MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Not true. On page 52 I stated that brainbomb was my #1 read.

“Brainbomb: 75% chance or being mafia”

Is this to protect darg? Or incriminate yourself?

Kind of both. I do believe darg is mafia, but it is incorrect that only he had a correct read on brainbomb. I just don’t think having a CORRECT scum read on someone should incriminate you.? It doesn’t make sense. Other than that your case on darg is holding up well.

Plus, if I agreed with you then I should be held just as suspicious as darg in this case. and since I am not a mafia, I cannot.

[brainbomb]

From the Maf QT

Hamilton: Would anyone care to do some micro dosing?

Will: No but this ND guy is a real ding dong. is he ever gonna give it a rest?

Dargorygel (drives up on a tractor drawn by pegasus).:
Top of the morning lads.

Hamilton: Hey cool tractor darg. wanna do some narcotics with me?

Dargorygel: No. Im afraid that I must plow the fields, administer justice, and study the mystic ways of brainbomb today

Will: Will you divulge your findings? WILL you?

Dargo: Aye. I WILL not

[damo666]

Well that pretty much clears Ham Will and Darg!

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE:

It doesn't appear Night is being hammered. I will be unavailable for the next 4 - 5 hours in any case.

[damo666]

Zzzzz!

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

From the Maf QT

Hamilton: Would anyone care to do some micro dosing?

Will: No but this ND guy is a real ding dong. is he ever gonna give it a rest?

Dargorygel (drives up on a tractor drawn by pegasus).:
Top of the morning lads.

Hamilton: Hey cool tractor darg. wanna do some narcotics with me?

Dargorygel: No. Im afraid that I must plow the fields, administer justice, and study the mystic ways of brainbomb today

Will: Will you divulge your findings? WILL you?

Dargo: Aye. I WILL not

Factually incorrect. I would never share my narcotics.

[brainbomb]

okay so its time to be honest.

I am actually town, and I used this prolonged time to gather info and adjust my reads. I will post these reads soon when I have them edited and fixed.

But suffice it to say, I saw day 1 that wagons were forming on me and I claimed like usual to get people to leave me alone.

I knew macca was probably the cop at that point anyway so I didnt think they would mind me roleswapping to cover for them. Also I knew that in faking my role, even if it got me killed, my item would prevent my death so no harm was really done.

Apologies for upsetting my fellow townsfolk but it should be pretty obvious that this is just routine bb and mistakes were made.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

okay so its time to be honest.

I am actually town, and I used this prolonged time to gather info and adjust my reads. I will post these reads soon when I have them edited and fixed.

But suffice it to say, I saw day 1 that wagons were forming on me and I claimed like usual to get people to leave me alone.

I knew macca was probably the cop at that point anyway so I didnt think they would mind me roleswapping to cover for them. Also I knew that in faking my role, even if it got me killed, my item would prevent my death so no harm was really done.

Apologies for upsetting my fellow townsfolk but it should be pretty obvious that this is just routine bb and mistakes were made.

Guys you know that bloody knife I was holding next to the carcass? Well I was just examining it is all! I was assessing the situation. How could you believe I am guilty when I was clearly helping?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

okay so its time to be honest.

I am actually town, and I used this prolonged time to gather info and adjust my reads. I will post these reads soon when I have them edited and fixed.

But suffice it to say, I saw day 1 that wagons were forming on me and I claimed like usual to get people to leave me alone.

I knew macca was probably the cop at that point anyway so I didnt think they would mind me roleswapping to cover for them. Also I knew that in faking my role, even if it got me killed, my item would prevent my death so no harm was really done.

Apologies for upsetting my fellow townsfolk but it should be pretty obvious that this is just routine bb and mistakes were made.

How do you explain Macca using the cop kit on you and saying you were evil? Do you accuse Macca of being mafia?

[Hamilton Brian]

Regardless of what brain says, they are person non grata. I think they need to be the guaranteed kill for D3. I was thinking best course of action is keep them around as mafia but we need to eliminate the distraction and the headgames.

I sincerely hope that Vecna uses the shot before night ends. We don't want to guarantee that death without the benefit of using the item.

That's assuming Vecna does have the claimed item. Problem is it is not an alignment item.

Only factor keeping macca clear to me is the lack of a cc.

Rivera, JustAWIll, Spirit, worcej...there's some confessing that needs to be happening.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Regardless of what brain says, they are person non grata. I think they need to be the guaranteed kill for D3. I was thinking best course of action is keep them around as mafia but we need to eliminate the distraction and the headgames.

I sincerely hope that Vecna uses the shot before night ends. We don't want to guarantee that death without the benefit of using the item.

That's assuming Vecna does have the claimed item. Problem is it is not an alignment item.

Only factor keeping macca clear to me is the lack of a cc.

Rivera, JustAWIll, Spirit, worcej...there's some confessing that needs to be happening.

Shoot. Ask away Mr. Brian

[brainbomb]

good point, macca maybe read the pm wrong

[dargorygel]

@brain

what did you learn from your 'experiment?'

why reveal NOW. ie maybe after EoN instead of in the middle like this?

[brainbomb]

@brain

what did you learn from your 'experiment?'

why reveal NOW. ie maybe after EoN instead of in the middle like this?

I have learned so many things Stu

[brainbomb]

1. Sweetandcool Dead Scum, probably scheduled a kill on ghug

2. Bonatogether Dead Town, probably scheduled a kill on Sweet

3. Brainbomb - Still alive. Still cluckin. very town

4. Worcej - Still alive. not alot of cluckin.

5. ghug - Got axe murdered. Not sure by who but thanks.

6. ND - Still hatin. still alive. lots of cluckin, overall play, mostly suckin'

7. JustAGuyNamedWill - still new. still cluckin.

8. Hamilton Brian - still cluckin, towncleared

9. Damo666 - still cluckin, probably gonna get eliminated, regardless of align

10. Vecna - nils holgersson

11. DemonRHK - legit forgot he was even in this game. not cluckin. check pulse

12. darg - still farmin'

13. Rdrivera2005 - still cluckin

14. bozotheclown - pretty dead. I killed him, sorry boz. probably had a townclearing item on him

15. SpiritoftheRadio - still cluckin, still rushin, not russian but todays tom sawyer, without the mean pride

16. Kakarroto - still making soliloquoys and ethereal stuff. lots of cluckin when he isnt hiding

17. Macca573 - faked a guilty on me, but plenty of cluckin

[brainbomb]

I recommend killing among the people clucking, or by extension not clucking.

[brainbomb]

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mommy I think they dont wanna be associated with me.

[brainbomb]

yall probably shouldve hunted today and actually played. as bad as my team is we may win because you wasted the day. kinda nice actually

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Here are some deeper reads for you all before end of night *kisses*

brainbomb - scum, we kill, he die

damo666 - slight scum. His play has been bothering me from the beginning because he was just slapping votes on people and creating noise. And has said such wonderous statements as "I drew scum before the reroll, tad disappointed, I prefer being scum." which you could say as town, but like man, that gives me weird vibes. The more concrete things I see is his vote on bona came in right when that wagon came to compete with brain's wagon on day 1. He says he did it to protect a town only item claim, but then moves immediately onto ND to see if that'll work after bozo suggests it and says he will move anywhere to save brain to bozo. I get this could be him trying to save a town-only item claim, but in retrospect, he jumped around and tried harder than anyone besides maybe HB.

dargorygel - lean town, his "tell" on brain was very scummy sounding at the beginning, but given how things with brain have shaken out, I kind of feel like even an experienced mafia wouldn't operate like that against a fellow mafia. It could be an elaborate trick, and darg seems capable of such an act, but if I was a brainbomb and got done dirty like that, I'd be pissed. We see a mostly joyous BB in chat rn. I dont buy his stories about mafia wanting him dead, if this were true, he'd want darg dead. I don't think scum does that to scum logically unless this metagame has devolved to the point where fucking over your scum buddy for minor town clout is now an expert play.

DemonRHK - Null, but a decent lynch target all the same. Hasn't engaged due to computer problems, hopped on rdr before it became a wagon day one, was happy to go along with obvious brain kill day 2. That is all we have. Do something pls. I think there is a chance he could be disengaged scum but really I have no idea, town could lose him and lose little at this point though.

Hamilton Brian + Macca - Town until late game, but then we need to reevaluate. So I want to bring up some stuff that might get me scum read by some, but is objectively true. Neither of these two are true town clears, and there is a logical reason for both to be mafia (though maybe probabilistically unlikely).

HB could have been mafia with sweet. They were top wagons, and Hb could have believed that shooting sweet would town clear himself and lose one mafia member that was likely already going to be lost anyway (essentially sacrificing a gun for town clear status, a good trade logically for mafia).

Macca claimed detective kit after brain did and fairly early on day 2. However, it isnt implausible that mafia used this as a gambit to gain one of them as a town clear. I think macca was decently widely scum read prior to her reveal, and they could have looked at this as a way to permaclear her. I find it strange she used the detective kit on brainbomb since her counter claim would have been enough to get him immediately lynched on its own and we could have gotten another mafia or another town clear if she'd have chosen a different target (this is probably the most powerful item in the set up after all). As town, I dont think her choice here makes any sense, if she found out brain was town, she and him would probably be scum read more than town read, and in the case where she found a scum BB, the same result would happen if she had just counter claimed him. This could be chalked up to new player not knowing how to optimize the play (and I think people have said Macca is new), but the presence of BB on the mafia team along with a new player and their ability to talk together N1 leads me to believe he could have orchestrated this play in the mafia QT.

I don't think either of them should be killed right now, but I do think they need to be looked at with great skepticism in the late game. Please do not forget this if I die, too many people are assuming they're clear. They are NOT.

JustAGuyNamedWill - Town. Still a strong town read for me. Way too at ease with himself for a newb being tunneled as intensely as he is. Says way too many newbie town ideas that are actually bad play for his own good. I see the temptation to kill him for this, but he is the plutonic ideal of new townie. You just don't get this kind of thing very often, a true marvel of social deduction science.

Kakarroto - slight scum. I feel like his posts are kind of larpy and just give me weird vibes. Hard to find things in particular to point out, this is mostly on vibes but the leading folks towards voting end and the handling of that stuck me as off.

ND - null. So ND is tunnelling massively and keeps calling people town clear when they arent. I was town reading him for most of the game because townies often tunnel a lot but I also think at a certain point you have to realize that and give it up when you actually dont know anything. Staying on one person the whole game that you know you wont get any real traction with isnt the worst way to hide as mafia, and I dont really know what ND does as scum, so I am leaning null but my read is getting progressively scummy since he keeps doing really odd things like painting me as scum for having a productive convo with bozo with whom he was tunneling before he flipped. Just a lot of odd behavior.

rdrivera2005 + vecna - slight scum (team?), so rdr said almost nothing and I was pretty skeptical of his wagon on day 1 near the end. He had a genuine seeming reasponse to it, and after all it was a dumb wagon then. I do think several of the things he has said during the night ping me as off. I'm not really seeing why he pushes darg day 1 other than to counter his own wagon. He jumps off vecna's post about killing ND after brain and says it is a good idea with neither of them saying why and then vecna coming back and saying that rdr is ALSO a good scum candidate is odd. There is also vecna defending rdr once "It would be pretty uncharacteristic for Rdr to hard-protect his teammate at this early stage as well." which I assume was in reference to rdr town reading me, kak and macca. Idk I get strange low effort scum vibes from these two. I am interested to see what vecna does with his shot here, and I don't want to move on him at all until we see how that turns out, but I don't hate these two as a scum team since that interactions was pretty odd. None of rdr's reads have been particularly helpful or insightful, seems to have reasoning he isnt telling and that always strikes me as scummy until proven otherwise.

worcej - null, maybe scum? He as done so little but bulleyed a couple of mafia (sweet and brain) in pretty short time. Normally I would town read that but like, it almost seems a little too lucky? I don't know about this guy, his votes on sweet and brain were both their 2nd votes at the beginnings of their wagons. This could be bussing or it is dumb luck, I'm guessing. Maybe Worcej is really good at pegging people as scum but also from his posts idk if he has even been reading all the posts and my read is he is just reading a few and firing from the hip. Even he seems impressed with himself. Idk, I wanna see more posts and what he does as mafia lose more and bussing becomes less appealing as a strategy.