MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I have discovered a new thing about myself which is that when you come into the game and instantly town read me, I immediately think your scum and have to work against that instinct to actually evaluate people. I think this is due to a lingering sense of self hated instilled in me by academia. I plan to explore this in therapy.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Here are some deeper reads for you all before end of night *kisses*

brainbomb - scum, we kill, he die

damo666 - slight scum. His play has been bothering me from the beginning because he was just slapping votes on people and creating noise. And has said such wonderous statements as "I drew scum before the reroll, tad disappointed, I prefer being scum." which you could say as town, but like man, that gives me weird vibes. The more concrete things I see is his vote on bona came in right when that wagon came to compete with brain's wagon on day 1. He says he did it to protect a town only item claim, but then moves immediately onto ND to see if that'll work after bozo suggests it and says he will move anywhere to save brain to bozo. I get this could be him trying to save a town-only item claim, but in retrospect, he jumped around and tried harder than anyone besides maybe HB.

dargorygel - lean town, his "tell" on brain was very scummy sounding at the beginning, but given how things with brain have shaken out, I kind of feel like even an experienced mafia wouldn't operate like that against a fellow mafia. It could be an elaborate trick, and darg seems capable of such an act, but if I was a brainbomb and got done dirty like that, I'd be pissed. We see a mostly joyous BB in chat rn. I dont buy his stories about mafia wanting him dead, if this were true, he'd want darg dead. I don't think scum does that to scum logically unless this metagame has devolved to the point where fucking over your scum buddy for minor town clout is now an expert play.

DemonRHK - Null, but a decent lynch target all the same. Hasn't engaged due to computer problems, hopped on rdr before it became a wagon day one, was happy to go along with obvious brain kill day 2. That is all we have. Do something pls. I think there is a chance he could be disengaged scum but really I have no idea, town could lose him and lose little at this point though.

Hamilton Brian + Macca - Town until late game, but then we need to reevaluate. So I want to bring up some stuff that might get me scum read by some, but is objectively true. Neither of these two are true town clears, and there is a logical reason for both to be mafia (though maybe probabilistically unlikely).

HB could have been mafia with sweet. They were top wagons, and Hb could have believed that shooting sweet would town clear himself and lose one mafia member that was likely already going to be lost anyway (essentially sacrificing a gun for town clear status, a good trade logically for mafia).

Macca claimed detective kit after brain did and fairly early on day 2. However, it isnt implausible that mafia used this as a gambit to gain one of them as a town clear. I think macca was decently widely scum read prior to her reveal, and they could have looked at this as a way to permaclear her. I find it strange she used the detective kit on brainbomb since her counter claim would have been enough to get him immediately lynched on its own and we could have gotten another mafia or another town clear if she'd have chosen a different target (this is probably the most powerful item in the set up after all). As town, I dont think her choice here makes any sense, if she found out brain was town, she and him would probably be scum read more than town read, and in the case where she found a scum BB, the same result would happen if she had just counter claimed him. This could be chalked up to new player not knowing how to optimize the play (and I think people have said Macca is new), but the presence of BB on the mafia team along with a new player and their ability to talk together N1 leads me to believe he could have orchestrated this play in the mafia QT.

I don't think either of them should be killed right now, but I do think they need to be looked at with great skepticism in the late game. Please do not forget this if I die, too many people are assuming they're clear. They are NOT.

JustAGuyNamedWill - Town. Still a strong town read for me. Way too at ease with himself for a newb being tunneled as intensely as he is. Says way too many newbie town ideas that are actually bad play for his own good. I see the temptation to kill him for this, but he is the plutonic ideal of new townie. You just don't get this kind of thing very often, a true marvel of social deduction science.

Kakarroto - slight scum. I feel like his posts are kind of larpy and just give me weird vibes. Hard to find things in particular to point out, this is mostly on vibes but the leading folks towards voting end and the handling of that stuck me as off.

ND - null. So ND is tunnelling massively and keeps calling people town clear when they arent. I was town reading him for most of the game because townies often tunnel a lot but I also think at a certain point you have to realize that and give it up when you actually dont know anything. Staying on one person the whole game that you know you wont get any real traction with isnt the worst way to hide as mafia, and I dont really know what ND does as scum, so I am leaning null but my read is getting progressively scummy since he keeps doing really odd things like painting me as scum for having a productive convo with bozo with whom he was tunneling before he flipped. Just a lot of odd behavior.

rdrivera2005 + vecna - slight scum (team?), so rdr said almost nothing and I was pretty skeptical of his wagon on day 1 near the end. He had a genuine seeming reasponse to it, and after all it was a dumb wagon then. I do think several of the things he has said during the night ping me as off. I'm not really seeing why he pushes darg day 1 other than to counter his own wagon. He jumps off vecna's post about killing ND after brain and says it is a good idea with neither of them saying why and then vecna coming back and saying that rdr is ALSO a good scum candidate is odd. There is also vecna defending rdr once "It would be pretty uncharacteristic for Rdr to hard-protect his teammate at this early stage as well." which I assume was in reference to rdr town reading me, kak and macca. Idk I get strange low effort scum vibes from these two. I am interested to see what vecna does with his shot here, and I don't want to move on him at all until we see how that turns out, but I don't hate these two as a scum team since that interactions was pretty odd. None of rdr's reads have been particularly helpful or insightful, seems to have reasoning he isnt telling and that always strikes me as scummy until proven otherwise.

worcej - null, maybe scum? He as done so little but bulleyed a couple of mafia (sweet and brain) in pretty short time. Normally I would town read that but like, it almost seems a little too lucky? I don't know about this guy, his votes on sweet and brain were both their 2nd votes at the beginnings of their wagons. This could be bussing or it is dumb luck, I'm guessing. Maybe Worcej is really good at pegging people as scum but also from his posts idk if he has even been reading all the posts and my read is he is just reading a few and firing from the hip. Even he seems impressed with himself. Idk, I wanna see more posts and what he does as mafia lose more and bussing becomes less appealing as a strategy.

I practically agree with every single point you made here. But I would make the chance that I think darg is null. I have done some more research today and have lowered his scum chance down a bit. Other than that I LOVE this post.

[rdrivera2005]

@Spirit - Won't quote your wall of text, but will clarify a point about me.
Vecna comment: "It would be pretty uncharacteristic for Rdr to hard-protect his teammate at this early stage as well." is a reference to a pretty where I said I dislike the wagon on Sweet and suspected his components pushing Dargo.

I was obviously wrong but what Vecna meant is that I am known to buss hard or just ignoreo instead of openly defending a teammate. Don't think it's a great argument to townread me as I can change my meta, but I think it's NAI for Vecna to say that (and I think someone talked about this before but I am too lazy to look after).

[SpiritoftheRadio]

@Spirit - Won't quote your wall of text, but will clarify a point about me.
Vecna comment: "It would be pretty uncharacteristic for Rdr to hard-protect his teammate at this early stage as well." is a reference to a pretty where I said I dislike the wagon on Sweet and suspected his components pushing Dargo.

I was obviously wrong but what Vecna meant is that I am known to buss hard or just ignoreo instead of openly defending a teammate. Don't think it's a great argument to townread me as I can change my meta, but I think it's NAI for Vecna to say that (and I think someone talked about this before but I am too lazy to look after).

i see, sorry I must have gotten lost in the sauce of making my post before EoN there. I am mostly wanting to see what vecna does with the gun and evaluating him after that but in reading you I say some interesting overlap there, and thought it was worth pointing out in case I can't tomorrow. but I did misread the intent of Vecnas post there.

[brainbomb]

Oh also I was roleblocked last night.

[Hamilton Brian]

yall probably shouldve hunted today and actually played. as bad as my team is we may win because you wasted the day. kinda nice actually

There was hunting. Well, maybe not the way you are thinking, but it happened. It should all become pretty clear for D3.

Brain is practicing the 90-10 rule, and even with his 10, it's still 90-10.

[Hamilton Brian]

Well, well, well...look at you all gathered here.

[TheMadMonarch]

good point, macca maybe read the pm wrong

Just double checked

Your target is an EVIL TOY

[Kakarroto]

VOTE COUNT 1.0

Vecna (1) - Ghug
Ghug (1) - Sweetandcool
Brainbomb (1) - Macca

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VOTE COUNT 1.1

brainbomb (1) - Macca573
Kakarroto (1) - Bonatogether
sweetandcool (1) - ghug
ND (1) - ND
Vecna (1) - dargorygel
worcej (1) - damo666

Unvoted (1) sweetandcool

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VOTE COUNT 1.2

brainbomb (1) - Macca573
Kakarroto (1) - Bonatogether
sweetandcool (1) - ghug
Vecna (1) - dargorygel
worcej (1) - damo666
Justaguynamedwill (1) - ND

Unvoted (1) sweetandcool

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VOTE COUNT 1.3

sweetandcool (2) - dargorygel, worcej
Hamilton Brian (2) - sweetandcool, Bonatogether
dargorygel (2) - brainbomb, Kakarroto
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - ND
DemonRHK (1) - damo666
Bonatogether (1) - SpiritoftheRadio
worcej (1) - ghug
ghug (1) - Macca573

Unvoted: JustAGuyNamedWill

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VOTE COUNT 1.5

Sweetandcool (3) - dargorygel, worcej, JustaguynamedWill
Dargorygel (3) - brainbomb, Kakarroto, Damo666
Hamilton Brian (2) - sweetandcool, Bonatogether
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - ND
Bonatogether (1) - SpiritoftheRadio
Worcej (1) - ghug
Brainbomb (1) - Macca573
Rdrivera2005 (1) - DemonRHK

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VOTE COUNT 1.6

Hamilton Brian (4) - ghug, rdrivera2005, Bonatogether, JustAGuyNamedWill
dargorygel (3) - brainbomb, Kakarroto, damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) - ND, Hamilton Brian
Bonatogether (1) - SpiritoftheRadio
brainbomb (1) - Macca573
rdrivera2005 (1) - DemonRHK

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VOTE COUNT 1.7 CORRECTED

dargorygel (3) - brainbomb, Kakarroto, damo666
Hamilton Brian (2) - rdrivera2005, Bonatogether
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) - ND, Hamilton Brian
brainbomb (2) - Macca573, worcej
sweetandcool (1) - dargorygel
Bonatogether (1) - SpiritoftheRadio
rdrivera2005 (1) - DemonRHK

Unvoted (1) - Justaguynamedwill

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VOTE COUNT 1.8

brainbomb (3) - Macca573, worcej, JustAGuyNamedWill
worcej (3) - bozotheclown, damo666, brainbomb
Bonatogether (2) - SpiritoftheRadio, Hamilton Brian
dargorygel (2) - Kakarroto, rdrivera2005
rdrivera2005 (2) - DemonRHK, dargorygel
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - ND
Hamilton Brian (1) - Bonatogether

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FINAL VOTE COUNT

Bonatogether (6) - SpiritoftheRadio, Hamilton Brian, bozotheclown, brainbomb, damo666, JustAGuyNamedWill
dargorygel (2) - Kakarroto, rdrivera2005
brainbomb (2) - Macca573, worcej
rdrivera2005 (2) - DemonRHK, dargorygel
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) - ND
Hamilton Brian (1) - Bonatogether

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FINAL D2 VOTE COUNT:

brainbomb (8) - Macca573*, Vecna*, SpiritoftheRadio*, dargorygel*, JustAGuyNamedWill*, DemonRHK*, Hamilton Brian*, brainbomb*.


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what's interesting here is brains action between vote count 1.7 (corrected) and vote count 1.8; he stayed on darg until he was the sole leading wagon. Then he changed (after hopping a bit) to worcej. brain probably didn't even care that he got to be one of the leading wagons because of his item.

I think this is a very good example of brain bussing a teammate and then getting cold feet and voting somewhere else. He also didn't stick on worcej but went to lock in a miskill.

I wouldn't say that clears worcej since brain went away from him after all, but it gives worcej some town points. With his defensiveness after I voted him and brains behaviour I think darg is pretty much the best mafia candidate.

[ND]

Alright everyone. It’s time for a serious post. I apologize for the faux posts throughout the night and my deliberate misdirection.

I had initially hoped that I would be able to make it through the night, but I don’t think that is going to happen.

So, it’s time for some real talk.

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Keep reading…


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Will and Bozo

I made a serious mistake on Will. D1, I legitimately thought I caught a scum slip. My theory was based around him being new scum with Macca. This has been utterly discredited. While there is a remote possibility that Will is scum, it’s an increasingly outlandish proposal.

Granted he has made anti-town statements and played bad, but he is more likely than not to be town. I apologize for putting you through living hell Will. I hope you come back and play again. And, if you want to discuss the game or rules then I am more than happy to do that after this is all over with you.

The argument that I wrote about Will overnight was bullshit. Most of what I wrote overnight (N2) was bullshit, but I had to do it and it should be obvious by the end of this post why I had too. I couldn’t tip my hand given that the mafia are looking specifically for me. While the quotes Brain made about Will are true, I don’t read much into them. Will is likely town.

Night #1 Analysis

In my Night #1 analysis I seriously considered the prospect that Brain was mafia. I went back and forth about it several times and ultimately ended my discussion with, “I’m not going there yet.” (ND, 45) I can’t take credit for something I didn’t write, but I did seriously entertain the idea that he was scum. Water under the bridge. Brain fooled me.

I also considered the idea that Bozo was scum based on his play. I had been prepared to vote for him Day #2. He was the mafia N1 kill though and yeah. Wrong again.

There was absolutely mafia manipulation at EOD#1 though. We know Brain was on the Bona wagon, but I think he was the only member of the team on it. There is an outside chance that Damo666 or Spirit are mafia, but I highly doubt it. So why manipulate EOD1? Brain needed to kill town D1, his fake claim, pushing another wagon, everything was to save a member of the scumteam who was a secondary wagon. Why? Keep reading.

EOD#1 wasn’t the most chaotic affair that I have ever seen, but there was chaos. Brain influences it by starting up new wagons D1 and using his fake claim to try and get the town to rally around his target. He makes a fake claim and then pushes rdr (Brain, 39) and this is followed by Brainbomb switches his vote to Worcej after claiming, “of the options damo listed id choose worcej over will.” (Brain, 40) He pins it as Damo’s choice and drops rdr to go for Worcej. This likely clears both worcej and damo.

However, what about the other options? The other wagons at EOD#1 were:
-Brain(2): Macca, Worcej
-Dargorygel(2): Kakarroto, rdrivera2005
-Rdrivera2005(2): DemonRHK, dargorygel

Brain opts to start a new wagon on Worcej before pushing his town cred/claim in a chaotic moment to move over to Bona.

I don’t think that Brain busses in this situation. The mafia team is already down one player. Losing two players day #1 is catastrophic, but what if the mafia team was on the verge of losing three players day #1?

He also expressed concern that Venca wasn’t going to vote, “vecna may not even get in a vote at this rate.” (Brain, 40)

I’ll revisit this momentarily.

So, if the mafia team has four members and one of them is a secondary wagon then Brain has to make sure that town gets voted on Day 1. He can’t risk a secondary wagon filling with votes. The manipulation was to save the fourth member who is either darg or rdr If my theory is correct then losing another scum is catastrophic.

He makes his claim and steers the conversation to a town wagon. First to Worcej and second to Bona. He is critically damaged though because he knows his claim is going to get countered at some point, but he is willing to make the play to a) save a teammate and b) because of his item.

While possible mechanically, it just doesn’t make sense for the mafia team to have three members which I will explain shortly.

Brain made his play, but was damaged because of it. He says on Page 41, “macca was joke voting me and said they would change the vote also and they just never did lol.” (Brain, 41)

Now, again something I am going to revisit for a moment, but Brain is notorious for looking for crumbs and for observing patterns. He noted skepticism of Macca and I imagine he probably considered killing Macca N1. I imagine that both the people on Brain’s wagon were considered before they went with Bozo.

Why Bozo?

We do this on the assumption that Brainbomb actually looks for breadcrumbs. Something Bozo said must have been rated as highly important by Brainbomb. To the point where the scum team was willing to kill Bozo over a town clear (Hamilton). They had to hope that they would silence the player with the detective power and prevent information from getting out. After all, Brain fake claimed that he was the detective. If no one ever cced him then he potentially could ride the game out. Finding that person was of paramount importance.
The only thing I can find is on Page 39. Bozo says the following:
“Yes, but if he is fake claiming then we will find out eventually.”
“Although claiming the item the mafia would want to draw out is suspicious, or unlucky.”
“If someone else has the cop scan, we should know D2.”
(Bozo, 39)

During N1, Bozo says the following:
“The first part of this comes across as a pocketing attempt, but what I was saying that if someone else has the cop scan, they would likely use it N1 and report the scan D2.” (Bozo, 46)

Bozo spends a good amount of time talking about the cop scan. It had to be enough for them to prioritize a kill on Bozo. But, they were wrong. Brain got immediately countered by Macca and was forced to use the item D2. Brain succeeded in getting a town player killed D1, forcing the cop out, and wasting the D2 vote, but he had to sacrifice himself.

So, why fake a claim with an hour and a half left in the day on D1? Brain must have seen one of his teammates in trouble. He decided to try and save that player and knew that his item would guarantee him at least one extra day as a worst case outcome. He also, most likely feared that with Sweet dead and Vecna slated for a modkill that this game would come down to that mystery player.

Yes, Vecna is scum. I’ll explain shortly.

But, the mystery player or the fourth member of the scum team is one of the secondary wagons from D1. It was getting enough attention that Brain was forced to switch gears to try and get votes off it. Either Dargorygel or Rdr. I’ll give my speculation on this shortly.

Once the vote was decided, Brain knew that they had limited time. They were down Sweet and they had to hit the cop. They looked for the person who gave the most cop vibes and probably thought it was Bozo. Thus, the Bozo kill. As soon as Brain is countered by Macca then the scum pivots to plan B which was for Brain to waste the D2 vote through his item.

However, they had a little complication.

I doubt they foresaw this happening. I left no breadcrumbs to what item I had. So, what item is that? I had the swag bag and I am the town thief.

N1 I decided very early to visit Vecna. My reasoning was that since he was absent all D1 then he likely had an item available. If it was town aligned then I could clear him. If it wasn’t then he remained a suspect.

At the end of N1, he claims: “Im just gonna claim my item usage now. I have the repair kit..” (Vecna, 52)

He is on at the phase change because he was likely repairing his item N1 and prepared to use it asap as soon as the day started. The fact that Vecna didn’t immediately use the item could have been a tell to Brainbomb to claim that his item was stolen (instead of roleblocked) in an early effort to flush out the town thief.

I initially thought when I was reading the game that Vecna must be town, right? Brain makes his claim and then Vecna says, “how convenient.” (Vecna, 52)

Not so. Not by a long shot.

Vecna never counters Brain’s claim. He doesn’t even vote for Brain when Brain says that his item was stolen. After all, I stole Vecna’s item so why not counter? Instead he waits until Macca makes her statement that Brain scanned as evil and reveals that she is the town cop. Then Vecna votes for Brain while maintaining the illusion that he has a repaired gun. He states, “since we still have 2 vests unaccounted for im not shooting brainbomb btw. The way he’s baiting just feels like he’s hoping for a bullet.” (Vecna, 53)

He divorces himself from the situation and end votes Brainbomb. This results in a no vote D2. And Vecna retreats while allowing everyone to think he has the item, but Vecna doesn’t have the item.

Now, if my theory is correct and Vecna is scum along with Brainbomb and one mysterious individual then you bet your ass they are looking for the item thief tonight (N2).

If Vecna is scum then the entire mafia team knows that his repair kit was stolen. Thus, they have to find that person. That means they are not going to kill Hamilton or Macca. They are going to kill someone who has not revealed an item or usage. Just like with Bozo they are pouring through the text for any clue or hint about who could have had the swag bag and who may have suspected Vecna.

I suspect that Vecna suspects me of doing it. He is enraged at me on page 57 stating, “this is so fucking fake. Kill ND after brain.” (Vecna, 57) followed by, “In fact, fuck it, he’s getting a bullet.” (Vecna, 57) followed by, “brain, I can guarantee you noone will be saving ND, so in case he’s not scum, kindly kill him.” (Vecna, 57)

I have a feeling that Vecna is trying to draw me out with these posts. But, I was careful here. Maybe too careful. I continued to push my case on Will (which is bullshit) and I came up with some bullshit reads post on my phone. I haven’t changed my read on Vecna or even acknowledged him. I even hinted that I wasn’t on at EON either N1 or N2.

True, I didn’t initially catch Vecna’s post when he claimed the kit, but my hope is that they think that whoever did steal from Vecna must have been on at EON1. I had programmed that theft long before Vecna made a post about it.

Anyway, they are looking for the person with the kit. They probably think whoever has the gun(axe) was able to get it fixed D2. Unfortunately, I was not able to get it fixed D2. Funny enough, I was one minute late in sending in my order to Jamie. With my order to turn it into a gun being sent in a minute after the final end vote was cast. Thus, my order to fix it was delayed until N2.

Anyway, I would argue that Vecna trying to draw me out and the fact Brain is scum means that I’m dead. They are looking for clues, seeing who changes their read of Vecna, seeing who may tip their hand. I’ve avoided all of this, but that may be suspicious in itself.

Vecna’s push to end the night/hammer the night is also scum indicative and an effort to draw out the town thief. No one knows this except for me obviously. Why?

Because, if we did actually hammer the night then we give total initiative to the scum team. A post like this would not be possible if the night was hammered. A post like this is only possible with seconds before a firm EON deadline. If I posted this and the night didn’t immediately end then I would be a sitting duck and certainly killed by the mafia. Vecna’s push to end it is a way to mechanically silence me, but with 100% anonymous approval needed it was destined to fail. I made sure of it by not hammering.

Anyone who doesn’t publically say they are in favor of hammering the night will likely become a target. Hence the brilliance of Vecna’s ploy. They have to remove the player with the gun before it can be used. So, I played along but I didn’t hammer the night.

I had to have the night end at a known time so I could make this post in the event of my death. It’s the only way that the town can know what I know and while my death sets us back then at least you all have a fighting chance.

If Vecna is scum, which I highly suspect, then the scum have to RB and kill their target tonight. They are a) going for the item thief. Hamilton and Macca will not be killed. They are b) desperately attempting to make sure that the gun is not used. They c) have no way of knowing if the gun was repaired before D2 was hammered by the thief or if it wasn’t. Thus, they cannot take a risk of killing and rbing two different people. They have to combine their actions on one target. If d) they fail to find the thief then Brain’s entire gamble from D2 is undone. Thus it will be out of the question for them to kill a known clear with a spent item (Macca/Hamilton) or to split the rb/kill because they have to make sure that their best guess for the thief is eliminated and the gun if it was remade is not used.

Side Note and more Vecna Discussion
There is a possibility (not remote maybe 25%) that I am wrong. If Vecna is town then he could genuinely be trying to bait the mafia kill by maintaining the claim. We will know very shortly if I am right or wrong about him. If I am right and Vecna is scum then he will be alive at the start of D3. The mafia would not leave him alive under any condition. If he is town, he has maintained the claim and claims to have an active gun. Leaving him alive is nuts so they are forced to kill him tonight and he buys me time. If there is no kill N2 then maybe he was doc saved. So, in this case I’ll shoot Brainbomb.

He will be alive at the start of D3 though and someone (most likely me) will have been RBed and killed.
I don’t know how he will explain this away, but it’s honestly unexplainable for him to be alive and a total unknown (me) to be dead.

So, you all have to vote him up D4 and kill Vecna after Brain is voted D3.

The biggest threat to the mafia is a town player with a gun. At a bare minimum that player can take the easy shot and eliminate Brain which undoes his gamble D2. So, if I am right and they know that I am the thief then the gun will be gone with me, the swag bag is gone, the repair kit is gone. There is zero conceivable reason they would choose to kill me over a town Vecna when Vecna is claiming to have the gun. If Vecna is alive then he is scum. The N2 night hammer was a ploy to try and find the item thief. Vecna’s poking me was an attempt to draw me out and claim something. There is no reason they would leave Vecna alive with a gun and kill me N2. If Vecna is alive then he needs to be voted off.

The Final Scum Member

“@vecna is there any reason to wait? But probably shoot hunting rather than the one we know, and can get any time.” (Darg, 58)

“Sheeping ghuggles ##vote vecna” (Darg, 6)

“I am concerned about sweet’s attack on brain for meeta play. He stated that he was not the loudest opponent to brain’s meta. But yet here he seems to be. Sweet, who WAS the strongest opponent to brain’s meta usage? Vecna is town. ND is town. Ghug is annoying and therefore town. ##VOTE SWEET” (Darg, 18)

“I am staying on sweet.” (Darg, 31)

“I think Brain is town.” (Darg, 31)

“My sweet read goes back to game discussions over some time.” (Darg, 31)

“My gut simply pounts me to rdr.” (Darg 37)

“Protection? ##vote brain.” (Darg, 37)

“Not sure I believe him et. But this is a PR claim. ##vote rdr” (Darg, 39)

Darg is the final member of the scum team. He is the mysterious fourth entity on their team. The man who was protected by Brain during the EOD voting D1. With Sweet dead and Vecna slated for a modkill then Brain had no choice, but to try and save Darg. Darg was facing pressure. A flash wagon could have developed on him. So, Brain in typical brain fashion made a big play with the hopes of salvaging a floundering scum game. He succeeded in diverting attention from Darg and onto other wagons, but sacrificed himself to do it.

Darg likely shot ghug.

Darg had suspicious reasons for voting Sweet. They were half baked. Reasons that were always questioned by me. Those reasons now reek of bussing attempts giving Sweet’s flip. Darg didn’t consolidate on the Bona wagon with Brain, but he did move his vote to rdr which had no hopes of taking off by page 39.

The bona wagon was influenced by Brain in an attempt to prevent a secondary wagon on Darg from developing.

In the overnight hours, we see Darg playing a careful game. Yet, instead of advocating a shot on a clear scum target who is a known entity he instead advocates for Vecna to just take a shot in the dark ‘hunting.’ (Darg, 58) Now, when Darg writes this on page 58, if he and Vecna are scum, then he knows Vecna doesn’t have the gun. So, why say this? I don’t really know. It could be that it is an attempt to flush out the person with the gun or perhaps if the person with the gun is reading Darg as town then maybe trying to plant the idea to kill someone other than Brain. Contrast this with Rdr who was the other secondary scum wagon D1, rdr states, “Nope, if you are town use your bullet on Brain. Having another void day is pretty bad for town.” I would say this is very pro-town.

There is an outside chance rdr is scum and darg is just playing a bad game as town. But, I think giving the amount of evidence throughout the game and Darg’s connections especially with Sweet then the best candidate for scum is Darg. If Darg isn’t scum then it’s either Rdr or maybe just wrong.

Closing Thoughts

If I make it through the night then I am going to kill Vecna after the start of the day. If Vecna is the N2 kill and is town then I am going to kill Brainbomb. If there is no kill N2 then I am going to kill Brainbomb at a specific time which I will call out before it happens.

If I die then the town needs to vote the following people: 1) Brainbomb -eliminate the known threat esp now that he has used his item, 2) Vecna -his survival should be all you need to vote him, but either way don’t let him worm his way out of it. Take him out D4. 3) Darg -he should be the D5 vote and if he flips town then rdr or reevaluate.

Anyway,

Hope I make it, but if I don’t then it has been fun and I wanted to thank Jamie for running a fun Halloween game.

(sorry again Will)

[Kakarroto]

-) I've received something I want to share but will wait shortly until EoN for that, just in case (meaning there is another town clear mafia don't know of).

Well, I was thinking of posting the full message or just what the message intended me to do, that I 'received a card from BHiwar', and I could think of one or two things what this code was, but I didn't check it since I know who send me this, but reveiling the name right now would just paint a target and I pretty much think it's meant to be to clear the sender of the card on a later date.

So I came to the conclusion that I put both in, the text (which I checked with jamie am allowed to share the words I was send, though not the part that jamie send me because of rules) of the card sender and (as above), so I hope I did the right thing.

The part of the message I'm allowed to share is: "Please post that BHiwar sent you a Greetings Card"

[Kakarroto]

Alright, where to begin ...

Naturally at the message I received. I'm not telling here who send it to me right now, but I think there is a hint in the message, but I guess some key is needed to get the code.

Clearly, I'm not a professional codecracker, but I have some ideas what it could mean. I'll however not share it at this point.

Eventually, I think, this will lead to a town clear, so big kudos for coming up with this great idea with the code.

VVhich brings me to another topic; I know I haven't done much yet, but I had much to do at work and with the flip of sweet the confidence in my reads didn't grow. So I wanted to get a little reset, also this night into night thing isn't the best for engagement.

This is why I was so larifari. With the holiday I should fare better, though to be honest, I feel a bit sleepy since the last days, but I try my best.

Considering how it looks like with our cleared people, I think we are on the right course. I hope by not directly revealing and only putting the message with code (by the way, I checked with jamie, I am allowed to copy&paste that part of the message, before anyone cries about it) we can drag it out longer so we have a town clear in the end stage.

Everytime I think about it, we should have enough items and actions to clear people, so if we don't make a mistake, we're pretty set to win this game.

This brings me back to the darg thing, where he went so defensive after I've voted him. I really, really didn't like that reaction of his.

Originally I was just testing some waters, since everyone seemed to overlook darg. I didn't notice that brain had voted him before, I have to say, I first thought only I voted him. Kinda telling that he didn't react to brain but my vote. He was probably sure that brain would go away from him after a while.

RHK is another topic which linked with darg. He was very protective of darg, like a watch dog I might say. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but it is suspicious in my eyes.

Probably at least one of both is likely mafia; I think the brain connection of darg is pretty strong, so I'd give the edge to darg over RHK. He might be just a town that misread mafia afterall.

Likely, however, is that both are mafia. So when darg flips mafia and the game doesn't end, go to RHK next. If he claims certain items, be very, very wary of it though. If he can't back it up, we shouldn't hesitate to go for him.

Lastly, if I'm wrong (as I've proven I'm more than capable of, just see to sweet and the 'townslip' I saw) and both are actually town, than you two should have a look again and refocus, because I'm pretty sure that your focus is totally wrong in this game right now.

I think a little refocussing can help us all, since that double night was pretty draining. I hope we wont come to a similar standstill again.

[Kakarroto]

so, posting thoughts for people without involuntarily revealing who did send me the card is a bit dicey. I have however given out information about some people already. I came to the conclusion the best is to more or less do a "group read" and make it vague so mafia can't guess easily who is towncleared. I will however point the ones I think have a greater potential of being mafia.

Brainbomb - his actions with posting those textes pretty much outed him as mafia. If he flips town this game, I think I just give up on reads or let myself be substituted because I can't read for the love of love.

darg - pretty sure he is another mafia with his connections to brain, as mentioned in my previous post with my vote thoughts. His reactions to my vote were too defensive in my opinion. So after brain flips mafia (if not send me to the monastary or something), we should vote out darg.

DemonRHK - if the game doesn't end after brain and darg flipped (and I was right), then I think RHK has the best chance of being the fourth mafia. He jumped in to defend darg right when darg gained momentum. I mean sure, could be just a town trying to defend a town read, but so early in the game, it just doesn't feel right.

I had two more who I think have higher chances of being mafia, but I decided not too point them out in favour of increasing the hiding space for the greeting card sender. So then, have here a list of people* in order of signing up (see page 1) I think are pretty town or town enough for the moment:

Worcej, ND, JustAGuyNamedWill, Damo666, Vecna, Rdrivera2005, SpiritoftheRadio

Also, these two are pretty much town cleared; I think there is a very tiny, rather miniscule mathematical chance that Brian might not be the one using the axe on sweet, but with Occam's razor, that's neglectable. Though, if it comes to the final three and he is still alive, I thinks it's healthy to doubt Brian then. Until that comes, those two should be just towncleared:

Hamilton Brian, Macca573

[Jamiet99uk]

PHASE HAS ENDED
PLEASE TO BE HOLDING

[Hamilton Brian]

Look at the timeframe between Sweet shot and ghug shot. Your tracks are in there.

[Jamiet99uk]

I SAID PLEASE HOLD

[Jamiet99uk]

Another storm raged outside the toyshop, for what seemed like a very long time.

It was still almost pitch black as Old Man Jeffrey stood at the door, fumbling with his keys in the damp, dark air.

"Damn these autumn mornings," he grumbled. "So gloomy. I'll be glad when Halloween is passed, and the Christmas shopping really starts. Folks only buy cheap gimmicks at Halloween..."

Finally he found the right key and opened the door. Taking a step inside, he stopped as he felt an unexpected plastic part under his foot. More pieces of damaged plastic were strewn over the hardwood floor.

"Now what in tarnation happened here?" He surveyed the mess. "Poltergeist? Nahhh, I don't believe in no ghost! Hope it ain't goddamn rodents again...

"Never sold one of these anyway. Whoever heard of Barbie dating a space-man?" He muttered to himself as he picked up the mess.

Dargorygel has died. He was ASTRONAUT KEN, a Nice Toy.

DAY HAS STARTED
YOU MAY POST

[ND]

I'm killing vecna now

[TheMadMonarch]

Another storm raged outside the toyshop, for what seemed like a very long time.

It was still almost pitch black as Old Man Jeffrey stood at the door, fumbling with his keys in the damp, dark air.

"Damn these autumn mornings," he grumbled. "So gloomy. I'll be glad when Halloween is passed, and the Christmas shopping really starts. Folks only buy cheap gimmicks at Halloween..."

Finally he found the right key and opened the door. Taking a step inside, he stopped as he felt an unexpected plastic part under his foot. More pieces of damaged plastic were strewn over the hardwood floor.

"Now what in tarnation happened here?" He surveyed the mess. "Poltergeist? Nahhh, I don't believe in no ghost! Hope it ain't goddamn rodents again...

"Never sold one of these anyway. Whoever heard of Barbie dating a space-man?" He muttered to himself as he picked up the mess.

Dargorygel has died. He was ASTRONAUT KEN, a Nice Toy.

DAY HAS STARTED
YOU MAY POST

What? Why?

[TheMadMonarch]

##vote brainbomb