believe when you think about the number of soft clears we have that they need to work through with nks and if we have mafia not in that soft clear pool already. Realistically, it was the only way worcej was not getting killed in the next few nights, I thought it was a little too good to be true that he had a get out of daykill item right when it started to become feasible to get away with lying about it. If he really thought he was going to die as mafia, he had nothing to lose and everything to gain and if he messed up and got CCed, the electroshield being outed is a small boost for other mafia anyway.

I dont think it is good to just believe any alignment based item claims coming out this late. Maybe the letter because it came out a while ago but honestly even that is suspect at this point.

[damo666]

also the "oh ga oh gee, i can tie it if you want guys" at the end was crazy

I would have preferred a tie to a miskill

This makes no sense. A no-kill was the worst outcome as we didn't sort Worcej and lose a miskill anyway. Even Worcej agreed witn this.

I'd agree if worcej wasn't an uncc'd quasi-PR.

[damo666]

claiming items this late when several items are gone forever and are unknown doesnt really move me. Scum would do this to ride until the end on some luck. Mafia are going to have to try that stuff at this point because there are so many soft clears. I stand by it. I was wrong of course, but I also think him claiming that was a net negative for town even if he was a town player.

His arguments at the end didnt make any sense, there are several items that are likely left and worth trying to get a miskill for. I genuinely dont get that guy, like, I understand why this looks really really bad for me, but also he was blatantly making no sense.

So you are comfortable voting unCCd PRs in a semi-open setup?

when many unknown items are gone (5 potential town ones by my count, the natural one, ghug, bona, bozo and darg plus one mafia item with sweet) and with the number of soft clears we have and the reduced item pool due to so many claims already happening, I could definitely see a mafia play to chance claiming a clear making item so they can make it easily into the endgame pool. It isnt hard to believe when you think about the number of soft clears we have that they need to work through with nks and if we have mafia not in that soft clear pool already. Realistically, it was the only way worcej was not getting killed in the next few nights, I thought it was a little too good to be true that he had a get out of daykill item right when it started to become feasible to get away with lying about it. If he really thought he was going to die as mafia, he had nothing to lose and everything to gain and if he messed up and got CCed, the electroshield being outed is a small boost for other mafia anyway.

I dont think it is good to just believe any alignment based item claims coming out this late. Maybe the letter because it came out a while ago but honestly even that is suspect at this point.

Only the recipient has claimed and that's NAI.

[TheMadMonarch]

claiming items this late when several items are gone forever and are unknown doesnt really move me. Scum would do this to ride until the end on some luck. Mafia are going to have to try that stuff at this point because there are so many soft clears. I stand by it. I was wrong of course, but I also think him claiming that was a net negative for town even if he was a town player.

His arguments at the end didnt make any sense, there are several items that are likely left and worth trying to get a miskill for. I genuinely dont get that guy, like, I understand why this looks really really bad for me, but also he was blatantly making no sense.

So you are comfortable voting unCCd PRs in a semi-open setup?

when many unknown items are gone (5 potential town ones by my count, the natural one, ghug, bona, bozo and darg plus one mafia item with sweet) and with the number of soft clears we have and the reduced item pool due to so many claims already happening, I could definitely see a mafia play to chance claiming a clear making item so they can make it easily into the endgame pool. It isnt hard to believe when you think about the number of soft clears we have that they need to work through with nks and if we have mafia not in that soft clear pool already. Realistically, it was the only way worcej was not getting killed in the next few nights, I thought it was a little too good to be true that he had a get out of daykill item right when it started to become feasible to get away with lying about it. If he really thought he was going to die as mafia, he had nothing to lose and everything to gain and if he messed up and got CCed, the electroshield being outed is a small boost for other mafia anyway.

I dont think it is good to just believe any alignment based item claims coming out this late. Maybe the letter because it came out a while ago but honestly even that is suspect at this point.

I actually like what Spirit is saying here. Sure TownWorcej would act this because is could be true. But this shows excellently why ScumWorcej would have too.

Yes, worcej is town now, but I don't know if we should nail Spirit so hard for it.

[TheMadMonarch]

Sorry guys, but even if I was awake, there is no guarantee I'd have changed my vote.

[ND]

I mean Worcej was claiming a TOWN ONLY item and no one was countering him. So, yeah saving him was something I was willing to do even if it meant a tie. He told me not too so I didn't do it.

[ND]

And Spirit you have all night to talk so fucking talk.

[ND]

Sorry guys, but even if I was awake, there is no guarantee I'd have changed my vote.

WHY HE HAD A TOWN ONLY ITEM AND THERE WAS NO COUNTER?

[TheMadMonarch]

I mean Worcej was claiming a TOWN ONLY item and no one was countering him. So, yeah saving him was something I was willing to do even if it meant a tie. He told me not too so I didn't do it.

Thing is, there are 2 of those, so a cc wouldn't have meant anything.

[ND]

also the "oh ga oh gee, i can tie it if you want guys" at the end was crazy

I would have preferred a tie to a miskill

This makes no sense. A no-kill was the worst outcome as we didn't sort Worcej and lose a miskill anyway. Even Worcej agreed witn this.

Well, it's why I didn't tie it because he said not to do it. But, when you have someone with a town power item and they are uncountered then it's stupid to let them die. For what? Now we have one less clear because you literal freaking bozos voted him.

Spirit is 100% scum. He came in hot towards the end of day. All of his posts were casting doubt on other people and sat there and watched a town clear die.

[ND]

I wish I still had my gun so I could shoot Spirit rn.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

And Spirit you have all night to talk so fucking talk.

I am, I have been giving my side and will continue if people have questions.

[damo666]

I mean Worcej was claiming a TOWN ONLY item and no one was countering him. So, yeah saving him was something I was willing to do even if it meant a tie. He told me not too so I didn't do it.

Thing is, there are 2 of those, so a cc wouldn't have meant anything.

NO! he claimed Shiels of which there is but one. Only Armour and Nurse are duplicated (potentially, at least one is).