MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[ND]

##vote Will

Explain. Now.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

wait did he slip. Is it over?

No I’m just a dumbass who didn’t clarify

[ND]

If I go out because Demon used his stupid grenade that I was worried about last day I am actually going to laugh my ass off.

Why didn’t I jsut wait until EoD to vote…

Wait?? How were you worried about Demon's grenade yesterday?????????????????????????????

Remember when I said “brain might use a grenade” and I said I’d wait until EoD to vote? Then didn’t because of the endvotes.

Just thought it’d be ironic.

No. That is not what you just said. You literally just said, "If I go out because Demon used his stupid grenade that I was worried about last day I am going to laugh my ass off."

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Wait?? How were you worried about Demon's grenade yesterday?????????????????????????????

Remember when I said “brain might use a grenade” and I said I’d wait until EoD to vote? Then didn’t because of the endvotes.

Just thought it’d be ironic.

No. That is not what you just said. You literally just said, "If I go out because Demon used his stupid grenade that I was worried about last day I am going to laugh my ass off."

Yes. I was worried Brain would’ve used his grenade last day. I dunno why my worry about a grenade didn’t carry over to this day.

[ND]

I see. You were saying you were worried about Brain having a grenade a few days back. Ok.

[ND]

##unvote

Unvoting for now. Still thinking.

Why am I the one who always has to make tough choices. Fuck.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 4.8

Worcej (1) - Macca
Kak (1) - Worcej

Unvoted: SpiritoftheRadio
Not voted yet: ND

A little under 4 hours left.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I'll ##vote Demon as the only non-poster

Non posting is detrimental to the good toys. If a day 1 vote MUST happen, then i may vote demon later

Unless further information comes out or something new arises:

##VOTE DEMON

##VOTE Sweetandcool

I could have vote for any of darg, sweet, or hamilton. I have very light opinions on each of them, and honestly my vote could swing on a dime.

##VOTE Brainbomb

Their posts are sus

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Non posting is detrimental to the good toys. If a day 1 vote MUST happen, then i may vote demon later

Unless further information comes out or something new arises:

##VOTE DEMON

##VOTE Sweetandcool

I could have vote for any of darg, sweet, or hamilton. I have very light opinions on each of them, and honestly my vote could swing on a dime.

##VOTE Brainbomb

Their posts are sus

All of these were day 1, before I would have any time to concoct this master genius plan.

[damo666]

Who can vote?

Macca, ND, Spirit, and myself

@Macca @ND & @worcej

I think you should vote Spirit unless you townread him, in which case vote Kak, if you townread Kak as well then vote Demon, if you townread him as well I'm lost.

Whatever, please be OL at EOD if poss, a tie is very possible.

[ND]

So @Will

1. Why do you assume Demon is scum?

2. Your vote on Sweet which you love to bring up is based on what? You literally say, "honestly my vote could swing on a dime."

3. And your vote Brain.. its because his, "his posts are sus"

Like wtf kind of reasoning is this?

[ND]

I'll try to be on EOD but no promises.

[ND]

@Kak and Spirit

I'll give you both an hour to explain why you aren't scum to me.

[ND]

@Will

Answer me. WHY do YOU assume Demon is scum?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

So @Will

1. Why do you assume Demon is scum?

2. Your vote on Sweet which you love to bring up is based on what? You literally say, "honestly my vote could swing on a dime."

3. And your vote Brain.. its because his, "his posts are sus"

Like wtf kind of reasoning is this?

I admit my reasoning for Sweet is flimsy. But it was because I had three scumreads at that point: HB, Sweet and darg. I put sweet as my hold vote. But if I was mafia, why wouldn’t I just do darg or HB?

I assume Demon is mafia because of his non participation UNTIL he got in hot water. All of a sudden he is way more active. I just don’t believe it was an accident.

Also “his posts are sus” is just a summary on how I feel on them. Brain seemed to be throwing a bunch of useless factoids out there and wasn’t contributing much.

As I have shown contribution is key

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

So @Will

1. Why do you assume Demon is scum?

2. Your vote on Sweet which you love to bring up is based on what? You literally say, "honestly my vote could swing on a dime."

3. And your vote Brain.. its because his, "his posts are sus"

Like wtf kind of reasoning is this?

I admit my reasoning for Sweet is flimsy. But it was because I had three scumreads at that point: HB, Sweet and darg. I put sweet as my hold vote. But if I was mafia, why wouldn’t I just do darg or HB?

I assume Demon is mafia because of his non participation UNTIL he got in hot water. All of a sudden he is way more active. I just don’t believe it was an accident.

Also “his posts are sus” is just a summary on how I feel on them. Brain seemed to be throwing a bunch of useless factoids out there and wasn’t contributing much.

As I have shown contribution is key

Even assuming Demon isn’t mafia, my two other points still stand.

[ND]

So @Will

1. Why do you assume Demon is scum?

2. Your vote on Sweet which you love to bring up is based on what? You literally say, "honestly my vote could swing on a dime."

3. And your vote Brain.. its because his, "his posts are sus"

Like wtf kind of reasoning is this?

I admit my reasoning for Sweet is flimsy. But it was because I had three scumreads at that point: HB, Sweet and darg. I put sweet as my hold vote. But if I was mafia, why wouldn’t I just do darg or HB?

I assume Demon is mafia because of his non participation UNTIL he got in hot water. All of a sudden he is way more active. I just don’t believe it was an accident.

Also “his posts are sus” is just a summary on how I feel on them. Brain seemed to be throwing a bunch of useless factoids out there and wasn’t contributing much.

As I have shown contribution is key

1. I mean, this is so stupid and obvious does it even warrant an answer? By voting Sweet you gain 'town cred' something you are attempting to cash in on right now by saying, "OH GEE GUYS I VOTED FOR HIM HE WAS THE BAD MAN SEE I VOTED HIM"

2. Participation/Contribution is a useless metric.

3. Okay about Brainbomb, I don't know. It's still a fairly baseless reason, but you were right if you are town.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

@ND Well, I've been hunting the whole game and have laid out my logic pretty clearly. I think I have made a lot of contributions to town socially. I havent been doing anything harmful to town (unlike some people), and have been wrong an awful lot in some high effort ways that I probably would be unlikely to do if I knew who was scum this whole time. There is no hard evidence either way for me besides pushing sweet a lot day 1 but voting for bonta because he was an asshat and refused to answer a simple question that could help me hunt. I did vote zealously for brainbomb, but then everyone did. I am still holding off on item claiming for the moment.

I feel like kak also did a lot of high-effort posting and his posting a card claim for someone else elevates him about the group of people I want to kill right now. The main way I see kak as scum is if the letter giver is also scum, but we will see how that swings when it does.

The thing is, at this point I am almost certain one of our "town clears" are false and we're being pushed into a situation where we are going to end up all claiming our items and getting no scum out of doing it because enough of them are dead and unclaimed where mafia has a good chance to get away with claiming 1-2 items safely. I feel in my bones damo is still scum, and tbh even if he is truthful his power is used and there are 2 nurses anyway so he is a scum hedging his bets with the claim, but I know none of you wanna follow me down that path. It is also foreseeable that Ham and Macca could be as well, although unlikely and almost certainly not both. More likely ham than macca.

Out of the "safe" kills, we have rdr, worcej, and ND. Out of those choices, I feel the strongest about worcej being least helpful to town socially, and Will and Macca are, to me, the least likely mafia left in the game, and so I feel comfortable that this wagon isnt being scum led. ##Vote Worcej

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I've been thinking about this for a while and I just keep thinking about posting a list of reads and then am getting bothered by seeing rdr, ND, and kak saying more town-indicative things. Worcej also voted brain and sweet immediately, which could be a scum move, but normally I would find more towny, but the pool isnt spawning me any strong insights, and that is rare for me given the number of people we still have. I do think we're at the point where the pool of pseudo clears needs to start being reexamined tomorrow. My gut says one of them at least is scum (cough cough damo)

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

So @Will

1. Why do you assume Demon is scum?

2. Your vote on Sweet which you love to bring up is based on what? You literally say, "honestly my vote could swing on a dime."

3. And your vote Brain.. its because his, "his posts are sus"

Like wtf kind of reasoning is this?

I admit my reasoning for Sweet is flimsy. But it was because I had three scumreads at that point: HB, Sweet and darg. I put sweet as my hold vote. But if I was mafia, why wouldn’t I just do darg or HB?

I assume Demon is mafia because of his non participation UNTIL he got in hot water. All of a sudden he is way more active. I just don’t believe it was an accident.

Also “his posts are sus” is just a summary on how I feel on them. Brain seemed to be throwing a bunch of useless factoids out there and wasn’t contributing much.

As I have shown contribution is key

1. I mean, this is so stupid and obvious does it even warrant an answer? By voting Sweet you gain 'town cred' something you are attempting to cash in on right now by saying, "OH GEE GUYS I VOTED FOR HIM HE WAS THE BAD MAN SEE I VOTED HIM"

2. Participation/Contribution is a useless metric.

3. Okay about Brainbomb, I don't know. It's still a fairly baseless reason, but you were right if you are town.

Point 1: If I was mafia i just would’ve played into my newbie town status. I guess I kind of didn’t realize “town cred” was a thing. I mean it makes sense. Still got a lot to learn. But do I need THAT much town cred to vote two of my members off?

2. If you don’t participate you are a burden and a detriment to the town’s win. This is not a valid point for you to make.

3. Ok