MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Im not quoting your wall of text, but

@SpiritoftheRadio

The greetings card is a town only item.

[rdrivera2005]

Players:
damo666
DemonRHK
Hamilton Brian
JustAGuyNamedWill
Kakarroto
Macca573
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

Pool:
JustAGuyNamedWill
Kakarroto
DemonRHK
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

Is anyone else meant to be out? (Other than unknown cardholder?)

From there I think the real pool is this:
JustAGuyNamedWill
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

I thought the 'ScumDemon would not have done that" post was good, and I didn't understand the rebuttal.
We can only trust Kak's reveal of the cardholder if we trust Kak. Therefore, he's functionally clear for now.

Of these, I think worcej feels the go? Based on what I'm hearing? Happy to trust others today given their lack of ability to outvote me and my wrong reads.

Scum Demon would do exactly what he did (same as town Demon probably). He can't use the grenade later because it will be almost a confession.

I still think Demon is the best choice for today.

[rdrivera2005]

Players:
damo666
DemonRHK
Hamilton Brian
JustAGuyNamedWill
Kakarroto
Macca573
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

Pool:
JustAGuyNamedWill
Kakarroto
DemonRHK
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

Is anyone else meant to be out? (Other than unknown cardholder?)

From there I think the real pool is this:
JustAGuyNamedWill
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

I thought the 'ScumDemon would not have done that" post was good, and I didn't understand the rebuttal.
We can only trust Kak's reveal of the cardholder if we trust Kak. Therefore, he's functionally clear for now.

Of these, I think worcej feels the go? Based on what I'm hearing? Happy to trust others today given their lack of ability to outvote me and my wrong reads.

I don't think you should rule out Kak yet, he could be scum who hasn't decoded message and put it out there to get help.

Kak knows who sent the card, so he doesn't need to decode anything.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Im not quoting your wall of text, but

@SpiritoftheRadio

The greetings card is a town only item.

yes and? Greeting card holder could have died or it could have been left out of the set up and mafia can claim it to get cleared. It is risky but could happen. No one claimed it or having it sent to them for several days after all.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I also completely spaced on demon in my previous posts, part of the reason is I have no read on him. I find his grenade use mostly non-alignment indicative, just doing it for self-preservation/claim potential. Kind of necessary since it narrows the pool of unclaimed items but I get why town would do it. I dont think he has ever done anything good for town, but mafia has a lot better use for the slime grenade and probably could have couched him into better use or better play than he currently is exhibiting. I would be okay killing him, but also he is just a big pile of meh alignment wise.

[damo666]

I've been thinking about this for a while and I just keep thinking about posting a list of reads and then am getting bothered by seeing rdr, ND, and kak saying more town-indicative things. Worcej also voted brain and sweet immediately, which could be a scum move, but normally I would find more towny, but the pool isnt spawning me any strong insights, and that is rare for me given the number of people we still have. I do think we're at the point where the pool of pseudo clears needs to start being reexamined tomorrow. My gut says one of them at least is scum (cough cough damo)

Macca announced being saved so the saving Nurse must be alive so why would I as scum claim nurse and risk a counter? I saved my own kill? I'm scum with Macca? Ridiculous.

Spirit is scum and trying to spread doubt.

[rdrivera2005]

I've been thinking about this for a while and I just keep thinking about posting a list of reads and then am getting bothered by seeing rdr, ND, and kak saying more town-indicative things. Worcej also voted brain and sweet immediately, which could be a scum move, but normally I would find more towny, but the pool isnt spawning me any strong insights, and that is rare for me given the number of people we still have. I do think we're at the point where the pool of pseudo clears needs to start being reexamined tomorrow. My gut says one of them at least is scum (cough cough damo)

Macca announced being saved so the saving Nurse must be alive so why would I as scum claim nurse and risk a counter? I saved my own kill? I'm scum with Macca? Ridiculous.

Spirit is scum and trying to spread doubt.

I am starting to agree with you Damo. The posts about you and Macca and the post about Kak looks like a scum who need to have viable miskills.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I didnt catch that macca had said she was saved, nor did I think people were notified when they're saved at all. In most versions of mafia they are not. You may not be scum damo, but youre the most anti-town towny I've ever played with. I will give up on my tunnel on you though

[rdrivera2005]

Im not quoting your wall of text, but

@SpiritoftheRadio

The greetings card is a town only item.

yes and? Greeting card holder could have died or it could have been left out of the set up and mafia can claim it to get cleared. It is risky but could happen. No one claimed it or having it sent to them for several days after all.

Receiving the card and telling it doesn't clear Kak because if he didn't do this the card sender will claim and get him killed. But Mafia going for a Macca kill instead of the card sender show that scum probably don't know who the card sender is and this makes me believe Kak is town.

[rdrivera2005]

I didnt catch that macca had said she was saved, nor did I think people were notified when they're saved at all. In most versions of mafia they are not. You may not be scum damo, but youre the most anti-town towny I've ever played with. I will give up on my tunnel on you though

Humm, you have a point, this mechanics is mostly a webdip thing.

[rdrivera2005]

I am thinking that if we flip Demon and he is scum then we just flip Will and it's game over. We probably should target one of this two today.

Worcej either was lucky to not get a counter or is town, so a poorest choice.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 4.9

Worcej (2) - Macca, SpiritoftheRadio
Kak (1) - Worcej
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - ND

Worcej is set to be eliminated.

[rdrivera2005]

VOTE COUNT 4.9

Worcej (2) - Macca, SpiritoftheRadio
Kak (1) - Worcej
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - ND

Worcej is set to be eliminated.

If you are really wanting to kill Worcej you need 3 votes on him.

I think Will or Demon are the best choices.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I am now realizing I missed reading the page where Worecj claimed when I read this morning. the unclaimed item pool gets thinner and thinner needlessly. And worecj had a great reason to not claim.

I'd be willing to vote for demon if folks want to shift, but I am happy with either death. I dont want to kill will

[SpiritoftheRadio]

VOTE COUNT 4.9

Worcej (2) - Macca, SpiritoftheRadio
Kak (1) - Worcej
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - ND

Worcej is set to be eliminated.

If you are really wanting to kill Worcej you need 3 votes on him.

I think Will or Demon are the best choices.

Wait, is there a reason 3 votes are necessary? or are you just talking about to be certain/avoid ties?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Im not quoting your wall of text, but

@SpiritoftheRadio

The greetings card is a town only item.

yes and? Greeting card holder could have died or it could have been left out of the set up and mafia can claim it to get cleared. It is risky but could happen. No one claimed it or having it sent to them for several days after all.

I see. I thought you meant that a mafia had the card and used it. My bad.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

VOTE COUNT 4.9

Worcej (2) - Macca, SpiritoftheRadio
Kak (1) - Worcej
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - ND

Worcej is set to be eliminated.

If you are really wanting to kill Worcej you need 3 votes on him.

I think Will or Demon are the best choices.

I think Demon should go, maybe worcej, and after doing some review 10% chance it may be SpiritoftheRadio

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

VOTE COUNT 4.9

Worcej (2) - Macca, SpiritoftheRadio
Kak (1) - Worcej
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - ND

Worcej is set to be eliminated.

If you are really wanting to kill Worcej you need 3 votes on him.

I think Will or Demon are the best choices.

I think Demon should go, maybe worcej, and after doing some review 10% chance it may be SpiritoftheRadio

I don’t believe Spirit is the mafia. But you never know.

[DemonRHK]

I still think we run rdr up here. Hell I thought it over and would even go first to sell it.

[ND]

##vote spirit