MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

I assume worcej is bike or shield.

Don't shout at me Spirit, he said it.

[rdrivera2005]

If one of DemonRHK worcej or Spirit has the greetings card you should claim now.

I know this implies I don't. I don't.

I don't think it's time for a massclaim yet, so don't start it. You are higher on my list because of that item list at night.

Why is that a big deal to you?

Because he started to speculate about the itens at night, instead of wanting the day. But it was not a big deal, otherwise I would be voting him. And now it's pointless as he is uncced.

[damo666]

@Kak wouldn't be autowin since the 2 maf could have armour and skull or 2 armour or skull/armour and Pill.

[damo666]

I don't think it's time for a massclaim yet, so don't start it. You are higher on my list because of that item list at night.

Why is that a big deal to you?

Because he started to speculate about the itens at night, instead of wanting the day. But it was not a big deal, otherwise I would be voting him. And now it's pointless as he is uncced.

For the umpteenth time I was not speculating merely putting out there what was already known. Subsequently I declared a) I didn't have card and b) I am Nurse and also detailed what worcej wierdly made public.

[rdrivera2005]

so DemonRHK throws the grenade to clear his wagon. Then claims it.

Critical Thinking time.

Town Demon throws the slime ball and clears his wagon with around 20ish hours left in the day. Claims it and does it because he wants the town to look elsewhere obviously because the town is making a mistake.

Scum Demon throws the slime ball and clears his wagon with around 20ish hours left in the day. Claims it because he needs to survive, but there are still multiple people that could vote for him. Why not wait until an hour before deadline when, potentially, the wagon is larger thus eliminating more votes. Alternatively, why even hold the item until D4 as scum? Hypothetically, Demon could have used it on D2 or D3 when Brainbomb was unanimously getting voted/end voted. Now I would have to look at the numbers, but it may have been possible to have caught almost everyone D2 with the slime. This could have prolonged Brain's death and each day that his death is prolonged that's a win for mafia. Keeps the town apathetic and without information.

if he waited longer, he would just look like caught mafia and he himself said that mafia plays much more self conscious so I'm pretty sure he knew beforehand.

As for D2 and D3, those were very short days since both were hammered within two hours, it's very much possible he would've just missed an opportunity to use it.

Another possibility, why doesn't scum Demon throw the grenade day 1 at Bona thus tieing the vote 2-2 between rdr and darg. This prevents any hard information from being gained D1, really any hard analysis, and keeps everyone in the dark.

Of course, I could be over thinking this.

that's true, but what if he thought there was a better use for the slime bomb and he wanted to wait for input of his team? Also, there's no way he could've predicted how day two and three would've worked out.

This is why I think Kak is town. This is exactly how I feel about Demon. If he waited to close to EOD he will be obviously scum. And denying town a regular again isn't a town move.

[Kakarroto]

If one of DemonRHK worcej or Spirit has the greetings card you should claim now.

I know this implies I don't. I don't.

]FWIW, I can say my item is not verifiable.

why are you making my life so much harder -__-

In the situation with so few voters and doubt being put on my townstatus and being fearful of a scum manipulated end vote I hereby

HARDCLAIM NURSE WHO SAVED MACCA

ok, damo had a good reason, so I will not harpy at you about the decreasing of the card sender pool, but worcej, that was just bad.

Anyway, that means that either damo and macca are towncleared, OR both are the last two mafia. If we flip anyone other as mafia, they are both 100% clear.

Also, this means we now have practically four townclears, with ten remaining players, this means, as far as I understand it, with one more clear we get an autowin, right? @everyone am I correct with this one or is there any mistake I'm making?

When you say 4 townclears are you including the unknown card holder?

I mean Brian, macca, you damo and the card holder with that right now.

[rdrivera2005]

@Kak wouldn't be autowin since the 2 maf could have armour and skull or 2 armour or skull/armour and Pill.

Not only this but with 5 clear and 5 not it isn't a sure win if there are two Mafia. If we miskill 3 times and Mafia kill 3 clears we are down to 2-2 which I'd a Mafia win.

So, we have 2 miskills left, barring any item thing. And Brain had the skull and Armour doesn't protect against day kill. The pill could be a problem. If a town have it he should probably claim it before KILO.

[damo666]

Yeah I think Demon is a good kill and he is almost guaranteed not to have skull/armour.

worcej and Spirit would be next on my list (either order).

However if Demon flips town I'd be taking a long look at rdr.

[damo666]

@Kak wouldn't be autowin since the 2 maf could have armour and skull or 2 armour or skull/armour and Pill.

Not only this but with 5 clear and 5 not it isn't a sure win if there are two Mafia. If we miskill 3 times and Mafia kill 3 clears we are down to 2-2 which I'd a Mafia win.

So, we have 2 miskills left, barring any item thing. And Brain had the skull and Armour doesn't protect against day kill. The pill could be a problem. If a town have it he should probably claim it before KILO.

Where does it say Armour doesn't protect against daykill? I assume this is why you are saying brain had the skull. (brain had the skull ho ho)

Armour says it protects against 'one killing attempt'. Surely this includes dk hence brain could have had armour not skull. Am I missing something?

[Kakarroto]

@Kak wouldn't be autowin since the 2 maf could have armour and skull or 2 armour or skull/armour and Pill.

well the skull was used and there is no second, we even know the repair was used. And the armour doesn't count for votes, jamie did state that before. As for the pill, that just means one have two votes instead of one ...

I don't see how that would influence a situation with 5 known towns and 5 uncertains if we have the vote that could just make the situation 5 known towns and 4 uncertains?

4-4 in the night, 4-3 next day, 3-3 in the night, 3-2 the ... last day ...

ok, I was too excited, hiding is still the best idea.

Welp, now I'm even more mad at RHK for stealing another day of info.

[Kakarroto]

@Kak wouldn't be autowin since the 2 maf could have armour and skull or 2 armour or skull/armour and Pill.

Not only this but with 5 clear and 5 not it isn't a sure win if there are two Mafia. If we miskill 3 times and Mafia kill 3 clears we are down to 2-2 which I'd a Mafia win.

So, we have 2 miskills left, barring any item thing. And Brain had the skull and Armour doesn't protect against day kill. The pill could be a problem. If a town have it he should probably claim it before KILO.

Where does it say Armour doesn't protect against daykill? I assume this is why you are saying brain had the skull. (brain had the skull ho ho)

Armour says it protects against 'one killing attempt'. Surely this includes dk hence brain could have had armour not skull. Am I missing something?

someone asked that question before and jamie cleared it up at some point. I think it was somewhen at night two or maybe night three?

see it like the armour being a bulletproof vest, which also doesn't protect against dayvotes.

[Kakarroto]

##CALL GM
Does that armor item protect against votes? Or just against death-causing actions?

The spoopy skellington armour? It does not protect against votes.

ah, here it is, page 57 the very last comment

[damo666]

##CALL GM
Does that armor item protect against votes? Or just against death-causing actions?

The spoopy skellington armour? It does not protect against votes.

ah, here it is, page 57 the very last comment

Ah Ok. We are in a much stronger position then.

[TheMadMonarch]

In the situation with so few voters and doubt being put on my townstatus and being fearful of a scum manipulated end vote I hereby

HARDCLAIM NURSE WHO SAVED MACCA

Thank you!

[TheMadMonarch]

@Kak wouldn't be autowin since the 2 maf could have armour and skull or 2 armour or skull/armour and Pill.

Can't have skull?? Brain did?

Also, armour doesn't block daykills? This was already confirmed?

We should only be afraid of the pill?

[TheMadMonarch]

Players:
damo666
DemonRHK
Hamilton Brian
JustAGuyNamedWill
Kakarroto
Macca573
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

Pool:
JustAGuyNamedWill
Kakarroto
DemonRHK
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

Is anyone else meant to be out? (Other than unknown cardholder?)

From there I think the real pool is this:
JustAGuyNamedWill
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

I thought the 'ScumDemon would not have done that" post was good, and I didn't understand the rebuttal.
We can only trust Kak's reveal of the cardholder if we trust Kak. Therefore, he's functionally clear for now.

Of these, I think worcej feels the go? Based on what I'm hearing? Happy to trust others today given their lack of ability to outvote me and my wrong reads.

[TheMadMonarch]

##VOTE worcej
for now.

If I hear better before I sleep, I'm open to change.

[damo666]

@Kak wouldn't be autowin since the 2 maf could have armour and skull or 2 armour or skull/armour and Pill.

Can't have skull?? Brain did?

Also, armour doesn't block daykills? This was already confirmed?

We should only be afraid of the pill?

Yeah, this was subsequently discussed

[damo666]

Players:
damo666
DemonRHK
Hamilton Brian
JustAGuyNamedWill
Kakarroto
Macca573
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

Pool:
JustAGuyNamedWill
Kakarroto
DemonRHK
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

Is anyone else meant to be out? (Other than unknown cardholder?)

From there I think the real pool is this:
JustAGuyNamedWill
ND
rdrivera2005
SpiritoftheRadio
worcej

I thought the 'ScumDemon would not have done that" post was good, and I didn't understand the rebuttal.
We can only trust Kak's reveal of the cardholder if we trust Kak. Therefore, he's functionally clear for now.

Of these, I think worcej feels the go? Based on what I'm hearing? Happy to trust others today given their lack of ability to outvote me and my wrong reads.

I don't think you should rule out Kak yet, he could be scum who hasn't decoded message and put it out there to get help.

[Hamilton Brian]

I think the grenade more or less townclears Demon so scum pool now Spirit rdr Kak worcej and to a much h lesser extent Will and ND.

Why do you think it clears them? Just catching up this morning so let me see if I have this right.

Mafia Demon would toss it at the point where votes on them had consolidated to a kill as close to EOD as possible? Forces a miskill?

Town Damo...? I don't know, I guess it's a as random a move as throwing an axe at someone.